BAH *spoilers* (Off-Topic)
TFA made no story "sins" afaik other than being wildly uncreative.
The reliance on the 'mystery box' storytelling is the biggest sin in TFA, and the one Last Jedi has to pay for most.
I agree about JJ’s obsession with Mystery Boxes being bad, but I think TLJ actually closed those issues off in a smart and effective way. It doesn’t actually matter who Rey’s parents are. Nor does it matter where Snoke came from. Those points have nothing to do with the story being told in this movie. They were just cheap ways to get ultra fans worked up and theorizing.
Absolutely. But the negative reaction to the film largely seems to be on its seeming failure to indulge us with answers to the mystery box question.
No direspect to anyone who is upset about the lack of “satisfying revelations” on those points, but IMO that’s just fanboys/fangirls getting caught up in hype to the point that they’ve lost the point of the story.The “I am your father” revelation in Empire was not impactful because the question of Luke’s parentage was inherently important... it was impactful because that specific relationship (father and son) changed the dynamic of everything that happened afterwards. But too many people are worked up about Rey’s parents just because it would be “cool” if she were related to Luke or Obi Wan or anything like that. But Johnson was smart enough to recognize that kind of thing as self indulgent and irrelevant to the actual story being told. More over, he played it into the main theme that hero’s can be anyone, from anywhere.
The Snoke thing actually pisses me off more, by which I mean I find it frustrating that people are knocking the movie over a lack of backstory around snoke. Like, who cares? Why does it matter? He’s another generic machevelian ultra-powerful puppetmaster. We’ve seen that villain countless times. We know what he wants. There’s nothing interesting to develop there. I was thrilled to see TLJ get him out of the way and shift the focus firmly on to Ren, who is a far more interesting character.
Everything you just said in that post was right. :-D
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- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-14, 18:33
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - ZackDark, 2017-12-14, 19:21
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *more SPOILERS* -
marmot 1333,
2017-12-14, 21:04
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *more SPOILERS* -
ZackDark,
2017-12-14, 21:12
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *more SPOILERS* - breitzen, 2017-12-14, 21:43
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *more SPOILERS* -
ZackDark,
2017-12-14, 21:12
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - breitzen, 2017-12-14, 21:46
- Seeing it at 10 AM tomorrow. Someone ruin the movie for me. - Funkmon, 2017-12-14, 22:20
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-14, 23:15
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
TheeChaos,
2017-12-15, 05:42
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - breitzen, 2017-12-15, 06:53
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-15, 08:03
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
breitzen,
2017-12-15, 08:12
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - INSANEdrive, 2017-12-15, 09:08
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-12-15, 09:11
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
breitzen,
2017-12-15, 09:24
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - EffortlessFury, 2017-12-15, 10:03
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
marmot 1333,
2017-12-15, 10:52
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - breitzen, 2017-12-15, 11:11
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
breitzen,
2017-12-15, 09:24
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
CrazedOne,
2017-12-15, 15:01
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - INSANEdrive, 2017-12-15, 15:50
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - Vortech, 2017-12-17, 06:30
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
breitzen,
2017-12-15, 08:12
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-16, 21:53
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-16, 22:41
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-17, 09:29
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-17, 12:34
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-17, 14:03
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-17, 14:43
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - Cody Miller, 2017-12-17, 15:07
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-17, 14:43
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-17, 14:03
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-17, 12:34
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-17, 09:29
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Funkmon,
2017-12-17, 01:13
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Vortech,
2017-12-17, 07:22
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - Cody Miller, 2017-12-17, 08:58
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-17, 08:54
- BAH -
Funkmon,
2017-12-17, 20:32
- BAH - cheapLEY, 2017-12-18, 06:44
- BAH -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-18, 12:55
- Give me examples and why they're bad -
Funkmon,
2017-12-18, 13:19
