Tyson Green (Destiny)
Why? BECAUSE THEY WERE FUCKING FUN.
Investment systems don't make games better. Making a good game makes it better.
Multiplayer, a customisable character, decisions that matter, challenge. Tell me what, out of that list, that doesn't make the game better when done correctly.
You need to think of these things in the context of investment systems. When he says you will fail, it's not because you're going to encounter cool situations which you are unprepared for in terms of skill or knowledge, but because your avatar won't be strong enough. This has been confirmed by Game Informer. Which is dumb.
You've just got it into your head that because now game developers are designing with invest-ability in mind, that anything that is spawned out of that -even partially- must automatically be irreparably corrupted and objectively make the game worse, for every player.
Mr. Miller, you are wrong.
It's just short hand for a design theory. You can cast many things in the light of 'investment system.' The difficulty badges on the level select screen in Halo 1. The map-specific knowledge you had to acquire to be good at multiplayer. Things players want to attain or get the opportunity to use, they are 'invested' in.
There is a difference. When you 'invest' yourself in a good game, what you get back manifests itself in your brain and body as increased skill or knowledge. When you 'invest' yourself in games with investment systems, you primarily gain flipped bits on your hard drive or the game server.
A quick test: do you keep it if you were to completely start the game over and wipe all progress? If yes, you're on the right track. If not, you are generally wasting time.
Thus the best 'investment' systems are simply making a really good game people like to play, not one based on rewards.
Complete thread:
- Tyson Green -
Cody Miller,
2013-12-13, 17:04
- Tyson Green -
Ragashingo,
2013-12-13, 17:24
- Tyson Green - Cody Miller, 2013-12-13, 17:39
- Tyson Green -
RC,
2013-12-13, 18:06
- Tyson Green -
Cody Miller,
2013-12-13, 20:01
- Tyson Green -
Ragashingo,
2013-12-13, 20:07
- It's automatically decided according to cody - MrPadraig08, 2013-12-13, 20:36
- Tyson Green - electricpirate, 2013-12-14, 11:09
- Tyson Green -
Ragashingo,
2013-12-13, 20:07
- Tyson Green -
Cody Miller,
2013-12-13, 20:01
- Tyson Green -
Dmiller,
2013-12-14, 09:12
- Tyson Green - Claude Errera, 2013-12-14, 10:35
- Tyson Green -
Cody Miller,
2013-12-14, 10:56
- Tyson Green -
ZackDark,
2013-12-14, 11:39
- Tyson Green -
stabbim,
2013-12-14, 12:37
- Tyson Green -
Cody Miller,
2013-12-14, 12:43
- Pacific Rim -
MrPadraig08,
2013-12-14, 13:34
- Pacific Rim -
uberfoop,
2013-12-14, 13:48
- I guess movies can be good or enjoyable, not both -
MrPadraig08,
2013-12-14, 13:50
- I guess movies can be good or enjoyable, not both -
uberfoop,
2013-12-14, 14:06
- I guess movies can be good or enjoyable, not both -
Cody Miller,
2013-12-14, 14:32
- I guess movies can be good or enjoyable, not both - electricpirate, 2013-12-14, 18:07
- I'm not so good with the words it seems - MrPadraig08, 2013-12-14, 22:36
