Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* (Off-Topic)
I'm not sure I can adequately, but I'll give it a shot. So... it's well established at this point that the structure of Starwars is the classic heroes journey. Thus it needs to be abundantly clear to the audience the W's (and how) of a before and after of the journey. While there is forgiveness in this, if there is not a direct focus on those aspects, and they are glazed over as some sort of side effect, then the Starwars story becomes watered down.
In this one, it felt particularly watered down, but not because necessarily it lacked the hero's journey, but because it rarely seemed to focus on it. This movie seems too into its blatant attempts of "Oh-Ha-HA! Got Cha!", and as a result the feel of the whole is disjointed. Yet I don't know if it's the edit or what, and thus I'm curious how it would feel if I edited it to minimize this effect, which ONLY TRULY WORKS ONCE, if it would improve how this movie feels to me.
The hero's journey is both not precisely defined, but also not the only way to tell stories. Who says Star Wars has to be that? I think this is the baggage that you are taking in to the experience. Not everything has to fit this mold that you lay down. Dude, Star Wars itself didn't fit the true hero's journey mold. Luke "refused the call" for all of 20 seconds of screen time.
The hero's journey is not a blueprint - it's just a simplification of dramatic structures that have been working in story since antiquity.
I think the film makes the before and after crystal clear for each character. The entire theme of the movie is contingent upon the notion that "Heroes" and "Legends" are misguided concepts. That a rebellion is built on normal folks. That the force is in everything. The fact that it's not a Hero's Journey is 100% the whole point of the film. Forget the past. Let it die. But move forward!
It feels like they should have cut short the Rose/Poe Storyline, which I should add seems to be an almost universal agreement among fan reviews, and elaborated more on what happened at Lukes School. We see only the results and why, but not how it got to such a point. Endings only earn their payoff, it is not given. Even then with what if given, the way it was presented felt muddy to me. Of course... I couldn't completely do it proper and fix it all with an edit. The little I could to would require to get clever and use footage from The Force Awakens, the relevant deleted scene(s) if any and have some voice in the background. If only they chose to take the time and SHOW not TELL. THAT should have been a MAIN story point. It's SO frustrating that the Director or whoever said "Let's focus on this new Rose character suddenly falling in love with Poe during a mostly pointless adventure and not LUKE SKYWALKER AND BEN SOLO! No one want's to hear THAT story and we hate money."
I'm not saying that subplot was handled perfectly, but it absolutely fits into the theme. The tweet I replied to Vortech with is so true. And the subplot shows you the nameless 'nobody's' that are casualties of this war, who have within them the goodness to make the world better. It's not just about Heroes! It's about us all. Working together.
Complete thread:
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-14, 18:33
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - ZackDark, 2017-12-14, 19:21
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *more SPOILERS* -
marmot 1333,
2017-12-14, 21:04
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *more SPOILERS* -
ZackDark,
2017-12-14, 21:12
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *more SPOILERS* - breitzen, 2017-12-14, 21:43
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *more SPOILERS* -
ZackDark,
2017-12-14, 21:12
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - breitzen, 2017-12-14, 21:46
- Seeing it at 10 AM tomorrow. Someone ruin the movie for me. - Funkmon, 2017-12-14, 22:20
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-14, 23:15
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
TheeChaos,
2017-12-15, 05:42
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - breitzen, 2017-12-15, 06:53
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-15, 08:03
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
breitzen,
2017-12-15, 08:12
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - INSANEdrive, 2017-12-15, 09:08
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-12-15, 09:11
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
breitzen,
2017-12-15, 09:24
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - EffortlessFury, 2017-12-15, 10:03
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
marmot 1333,
2017-12-15, 10:52
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - breitzen, 2017-12-15, 11:11
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
breitzen,
2017-12-15, 09:24
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
CrazedOne,
2017-12-15, 15:01
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - INSANEdrive, 2017-12-15, 15:50
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - Vortech, 2017-12-17, 06:30
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
breitzen,
2017-12-15, 08:12
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-16, 21:53
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-16, 22:41
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-17, 09:29
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-17, 12:34
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-17, 14:03
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-17, 14:43
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - Cody Miller, 2017-12-17, 15:07
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-17, 14:43