- Give me examples and why they're bad -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-18, 13:55
- Give me examples and why they're bad -
Vortech,
2017-12-18, 14:01
- Give me examples and why they're bad - Cody Miller, 2017-12-18, 15:31
- Give me examples and why they're bad -
Ragashingo,
2017-12-18, 14:35
- Give me examples and why they're bad -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-18, 15:29
- Only a Sith deal in absolutes. -
Ragashingo,
2017-12-18, 17:36
- Only a Sith deal in absolutes. - Cody Miller, 2017-12-18, 17:47
- Only a Sith deal in absolutes. -
Ragashingo,
2017-12-18, 17:36
- Give me examples and why they're bad -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-18, 15:29
- :/ - Funkmon, 2017-12-18, 15:03
- Give me examples and why they're bad -
Vortech,
2017-12-18, 14:01
- Give me examples and why they're bad -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-18, 13:55
- BAH *spoilers* -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-12-18, 13:51
- BAH *spoilers* -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-18, 13:58
- BAH *spoilers* -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-12-18, 14:22
- BAH *spoilers* - Cody Miller, 2017-12-18, 15:27
- BAH *spoilers* - Avateur, 2017-12-18, 18:41
- BAH *spoilers* - Kermit, 2017-12-18, 18:55
- BAH *spoilers* -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-12-18, 14:22
- BAH *spoilers* -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-18, 13:58
- Give me examples and why they're bad -
Funkmon,
2017-12-18, 13:19
- BAH -
Funkmon,
2017-12-17, 20:32
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Vortech,
2017-12-17, 07:22
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-16, 22:41
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
TheeChaos,
2017-12-15, 05:42
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
squidnh3,
2017-12-15, 08:26
- This. -
Kermit,
2017-12-19, 08:11
- This. - dogcow, 2017-12-19, 08:39
- This. -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-19, 10:31
- This. - ManKitten, 2017-12-19, 11:03
- Do what I say, not what I do. - Funkmon, 2017-12-19, 11:19
- This. -
Kermit,
2017-12-19, 13:19
- Some cookies are better than others, for sure. - dogcow, 2017-12-19, 13:28
- Second viewing required. -
Harmanimus,
2017-12-19, 14:03
- Hmm... interesting... - Anton P. Nym (aka Steve), 2017-12-19, 14:42
- After a second viewing - Cody Miller, 2017-12-19, 17:29
- This. - Cody Miller, 2017-12-19, 17:01
- This. -
Anton P. Nym (aka Steve),
2017-12-19, 13:54
- This. - ManKitten, 2017-12-19, 14:35
- This. -
Kermit,
2017-12-19, 08:11
- Loved it! - SonofMacPhisto, 2017-12-15, 09:59
- ENDING HERE! -
Morpheus,
2017-12-15, 12:38
- canon -
marmot 1333,
2017-12-15, 14:25
- Guess they killed off the radio series as canon then. :(. -
Funkmon,
2017-12-15, 19:39
- "Legends" - INSANEdrive, 2017-12-15, 19:45
- Guess they killed off the radio series as canon then. :(. -
Funkmon,
2017-12-15, 19:39
- canon -
marmot 1333,
2017-12-15, 14:25
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Avateur,
2017-12-15, 18:02
- Yeah, this one is my Halo: Reach. - Funkmon, 2017-12-15, 19:47
- I need an expert in apologetics! -
Funkmon,
2017-12-15, 19:47
- I need an expert in apologetics! - ZackDark, 2017-12-15, 22:50
- I need an expert in apologetics! -
Vortech,
2017-12-17, 07:18
- I need an expert in apologetics! - Funkmon, 2017-12-17, 23:48
- Kind of a Mess IMO -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-16, 01:44
- Set up a new subdomain. -
Funkmon,
2017-12-16, 03:16
- Set up a new subdomain. -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-16, 11:38
- It is for me. - Funkmon, 2017-12-16, 14:49
- Set up a new subdomain. -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-16, 11:38
- Kind of a Mess IMO -
breitzen,
2017-12-16, 05:50
- Kind of a Mess IMO -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-16, 09:18
- Kind of a Mess IMO - breitzen, 2017-12-16, 11:18
- Have you met Cody Miller before? - Funkmon, 2017-12-16, 11:31
- Kind of a Mess IMO -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-16, 09:18
- But did you enjoy it? - Avateur, 2017-12-16, 07:03
- Set up a new subdomain. -
Funkmon,
2017-12-16, 03:16
- Absolutely loved it - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-12-16, 08:47
- Loved it. - yakaman, 2017-12-16, 12:40
- Can’t wait to see it again. And again! - Oholiab, 2017-12-16, 17:58
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Vortech,
2017-12-17, 07:17
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-17, 09:01
- I await your writeup -
Vortech,
2017-12-17, 09:52
- I await your writeup -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-17, 11:41
- I await your writeup -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-17, 12:37
- I await your writeup - breitzen, 2017-12-17, 13:49
- I await your writeup -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-17, 14:06
- I was holding myself here but I can't anymore -
ZackDark,
2017-12-17, 16:20
- I was holding myself here but I can't anymore -
Avateur,
2017-12-17, 17:18
- I was holding myself here but I can't anymore -
CrazedOne,
2017-12-17, 17:21
- I was holding myself here but I can't anymore - ZackDark, 2017-12-17, 18:21
- I was holding myself here but I can't anymore -
CrazedOne,
2017-12-17, 17:21
- I was holding myself here but I can't anymore -
Avateur,
2017-12-17, 17:18
- I was holding myself here but I can't anymore -
ZackDark,
2017-12-17, 16:20