- I guess movies can be good or enjoyable, not both -
Cody Miller,
2013-12-14, 14:32
- I guess movies can be good or enjoyable, not both -
uberfoop,
2013-12-14, 14:06
- I guess movies can be good or enjoyable, not both -
MrPadraig08,
2013-12-14, 13:50
- Pacific Rim -
uberfoop,
2013-12-14, 13:48
- OSS 117 - Grizzlei, 2013-12-14, 13:50
- Pacific Rim -
MrPadraig08,
2013-12-14, 13:34
- Tyson Green -
Cody Miller,
2013-12-14, 12:43
- Hey! - Blackt1g3r, 2013-12-16, 05:24
- Tyson Green -
stabbim,
2013-12-14, 12:37
- Tyson Green -
electricpirate,
2013-12-14, 18:40
- Tyson Green -
Cody Miller,
2013-12-16, 22:58
- Tyson Green - kapowaz, 2013-12-17, 03:33
- Tyson Green -
electricpirate,
2013-12-17, 05:09
- Tyson Green -
Cody Miller,
2013-12-17, 10:22
- Tyson Green -
Claude Errera,
2013-12-17, 12:15
- Tyson Green -
Cody Miller,
2013-12-17, 12:36
- Tyson Green -
ZackDark,
2013-12-17, 17:12
- Tyson Green -
Cody Miller,
2013-12-17, 17:32
- Tyson Green -
ZackDark,
2013-12-17, 19:03
- I don't know why I've only remembered this now... - ZackDark, 2013-12-18, 06:58
- Tyson Green - Mr Daax, 2013-12-17, 19:29
- Tyson Green -
ZackDark,
2013-12-17, 19:03
- Tyson Green -
Cody Miller,
2013-12-17, 17:32
- thanks for the chuckle - electricpirate, 2013-12-17, 20:30
- Tyson Green -
ZackDark,
2013-12-17, 17:12
- Tyson Green -
Cody Miller,
2013-12-17, 12:36
- Tyson Green -
Claude Errera,
2013-12-17, 12:15
- Tyson Green -
Cody Miller,
2013-12-17, 10:22
- Tyson Green -
Cody Miller,
2013-12-16, 22:58
- Tyson Green - kapowaz, 2013-12-16, 08:25
- Tyson Green -
ZackDark,
2013-12-14, 11:39
- Tyson Green - kidtsunami, 2013-12-16, 07:32
- Tyson Green - Kalamari, 2013-12-14, 10:14
- Tyson Green -
Malagate,
2013-12-14, 10:33
- Tyson Green -
Cody Miller,
2013-12-14, 11:07
- Tyson Green -
Ragashingo,
2013-12-14, 11:37
- Tyson Green -
Cody Miller,
2013-12-14, 11:44
- Tyson Green -
Malagate,
2013-12-14, 11:53
- Tyson Green -
Phoenix_9286,
2013-12-14, 12:27
- Guys he's not ranting - you exaggerate -
scarab,
2013-12-14, 14:07
- When talking with Cody hours do indeed seem like days. :) - Ragashingo, 2013-12-14, 14:23
- Cody's is superior. - Quirel, 2013-12-14, 20:05
- Guys he's not ranting - you exaggerate -
scarab,
2013-12-14, 14:07
- Tyson Green -
Phoenix_9286,
2013-12-14, 12:27
- Tyson Green - Ragashingo, 2013-12-14, 12:17
- Tyson Green -
Malagate,
2013-12-14, 11:53
- Tyson Green -
Cody Miller,
2013-12-14, 11:44
- Tyson Green -
Malagate,
2013-12-14, 11:44
- Tyson Green -
Cody Miller,
2013-12-14, 11:55
- Tyson Green -
Malagate,
2013-12-14, 12:35
- Tyson Green - Schooly D, 2013-12-14, 14:47
- Tyson Green -
Malagate,
2013-12-14, 12:35
- Tyson Green -
Cody Miller,
2013-12-14, 11:55
- Tyson Green -
Ragashingo,
2013-12-14, 11:37
- Tyson Green -
Cody Miller,
2013-12-14, 11:07
- Whispering warnings and Screaming truths. -
INSANEdrive,
2013-12-14, 14:58
- Whispering warnings and Screaming truths. - Veegie, 2013-12-14, 22:02
- Whispering warnings and Screaming truths. -
Cody Miller,
2013-12-15, 13:52
- Whispering warnings and Screaming truths. - INSANEdrive, 2013-12-15, 19:52
- Tyson Green -
Ragashingo,
2013-12-13, 17:24