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-17, 14:03
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-17, 12:34
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-17, 09:29
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Funkmon,
2017-12-17, 01:13
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Vortech,
2017-12-17, 07:22
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - Cody Miller, 2017-12-17, 08:58
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-17, 08:54
- BAH -
Funkmon,
2017-12-17, 20:32
- BAH - cheapLEY, 2017-12-18, 06:44
- BAH -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-18, 12:55
- Give me examples and why they're bad -
Funkmon,
2017-12-18, 13:19
- Give me examples and why they're bad -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-18, 13:55
- Give me examples and why they're bad -
Vortech,
2017-12-18, 14:01
- Give me examples and why they're bad - Cody Miller, 2017-12-18, 15:31
- Give me examples and why they're bad -
Ragashingo,
2017-12-18, 14:35
- Give me examples and why they're bad -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-18, 15:29
- Only a Sith deal in absolutes. -
Ragashingo,
2017-12-18, 17:36
- Only a Sith deal in absolutes. - Cody Miller, 2017-12-18, 17:47
- Only a Sith deal in absolutes. -
Ragashingo,
2017-12-18, 17:36
- Give me examples and why they're bad -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-18, 15:29
- :/ - Funkmon, 2017-12-18, 15:03
- Give me examples and why they're bad -
Vortech,
2017-12-18, 14:01
- Give me examples and why they're bad -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-18, 13:55
- BAH *spoilers* -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-12-18, 13:51
- BAH *spoilers* -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-18, 13:58
- BAH *spoilers* -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-12-18, 14:22
- BAH *spoilers* - Cody Miller, 2017-12-18, 15:27
- BAH *spoilers* - Avateur, 2017-12-18, 18:41
- BAH *spoilers* - Kermit, 2017-12-18, 18:55
- BAH *spoilers* -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-12-18, 14:22
- BAH *spoilers* -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-18, 13:58
- Give me examples and why they're bad -
Funkmon,
2017-12-18, 13:19
- BAH -
Funkmon,
2017-12-17, 20:32
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Vortech,
2017-12-17, 07:22
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-16, 22:41
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
TheeChaos,
2017-12-15, 05:42
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
squidnh3,
2017-12-15, 08:26
- This. -
Kermit,
2017-12-19, 08:11
- This. - dogcow, 2017-12-19, 08:39
- This. -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-19, 10:31
- This. - ManKitten, 2017-12-19, 11:03
- Do what I say, not what I do. - Funkmon, 2017-12-19, 11:19
- This. -
Kermit,
2017-12-19, 13:19
- Some cookies are better than others, for sure. - dogcow, 2017-12-19, 13:28
- Second viewing required. -
Harmanimus,
2017-12-19, 14:03
- Hmm... interesting... - Anton P. Nym (aka Steve), 2017-12-19, 14:42
- After a second viewing - Cody Miller, 2017-12-19, 17:29
- This. - Cody Miller, 2017-12-19, 17:01
- This. -
Anton P. Nym (aka Steve),
2017-12-19, 13:54
- This. - ManKitten, 2017-12-19, 14:35
- This. -
Kermit,
2017-12-19, 08:11
- Loved it! - SonofMacPhisto, 2017-12-15, 09:59
- ENDING HERE! -
Morpheus,
2017-12-15, 12:38
- canon -
marmot 1333,
2017-12-15, 14:25
- Guess they killed off the radio series as canon then. :(. -
Funkmon,
2017-12-15, 19:39
- "Legends" - INSANEdrive, 2017-12-15, 19:45
- Guess they killed off the radio series as canon then. :(. -
Funkmon,
2017-12-15, 19:39
- canon -
marmot 1333,
2017-12-15, 14:25
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Avateur,
2017-12-15, 18:02
- Yeah, this one is my Halo: Reach. - Funkmon, 2017-12-15, 19:47
- I need an expert in apologetics! -
Funkmon,
2017-12-15, 19:47
- I need an expert in apologetics! - ZackDark, 2017-12-15, 22:50
- I need an expert in apologetics! -
Vortech,
2017-12-17, 07:18
- I need an expert in apologetics! - Funkmon, 2017-12-17, 23:48
- Kind of a Mess IMO -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-16, 01:44
- Set up a new subdomain. -
Funkmon,
2017-12-16, 03:16
- Set up a new subdomain. -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-16, 11:38
- It is for me. - Funkmon, 2017-12-16, 14:49
- Set up a new subdomain. -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-16, 11:38
- Kind of a Mess IMO -
breitzen,
2017-12-16, 05:50
- Kind of a Mess IMO -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-16, 09:18
- Kind of a Mess IMO - breitzen, 2017-12-16, 11:18
- Have you met Cody Miller before? - Funkmon, 2017-12-16, 11:31
- Kind of a Mess IMO -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-16, 09:18
- But did you enjoy it? - Avateur, 2017-12-16, 07:03
- Set up a new subdomain. -
Funkmon,
2017-12-16, 03:16
- Absolutely loved it - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-12-16, 08:47
- Loved it. - yakaman, 2017-12-16, 12:40
- Can’t wait to see it again. And again! - Oholiab, 2017-12-16, 17:58
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Vortech,
2017-12-17, 07:17
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-17, 09:01
- I await your writeup -
Vortech,
2017-12-17, 09:52
- I await your writeup -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-17, 11:41
- I await your writeup -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-17, 12:37
- I await your writeup - breitzen, 2017-12-17, 13:49
- I await your writeup -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-17, 14:06
- I was holding myself here but I can't anymore -
ZackDark,
2017-12-17, 16:20
- I was holding myself here but I can't anymore -
Avateur,
2017-12-17, 17:18