- I await your writeup - Vortech, 2017-12-17, 14:23
- I await your writeup -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-17, 12:37
- I await your writeup -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-17, 11:41
- I await your writeup -
Vortech,
2017-12-17, 09:52
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
CougRon,
2017-12-17, 15:14
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - Avateur, 2017-12-17, 17:08
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-17, 09:01
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
ManKitten,
2017-12-17, 17:36
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Ragashingo,
2017-12-17, 17:52
- +1 - Avateur, 2017-12-17, 18:39
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
ManKitten,
2017-12-17, 20:56
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Funkmon,
2017-12-18, 00:04
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - ManKitten, 2017-12-18, 06:33
- +1 - cheapLEY, 2017-12-18, 06:35
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Ragashingo,
2017-12-18, 06:48
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Avateur,
2017-12-18, 19:10
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
cheapLEY,
2017-12-18, 21:25
- ^ - Funkmon, 2017-12-18, 23:03
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Avateur,
2017-12-19, 05:37
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
cheapLEY,
2017-12-19, 06:06
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
breitzen,
2017-12-19, 06:13
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - Cody Miller, 2017-12-19, 12:06
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - Vortech, 2017-12-20, 13:44
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
breitzen,
2017-12-19, 06:13
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
cheapLEY,
2017-12-19, 06:06
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
cheapLEY,
2017-12-18, 21:25
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Avateur,
2017-12-18, 19:10
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Funkmon,
2017-12-18, 00:04
- Funny Story -
squidnh3,
2017-12-18, 14:16
- LOL - Funkmon, 2017-12-18, 15:05
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Ragashingo,
2017-12-17, 17:52
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Anton P. Nym (aka Steve),
2017-12-17, 20:37
- Steve cheers: "I'm certainly not raving-angry"! -
Vortech,
2017-12-20, 13:46
- It's a slow burn movie - Anton P. Nym (aka Steve), 2017-12-20, 14:58
- Steve cheers: "I'm certainly not raving-angry"! -
Vortech,
2017-12-20, 13:46
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
Claude Errera,
2017-12-18, 09:06
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) - Cody Miller, 2017-12-18, 10:03
- Don't feel bad - Funkmon, 2017-12-18, 11:07
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
Kermit,
2017-12-18, 16:39
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-18, 17:36
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-18, 17:47
- Yea. I know. There was more. Dominos. - INSANEdrive, 2017-12-18, 17:52
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
ManKitten,
2017-12-19, 06:25
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
breitzen,
2017-12-19, 06:32
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
ZackDark,
2017-12-19, 07:53
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
ManKitten,
2017-12-19, 08:31
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) - Vortech, 2017-12-20, 17:00
- I was thinking about that. - Funkmon, 2017-12-19, 09:10
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
ManKitten,
2017-12-19, 08:31
- That'd eat into the Canto Bight folks' profits, wouldn't it? - Anton P. Nym (aka Steve), 2017-12-19, 13:58
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
ZackDark,
2017-12-19, 07:53
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
breitzen,
2017-12-19, 06:32
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-18, 17:47
- I slept through parts of it. (yes, real *SP*) -
Vortech,
2017-12-20, 16:58
- I slept through parts of it. (yes, real *SP*) - Kermit, 2017-12-20, 17:54
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-18, 17:36
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* (Ratings) -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-18, 14:06
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* (Ratings) - ManKitten, 2017-12-18, 14:53
- Related - Funkmon, 2017-12-18, 15:13
- Caution: there's evidence of botting in those user ratings. -
Anton P. Nym (aka Steve),
2017-12-18, 16:18
- So it seems. - INSANEdrive, 2017-12-19, 19:20
- I quite liked it. - cheapLEY, 2017-12-18, 21:17
- Two pieces sum up my feelings on The Last Jedi pretty well -
SonofMacPhisto,
2017-12-19, 17:40
- Agree with both articles - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-12-19, 18:10
- Interesting stuff. - Anton P. Nym (aka Steve), 2017-12-19, 19:36
- Ugh. - Kermit, 2017-12-20, 18:30
- I hear the Jedi have a chat app now -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-19, 20:23
- I hear the Jedi have a chat app now - Avateur, 2017-12-19, 21:27
- Dunno; I hear it can be a vector for malware. - Anton P. Nym (aka Steve), 2017-12-20, 05:09
- This pretty much summerises... -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-19, 20:56
- This pretty much summerises... - Avateur, 2017-12-19, 21:33
- The Last Jedi, second viewing. *SP* - cheapLEY, 2018-01-07, 19:13