Give me examples and why they're bad (Off-Topic)
I would have hoped this would be obvious. Everybody seems most concerned with three things:
1. Not knowing who Snoke is
2. Rey's parents just being nobodies.
3. Rose and Finn's Casino adventure
The first two are a direct result of the mystery box.
The Force Awakens made such a big deal out of the mystery of Rey's parentage, but that mystery itself serves no dramatic function and actually obscures character motivations. Why did Rey drop the lightsaber and 'refuse the call'? I see no character based reason. Would the film have not been better dramatically if we KNEW her parents were nobodies who left her? That the film makers could then base her refusal and reluctance on her inability to trust based on that betrayal? It's just like… I can't I have to stay here. They might come back. That's weak a shit.
But then it spills over into Last Jedi. Making her parents nobodies was 100% the best decision when you really get down to it. But the reaction from most is just a letdown because of the buildup in the first film. JJ Abrams made an insane promise, and you're going to fault Rian Johnson for seeing that is was insane? Why do you think Luke just tossed away the lightsaber? Because the final sequence of the Force Awakens couldn't possibly have delivered on anything other than the intrigue of the moment.
Same thing with Snoke. The air of mystery around Snoke was just as untenable. Everything about the way he was presented in the Force Awakens was filled with the same bullshit mystery box allure. Again how do you live up to that? Especially when he is not really that important to the story? Contrast this with how the Emperor was introduced in A New Hope. By the time we got to Return of the Jedi, I don't think anyone was torn up inside that we don't know exactly who he is.
Complete thread:
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-14, 18:33
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - ZackDark, 2017-12-14, 19:21
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *more SPOILERS* -
marmot 1333,
2017-12-14, 21:04
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *more SPOILERS* -
ZackDark,
2017-12-14, 21:12
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *more SPOILERS* - breitzen, 2017-12-14, 21:43
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *more SPOILERS* -
ZackDark,
2017-12-14, 21:12
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - breitzen, 2017-12-14, 21:46
- Seeing it at 10 AM tomorrow. Someone ruin the movie for me. - Funkmon, 2017-12-14, 22:20
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-14, 23:15
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
TheeChaos,
2017-12-15, 05:42
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - breitzen, 2017-12-15, 06:53
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-15, 08:03
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
breitzen,
2017-12-15, 08:12
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - INSANEdrive, 2017-12-15, 09:08
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-12-15, 09:11
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
breitzen,
2017-12-15, 09:24
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - EffortlessFury, 2017-12-15, 10:03
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
marmot 1333,
2017-12-15, 10:52
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - breitzen, 2017-12-15, 11:11
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
breitzen,
2017-12-15, 09:24
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
CrazedOne,
2017-12-15, 15:01
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - INSANEdrive, 2017-12-15, 15:50
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - Vortech, 2017-12-17, 06:30
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
breitzen,
2017-12-15, 08:12
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-16, 21:53
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-16, 22:41
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-17, 09:29
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-17, 12:34
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-17, 14:03
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-17, 14:43
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - Cody Miller, 2017-12-17, 15:07
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-17, 14:43
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-17, 14:03
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-17, 12:34
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-17, 09:29
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Funkmon,
2017-12-17, 01:13
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Vortech,
2017-12-17, 07:22
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - Cody Miller, 2017-12-17, 08:58
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-17, 08:54
- BAH -
Funkmon,
2017-12-17, 20:32
- BAH - cheapLEY, 2017-12-18, 06:44
- BAH -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-18, 12:55
- Give me examples and why they're bad -
Funkmon,
2017-12-18, 13:19
- Give me examples and why they're bad -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-18, 13:55
- Give me examples and why they're bad -
Vortech,
2017-12-18, 14:01
- Give me examples and why they're bad - Cody Miller, 2017-12-18, 15:31
