I mean, you're not wrong. (Destiny)
The next step in storytelling after sequencing is motivation. Not just what happened but why. Here is, in my opinion, the greatest failure of Destiny's storytelling. Someone at Bungie thinks that expressly not telling us what's going on is superior to telling us what the other characters *think* is going on. They're wrong. "I'm a ghost, and you're a guardian. I'll [never] explain later." "I could tell you the stories we used to scare children with, [but I won't]" "I don't have time to explain why I don't have time to explain." and the greatest failure is that, in the face of all of this confusion, obfuscation, and intentional not-explanations of events, the guardian is FINE WITH IT ALL. I declare shenanigans right there. At no point in the story of Destiny have I ever believed that the guardian buys in to the vanguard, it's leaders, the Traveler, or any of this other bullshit. I do not know why I keep doing what these people tell me. I don't care about any of them, and I'm immortal. Why wouldn't I just leave and force them to convince me?
This is an interesting bit here. I don't remember if it was Destiny or some other game I was playing that led me down a similar thought process recently, but essentially:
Suspension of disbelief itself is suspended when the character whose shoes I'm filling no longer speaks for me.
Chief was a decent silent protagonist because, in the context of Halo, he's a soldier ultra conditioned to follow orders and, frankly, his orders make sense and we're all mostly onboard. In Destiny, I lack context for my actions (by design, no less. I've been resurrected and have no idea WTF is going on, IN LORE) and I never get clarity. I want it, my character does not seem to, so I can't ever engage.
Complete thread:
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
BeardFade,
2016-09-22, 18:27
- About hiding it from everyone *SP?* -
ZackDark,
2016-09-22, 18:36
- About hiding it from everyone *SP?* - Xenos, 2016-09-22, 18:44
- About hiding it from everyone *SP?* - stabbim, 2016-09-23, 11:27
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
ChrisTheeCrappy,
2016-09-22, 18:40
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
cheapLEY,
2016-09-22, 18:59
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story - Kahzgul, 2016-09-22, 19:06
- But... we still need to finish the refer-a-friend quest! ;) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-22, 19:14
- LOL - cheapLEY, 2016-09-22, 19:52
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
cheapLEY,
2016-09-22, 18:59
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
dogcow,
2016-09-22, 18:44
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
BeardFade,
2016-09-22, 18:48
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-22, 19:07
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story - Blackt1g3r, 2016-09-23, 13:01
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
Coaxkez,
2016-09-23, 07:41
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 13:59
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story - Blackt1g3r, 2016-09-23, 15:05
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 13:59
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-22, 19:07
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
BeardFade,
2016-09-22, 18:48
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Kahzgul,
2016-09-22, 19:01
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-22, 19:16
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Kahzgul,
2016-09-22, 20:51
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
cheapLEY,
2016-09-22, 21:18
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Kermit,
2016-09-23, 14:11
- I mean, you're not wrong. - Avateur, 2016-09-23, 16:02
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 16:13
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Claude Errera,
2016-09-23, 16:20
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 16:26
- I mean, you're not wrong. - narcogen, 2016-09-24, 15:15
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 16:26
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Avateur,
2016-09-23, 16:24
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 16:27
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Avateur,
2016-09-23, 16:32
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Kermit,
2016-09-23, 16:57
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 17:06
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Claude Errera,
2016-09-23, 17:25
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 17:42
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Claude Errera,
2016-09-23, 17:44
- I mean, you're not wrong. - Cody Miller, 2016-09-23, 17:45
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Claude Errera,
2016-09-23, 17:44
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 17:42
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Claude Errera,
2016-09-23, 17:25
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-23, 17:41
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 17:45
- I mean, you're not wrong. - uberfoop, 2016-09-23, 18:08
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-23, 18:16
- I mean, you're not wrong. - Kahzgul, 2016-09-23, 20:23
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 17:45
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 17:06
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Kermit,
2016-09-23, 16:57
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Avateur,
2016-09-23, 16:32
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 16:27
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Claude Errera,
2016-09-23, 16:20
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 14:17
- Source? -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-23, 15:46
- Once again, primary source. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 16:07
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-23, 20:00
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 20:22
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Kermit,
2016-09-23, 21:31
- But that contradicts known facts. - Cody Miller, 2016-09-23, 22:17
- Thanks Kermit -
Pyromancy,
2016-09-23, 22:42
- Thanks Kermit -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 22:50
- Axiom: It's not what you say, but how you say it. - INSANEdrive, 2016-09-23, 23:00
- Thanks Kermit -
Kermit,
2016-09-23, 23:04
- Thanks Kermit -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 23:13
- Thanks Kermit -
Kermit,
2016-09-23, 23:27
- Thanks Kermit - Cody Miller, 2016-09-24, 00:07
- Thanks Kermit -
Kermit,
2016-09-23, 23:27
- Thanks Kermit -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 23:13
- Thanks Kermit - Ragashingo, 2016-09-23, 23:41
