Where’s the Criticism tag when you need it? (Off-Topic)

by Ragashingo , Official DBO Cryptarch, Tuesday, February 06, 2018, 23:31 (2271 days ago) @ cheapLEY

Sure, my first post could have been better. I suck at this shit, but I try. At least I don't attack people for having opinions.

NOBODY. IS. AGAINST. YOUR. OPINIONS.

I dare you to find someone who is for Tesla hurting its workers. Or someone who thinks the path to colonizing space is gonna be squeaky clean with eveyrone’s rights being fully respected. Or someone who believes that launching the Tesla was done with zero publicity consideration.

All ya gotta do, man, is take your time and explain yourself instead of just launching into rant mode in the first post. If you’d done that things would have gone swimmingly.

You're not wrong. I'll accept that.

Let me at least attempt to explain. I still don't think my post is anywhere near as negative as you want to read it as, but I realize this is the internet and tone doesn't exist. My post was a (admittedly poor) attempt to broach the subject without actually diving into it, as maybe this isn't the place for it. It's something that very easily could get very political, which is something we avoid here.

I fully understand your caution. Some subjects, such as unionization, can indeed get heated. And, yep, so of Tesla’s employee treatment troubles were said to be racially motivated. We certainly can’t say race relations isn’t a touchy subject! Because I’m sure we both agree it totally is, all the time, in our supposedly more enlightened world.

It obviously came off as far more negative than I intended, and that's on me.

But don't play innocent. You're exact words were "You are so wrong it hurts. You are so wrong it legitimately makes me angry." Those aren't the words of someone looking for clarity or of someone looking for a discussion. Those are the words of someone looking for a fight. A fight I regrettably gave you.

Yeah, I guess I was too forceful in trying to drive home a point. Because, my big bold text isn’t 100% correct, as you noted. (More on that below, I guess...) I reacted the way I did because spaceflight and space technology and space innovation are one of my favorite subjects. Relating the subject of Tesla to the major accomplishment of SpaceX because of the owner and the car they launched just felt so out of place to me. Doubly so, since we didn’t really get to that discussion until later.

There’s also this funny thing where SpaceX gets crap from smaller government proponents which seems bizzare to me given that they charge significantly less than most every other rocket company to launch a payload. Your initial post where you were talking about corporations and capitalism felt a bit like you were going in that direction, as well.

On the other hand, thank you. I genuinely learned something, and we got there in the end. Now, maybe we can actually have the discussion I could have started in a more graceful way.

Yeah, there’s certainly an interesting discussion to be had there on many fronts. One thing I’d totally bring up is how come it sometimes seems like the people who are the most innovative and revolutionary are also bad at respecting the people under them. Like, Steve Jobs revolutionized the computer and phone and digital music industries... but it is pretty universally accepted that he could be a total jerk. Discussion on how we plan to protect the rights or workers who we send to other worlds could be amazingly interesting as well... you know... given that we don’t always manage to protect them here on our one single world.

I do think there’s something to be said for allowing people to celebrate and for keeping in mind that people don’t like their celebrations interrupted, but yes, I agree, I should have asked for clarification and tried harder to draw out your points. For not doing that, I am sorry.