- I was holding myself here but I can't anymore -
CrazedOne,
2017-12-17, 17:21
- I was holding myself here but I can't anymore - ZackDark, 2017-12-17, 18:21
- I was holding myself here but I can't anymore -
CrazedOne,
2017-12-17, 17:21
- I was holding myself here but I can't anymore -
Avateur,
2017-12-17, 17:18
- I was holding myself here but I can't anymore -
ZackDark,
2017-12-17, 16:20
- I await your writeup - Vortech, 2017-12-17, 14:23
- I await your writeup -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-17, 12:37
- I await your writeup -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-17, 11:41
- I await your writeup -
Vortech,
2017-12-17, 09:52
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
CougRon,
2017-12-17, 15:14
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - Avateur, 2017-12-17, 17:08
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-17, 09:01
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
ManKitten,
2017-12-17, 17:36
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Ragashingo,
2017-12-17, 17:52
- +1 - Avateur, 2017-12-17, 18:39
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
ManKitten,
2017-12-17, 20:56
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Funkmon,
2017-12-18, 00:04
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - ManKitten, 2017-12-18, 06:33
- +1 - cheapLEY, 2017-12-18, 06:35
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Ragashingo,
2017-12-18, 06:48
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Avateur,
2017-12-18, 19:10
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
cheapLEY,
2017-12-18, 21:25
- ^ - Funkmon, 2017-12-18, 23:03
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Avateur,
2017-12-19, 05:37
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
cheapLEY,
2017-12-19, 06:06
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
breitzen,
2017-12-19, 06:13
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - Cody Miller, 2017-12-19, 12:06
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - Vortech, 2017-12-20, 13:44
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
breitzen,
2017-12-19, 06:13
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
cheapLEY,
2017-12-19, 06:06
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
cheapLEY,
2017-12-18, 21:25
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Avateur,
2017-12-18, 19:10
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Funkmon,
2017-12-18, 00:04
- Funny Story -
squidnh3,
2017-12-18, 14:16
- LOL - Funkmon, 2017-12-18, 15:05
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Ragashingo,
2017-12-17, 17:52
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Anton P. Nym (aka Steve),
2017-12-17, 20:37
- Steve cheers: "I'm certainly not raving-angry"! -
Vortech,
2017-12-20, 13:46
- It's a slow burn movie - Anton P. Nym (aka Steve), 2017-12-20, 14:58
- Steve cheers: "I'm certainly not raving-angry"! -
Vortech,
2017-12-20, 13:46
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
Claude Errera,
2017-12-18, 09:06
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) - Cody Miller, 2017-12-18, 10:03
- Don't feel bad - Funkmon, 2017-12-18, 11:07
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
Kermit,
2017-12-18, 16:39
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-18, 17:36
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-18, 17:47
- Yea. I know. There was more. Dominos. - INSANEdrive, 2017-12-18, 17:52
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
ManKitten,
2017-12-19, 06:25
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
breitzen,
2017-12-19, 06:32
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
ZackDark,
2017-12-19, 07:53
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
ManKitten,
2017-12-19, 08:31
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) - Vortech, 2017-12-20, 17:00
- I was thinking about that. - Funkmon, 2017-12-19, 09:10
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
ManKitten,
2017-12-19, 08:31
- That'd eat into the Canto Bight folks' profits, wouldn't it? - Anton P. Nym (aka Steve), 2017-12-19, 13:58
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
ZackDark,
2017-12-19, 07:53
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
breitzen,
2017-12-19, 06:32
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-18, 17:47
- I slept through parts of it. (yes, real *SP*) -
Vortech,
2017-12-20, 16:58
- I slept through parts of it. (yes, real *SP*) - Kermit, 2017-12-20, 17:54
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-18, 17:36
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* (Ratings) -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-18, 14:06
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* (Ratings) - ManKitten, 2017-12-18, 14:53
- Related - Funkmon, 2017-12-18, 15:13
- Caution: there's evidence of botting in those user ratings. -
Anton P. Nym (aka Steve),
2017-12-18, 16:18
- So it seems. - INSANEdrive, 2017-12-19, 19:20
- I quite liked it. - cheapLEY, 2017-12-18, 21:17
- Two pieces sum up my feelings on The Last Jedi pretty well -
SonofMacPhisto,
2017-12-19, 17:40
- Agree with both articles - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-12-19, 18:10
- Interesting stuff. - Anton P. Nym (aka Steve), 2017-12-19, 19:36
- Ugh. - Kermit, 2017-12-20, 18:30
- I hear the Jedi have a chat app now -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-19, 20:23
- I hear the Jedi have a chat app now - Avateur, 2017-12-19, 21:27
- Dunno; I hear it can be a vector for malware. - Anton P. Nym (aka Steve), 2017-12-20, 05:09
- This pretty much summerises... -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-19, 20:56
- This pretty much summerises... - Avateur, 2017-12-19, 21:33
- The Last Jedi, second viewing. *SP* - cheapLEY, 2018-01-07, 19:13