- Thanks Kermit -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 22:50
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-23, 22:05
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Avateur,
2016-09-23, 23:36
- +1 - SonofMacPhisto, 2016-09-24, 11:16
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Kermit,
2016-09-25, 15:43
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Avateur,
2016-09-25, 16:07
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-25, 18:02
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-25, 18:43
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-25, 20:26
- But that contradicts known facts. - Avateur, 2016-09-26, 02:38
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Kermit,
2016-09-26, 15:45
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-26, 17:59
- But that contradicts known facts. - Kermit, 2016-09-26, 18:28
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-26, 17:59
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-25, 20:26
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-25, 18:43
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-25, 18:02
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Avateur,
2016-09-25, 16:07
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Avateur,
2016-09-23, 23:36
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Kermit,
2016-09-23, 21:31
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 20:22
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-23, 20:00
- Once again, primary source. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 16:07
- That's certainly how it feels - Kahzgul, 2016-09-23, 18:16
- Source? -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-23, 15:46
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Kermit,
2016-09-23, 14:11
- +1 for your last paragraph - BeardFade, 2016-09-22, 21:20
- I lol'd at that last paragraph. - Revenant1988, 2016-09-22, 22:30
- lol - SonofMacPhisto, 2016-09-23, 09:57
- I mean, you're not wrong. - Kermit, 2016-09-23, 14:04
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
cheapLEY,
2016-09-22, 21:18
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Kahzgul,
2016-09-22, 20:51
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
EffortlessFury,
2016-09-22, 23:32
- +1 - CyberKN, 2016-09-23, 03:42
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-24, 03:57
- RIP Speaker -
narcogen,
2016-09-24, 06:05
- RIP Speaker -
Kahzgul,
2016-09-24, 06:07
- Shiro feels so odd to me -
ZackDark,
2016-09-24, 13:19
- Shiro feels so odd to me - Korny, 2016-09-24, 14:32
- Shiro feels so odd to me -
ZackDark,
2016-09-24, 13:19
- RIP Speaker -
SonofMacPhisto,
2016-09-24, 11:22
- RIP Speaker -
narcogen,
2016-09-24, 15:04
- RIP Speaker - Cody Miller, 2016-09-25, 13:26
- RIP Speaker -
narcogen,
2016-09-24, 15:04
- RIP Speaker -
Kahzgul,
2016-09-24, 06:07
- I mean, you're not wrong. - Kahzgul, 2016-09-24, 06:05
- RIP Speaker -
narcogen,
2016-09-24, 06:05
- Losing the plot. -
narcogen,
2016-09-24, 06:12
- Losing the plot. -
Kahzgul,
2016-09-24, 15:02
- Losing the plot. -
narcogen,
2016-09-24, 15:11
- Losing the plot. -
cheapLEY,
2016-09-26, 00:20
- +1 - Avateur, 2016-09-26, 02:40
- Losing the plot. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-26, 18:37
- Losing the plot. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-26, 19:01
- Losing the plot. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-26, 21:11
- Losing the plot. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-26, 21:13
- Losing the plot. - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-09-26, 22:17
- Losing the plot. - ProbablyLast, 2016-09-26, 23:56
- Losing the plot. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-26, 21:13
- Losing the plot. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-26, 21:11
- Losing the plot. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-26, 19:01
- Losing the plot. -
cheapLEY,
2016-09-26, 00:20
- Losing the plot. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-24, 18:07
- Cryptarch, also - narcogen, 2016-09-25, 09:50
- Losing the plot. -
narcogen,
2016-09-24, 15:11
- Losing the plot. -
Kahzgul,
2016-09-24, 15:02
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-22, 19:16
- You could say RoI has a poor ROI... - Oholiab, 2016-09-22, 19:30
- I can barely even call it a story - Avateur, 2016-09-22, 23:28
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-23, 05:05
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
Harmanimus,
2016-09-23, 07:45
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story *Spoilers* -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-23, 10:50
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story *More Spoilers* -
Xenos,
2016-09-23, 12:42
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story *More Spoilers* -
someotherguy,
2016-09-26, 12:18
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story *More Spoilers* - Ragashingo, 2016-09-26, 12:28
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story *More Spoilers* -
someotherguy,
2016-09-26, 12:18
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story *More Spoilers* -
Xenos,
2016-09-23, 12:42
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
dogcow,
2016-09-23, 13:01
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
Blackt1g3r,
2016-09-23, 13:40
- They are tiny Fallen shanks. - CyberKN, 2016-09-23, 13:59
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
Blackt1g3r,
2016-09-23, 13:40
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-23, 16:26
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story - Ragashingo, 2016-09-25, 07:13
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story *Spoilers* -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-23, 10:50
- Not Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story Telling - dogcow, 2016-09-23, 13:13
- The real threat - narcogen, 2016-09-24, 15:13
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
Harmanimus,
2016-09-23, 07:45
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story - Cody Miller, 2016-09-23, 14:12
- Lesson Learned -
BeardFade,
2016-09-24, 14:38
- Unchecked for you -
Xenos,
2016-09-24, 14:47
- Ha, Thanks! - BeardFade, 2016-09-24, 22:43
- Airplane mode -
Blackt1g3r,
2016-09-25, 00:45
- Airplane mode -
cheapLEY,
2016-09-25, 21:32
- "Do Not Disturb" mode. - marmot 1333, 2016-09-26, 17:33
- Airplane mode -
cheapLEY,
2016-09-25, 21:32
- Unchecked for you -
Xenos,
2016-09-24, 14:47
- SIVA in the Grimoire -
someotherguy,
2016-09-26, 11:28
- SIVA in the Grimoire -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-26, 18:02
- SIVA in the Grimoire - petetheduck, 2016-09-26, 21:49
- SIVA in the Grimoire -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-26, 18:02
- About hiding it from everyone *SP?* -
ZackDark,
2016-09-22, 18:36