- Give me examples and why they're bad -
Ragashingo,
2017-12-18, 14:35
- Give me examples and why they're bad -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-18, 15:29
- Only a Sith deal in absolutes. -
Ragashingo,
2017-12-18, 17:36
- Only a Sith deal in absolutes. - Cody Miller, 2017-12-18, 17:47
- Only a Sith deal in absolutes. -
Ragashingo,
2017-12-18, 17:36
- Give me examples and why they're bad -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-18, 15:29
- :/ - Funkmon, 2017-12-18, 15:03
- Give me examples and why they're bad -
Vortech,
2017-12-18, 14:01
- Give me examples and why they're bad -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-18, 13:55
- BAH *spoilers* -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-12-18, 13:51
- BAH *spoilers* -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-18, 13:58
- BAH *spoilers* -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-12-18, 14:22
- BAH *spoilers* - Cody Miller, 2017-12-18, 15:27
- BAH *spoilers* - Avateur, 2017-12-18, 18:41
- BAH *spoilers* - Kermit, 2017-12-18, 18:55
- BAH *spoilers* -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-12-18, 14:22
- BAH *spoilers* -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-18, 13:58
- Give me examples and why they're bad -
Funkmon,
2017-12-18, 13:19
- BAH -
Funkmon,
2017-12-17, 20:32
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Vortech,
2017-12-17, 07:22
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-16, 22:41
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
TheeChaos,
2017-12-15, 05:42
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
squidnh3,
2017-12-15, 08:26
- This. -
Kermit,
2017-12-19, 08:11
- This. - dogcow, 2017-12-19, 08:39
- This. -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-19, 10:31
- This. - ManKitten, 2017-12-19, 11:03
- Do what I say, not what I do. - Funkmon, 2017-12-19, 11:19
- This. -
Kermit,
2017-12-19, 13:19
- Some cookies are better than others, for sure. - dogcow, 2017-12-19, 13:28
- Second viewing required. -
Harmanimus,
2017-12-19, 14:03
- Hmm... interesting... - Anton P. Nym (aka Steve), 2017-12-19, 14:42
- After a second viewing - Cody Miller, 2017-12-19, 17:29
- This. - Cody Miller, 2017-12-19, 17:01
- This. -
Anton P. Nym (aka Steve),
2017-12-19, 13:54
- This. - ManKitten, 2017-12-19, 14:35
- This. -
Kermit,
2017-12-19, 08:11
- Loved it! - SonofMacPhisto, 2017-12-15, 09:59
- ENDING HERE! -
Morpheus,
2017-12-15, 12:38
- canon -
marmot 1333,
2017-12-15, 14:25
- Guess they killed off the radio series as canon then. :(. -
Funkmon,
2017-12-15, 19:39
- "Legends" - INSANEdrive, 2017-12-15, 19:45
- Guess they killed off the radio series as canon then. :(. -
Funkmon,
2017-12-15, 19:39
- canon -
marmot 1333,
2017-12-15, 14:25
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Avateur,
2017-12-15, 18:02
- Yeah, this one is my Halo: Reach. - Funkmon, 2017-12-15, 19:47
- I need an expert in apologetics! -
Funkmon,
2017-12-15, 19:47
- I need an expert in apologetics! - ZackDark, 2017-12-15, 22:50
- I need an expert in apologetics! -
Vortech,
2017-12-17, 07:18
- I need an expert in apologetics! - Funkmon, 2017-12-17, 23:48
- Kind of a Mess IMO -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-16, 01:44
- Set up a new subdomain. -
Funkmon,
2017-12-16, 03:16
- Set up a new subdomain. -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-16, 11:38
- It is for me. - Funkmon, 2017-12-16, 14:49
- Set up a new subdomain. -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-16, 11:38
- Kind of a Mess IMO -
breitzen,
2017-12-16, 05:50
- Kind of a Mess IMO -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-16, 09:18
- Kind of a Mess IMO - breitzen, 2017-12-16, 11:18
- Have you met Cody Miller before? - Funkmon, 2017-12-16, 11:31
- Kind of a Mess IMO -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-16, 09:18
- But did you enjoy it? - Avateur, 2017-12-16, 07:03
- Set up a new subdomain. -
Funkmon,
2017-12-16, 03:16
- Absolutely loved it - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-12-16, 08:47
- Loved it. - yakaman, 2017-12-16, 12:40
- Can’t wait to see it again. And again! - Oholiab, 2017-12-16, 17:58
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Vortech,
2017-12-17, 07:17
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-17, 09:01
- I await your writeup -
Vortech,
2017-12-17, 09:52
- I await your writeup -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-17, 11:41
- I await your writeup -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-17, 12:37
- I await your writeup - breitzen, 2017-12-17, 13:49
- I await your writeup -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-17, 14:06
- I was holding myself here but I can't anymore -
ZackDark,
2017-12-17, 16:20
- I was holding myself here but I can't anymore -
Avateur,
2017-12-17, 17:18
- I was holding myself here but I can't anymore -
CrazedOne,
2017-12-17, 17:21
- I was holding myself here but I can't anymore - ZackDark, 2017-12-17, 18:21
- I was holding myself here but I can't anymore -
CrazedOne,
2017-12-17, 17:21
- I was holding myself here but I can't anymore -
Avateur,
2017-12-17, 17:18
- I was holding myself here but I can't anymore -
ZackDark,
2017-12-17, 16:20
- I await your writeup - Vortech, 2017-12-17, 14:23
- I await your writeup -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-17, 12:37
- I await your writeup -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-17, 11:41
- I await your writeup -
Vortech,
2017-12-17, 09:52
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
CougRon,
2017-12-17, 15:14
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - Avateur, 2017-12-17, 17:08
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-17, 09:01
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
ManKitten,
2017-12-17, 17:36
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Ragashingo,
2017-12-17, 17:52
- +1 - Avateur, 2017-12-17, 18:39
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
ManKitten,
2017-12-17, 20:56
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Funkmon,
2017-12-18, 00:04
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - ManKitten, 2017-12-18, 06:33
- +1 - cheapLEY, 2017-12-18, 06:35
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Ragashingo,
2017-12-18, 06:48
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Avateur,
2017-12-18, 19:10
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
cheapLEY,
2017-12-18, 21:25
- ^ - Funkmon, 2017-12-18, 23:03
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Avateur,
2017-12-19, 05:37
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
cheapLEY,
2017-12-19, 06:06
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
breitzen,
2017-12-19, 06:13
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - Cody Miller, 2017-12-19, 12:06
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* - Vortech, 2017-12-20, 13:44
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
breitzen,
2017-12-19, 06:13
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
cheapLEY,
2017-12-19, 06:06
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
cheapLEY,
2017-12-18, 21:25
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Avateur,
2017-12-18, 19:10
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Funkmon,
2017-12-18, 00:04
- Funny Story -
squidnh3,
2017-12-18, 14:16
- LOL - Funkmon, 2017-12-18, 15:05
- Can someone explain? - Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Ragashingo,
2017-12-17, 17:52
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* -
Anton P. Nym (aka Steve),
2017-12-17, 20:37
- Steve cheers: "I'm certainly not raving-angry"! -
Vortech,
2017-12-20, 13:46
- It's a slow burn movie - Anton P. Nym (aka Steve), 2017-12-20, 14:58
- Steve cheers: "I'm certainly not raving-angry"! -
Vortech,
2017-12-20, 13:46
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
Claude Errera,
2017-12-18, 09:06
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) - Cody Miller, 2017-12-18, 10:03
- Don't feel bad - Funkmon, 2017-12-18, 11:07
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
Kermit,
2017-12-18, 16:39
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-18, 17:36
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-18, 17:47
- Yea. I know. There was more. Dominos. - INSANEdrive, 2017-12-18, 17:52
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
ManKitten,
2017-12-19, 06:25
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
breitzen,
2017-12-19, 06:32
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
ZackDark,
2017-12-19, 07:53
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
ManKitten,
2017-12-19, 08:31
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) - Vortech, 2017-12-20, 17:00
- I was thinking about that. - Funkmon, 2017-12-19, 09:10
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
ManKitten,
2017-12-19, 08:31
- That'd eat into the Canto Bight folks' profits, wouldn't it? - Anton P. Nym (aka Steve), 2017-12-19, 13:58
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
ZackDark,
2017-12-19, 07:53
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
breitzen,
2017-12-19, 06:32
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-18, 17:47
- I slept through parts of it. (yes, real *SP*) -
Vortech,
2017-12-20, 16:58
- I slept through parts of it. (yes, real *SP*) - Kermit, 2017-12-20, 17:54
- I slept through parts of it. (No real *SP*) -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-18, 17:36
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* (Ratings) -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-18, 14:06
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* (Ratings) - ManKitten, 2017-12-18, 14:53
- Related - Funkmon, 2017-12-18, 15:13
- Caution: there's evidence of botting in those user ratings. -
Anton P. Nym (aka Steve),
2017-12-18, 16:18
- So it seems. - INSANEdrive, 2017-12-19, 19:20
- I quite liked it. - cheapLEY, 2017-12-18, 21:17
- Two pieces sum up my feelings on The Last Jedi pretty well -
SonofMacPhisto,
2017-12-19, 17:40
- Agree with both articles - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-12-19, 18:10
- Interesting stuff. - Anton P. Nym (aka Steve), 2017-12-19, 19:36
- Ugh. - Kermit, 2017-12-20, 18:30
- I hear the Jedi have a chat app now -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-19, 20:23
- I hear the Jedi have a chat app now - Avateur, 2017-12-19, 21:27
- Dunno; I hear it can be a vector for malware. - Anton P. Nym (aka Steve), 2017-12-20, 05:09
- This pretty much summerises... -
INSANEdrive,
2017-12-19, 20:56
- This pretty much summerises... - Avateur, 2017-12-19, 21:33
- The Last Jedi, second viewing. *SP* - cheapLEY, 2018-01-07, 19:13