I mean, you're not wrong. (Destiny)

by Cody Miller , Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Friday, September 23, 2016, 16:13 (2982 days ago) @ Kermit

My writing mentor used to say, "The nature of literature is ambiguity," and I think that's what you mean when you say obfuscation is a one of the fundamentals of writing.

I am not sure I agree. Good writing is clear. The reader needs to have a clear understanding of the world, the character, what they want, etc. They can have the wrong impression (such as a twist in a murder mystery), and you can have a little mystery, but the theme and characters should be crystal clear and not ambiguous.

If you google JJ Abrams Mystery Box, you can have a look at the principle which does NOT work. It is the reason so many of his films are pleasing and fun in the moment, but do not succeed in a lasting sense. Because these clear elements are not built up, and you are rushed from scene to scene with only the mystery to sustain you. Meanwhile, the characters and their choices make no fucking sense, so you don't invest emotionally.

I mean, didn't you feel way worse when Han was frozen than when he died? Why do you think that is?

A story is much more than what happens. Knowing why is what makes it a story.

P.S. Destiny has never had a really solid antagonist. We need a rogue guardian in the future.

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Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story - BeardFade, 2016-09-22, 18:27
- About hiding it from everyone *SP?* - ZackDark, 2016-09-22, 18:36
  - About hiding it from everyone *SP?* - Xenos, 2016-09-22, 18:44
  - About hiding it from everyone *SP?* - stabbim, 2016-09-23, 11:27
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story - ChrisTheeCrappy, 2016-09-22, 18:40
  - Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story - cheapLEY, 2016-09-22, 18:59
    - Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story - Kahzgul, 2016-09-22, 19:06
    - But... we still need to finish the refer-a-friend quest! ;) - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-09-22, 19:14
      - LOL - cheapLEY, 2016-09-22, 19:52
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story - dogcow, 2016-09-22, 18:44
  - Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story - BeardFade, 2016-09-22, 18:48
    - Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-09-22, 19:07
      - Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story - Blackt1g3r, 2016-09-23, 13:01
    - Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story - Coaxkez, 2016-09-23, 07:41
      - Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story - Cody Miller, 2016-09-23, 13:59
        
        Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story - Blackt1g3r, 2016-09-23, 15:05
- I mean, you're not wrong. - Kahzgul, 2016-09-22, 19:01
  - I mean, you're not wrong. - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-09-22, 19:16
    - I mean, you're not wrong. - Kahzgul, 2016-09-22, 20:51
      - I mean, you're not wrong. - cheapLEY, 2016-09-22, 21:18
        
        I mean, you're not wrong. - Kermit, 2016-09-23, 14:11
        
        I mean, you're not wrong. - Avateur, 2016-09-23, 16:02
        
        I mean, you're not wrong. - Cody Miller, 2016-09-23, 16:13
        
        I mean, you're not wrong. - Claude Errera, 2016-09-23, 16:20
        
        I mean, you're not wrong. - Cody Miller, 2016-09-23, 16:26
        
        I mean, you're not wrong. - narcogen, 2016-09-24, 15:15
        
        I mean, you're not wrong. - Avateur, 2016-09-23, 16:24
        
        I mean, you're not wrong. - Cody Miller, 2016-09-23, 16:27
        
        I mean, you're not wrong. - Avateur, 2016-09-23, 16:32
        
        I mean, you're not wrong. - Kermit, 2016-09-23, 16:57
        
        I mean, you're not wrong. - Cody Miller, 2016-09-23, 17:06
        
        I mean, you're not wrong. - Claude Errera, 2016-09-23, 17:25
        
        I mean, you're not wrong. - Cody Miller, 2016-09-23, 17:42
        
        I mean, you're not wrong. - Claude Errera, 2016-09-23, 17:44
        
        I mean, you're not wrong. - Cody Miller, 2016-09-23, 17:45
        
        I mean, you're not wrong. - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-09-23, 17:41
        
        I mean, you're not wrong. - Cody Miller, 2016-09-23, 17:45
        
        I mean, you're not wrong. - uberfoop, 2016-09-23, 18:08
        
        I mean, you're not wrong. - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-09-23, 18:16
        
        I mean, you're not wrong. - Kahzgul, 2016-09-23, 20:23
        
        I mean, you're not wrong. - Cody Miller, 2016-09-23, 14:17
        
        Source? - Ragashingo, 2016-09-23, 15:46
        
        Once again, primary source. - Cody Miller, 2016-09-23, 16:07
        
        But that contradicts known facts. - Ragashingo, 2016-09-23, 20:00
        
        But that contradicts known facts. - Cody Miller, 2016-09-23, 20:22
        
        But that contradicts known facts. - Kermit, 2016-09-23, 21:31
        
        But that contradicts known facts. - Cody Miller, 2016-09-23, 22:17
        
        Thanks Kermit - Pyromancy, 2016-09-23, 22:42
        
        Thanks Kermit - Cody Miller, 2016-09-23, 22:50
        
        Axiom: It's not what you say, but how you say it. - INSANEdrive, 2016-09-23, 23:00
        
        Thanks Kermit - Kermit, 2016-09-23, 23:04
        
        Thanks Kermit - Cody Miller, 2016-09-23, 23:13
        
        Thanks Kermit - Kermit, 2016-09-23, 23:27
        
        Thanks Kermit - Cody Miller, 2016-09-24, 00:07
        
        Thanks Kermit - Ragashingo, 2016-09-23, 23:41
        
        But that contradicts known facts. - Ragashingo, 2016-09-23, 22:05
        
        But that contradicts known facts. - Avateur, 2016-09-23, 23:36
        
        +1 - SonofMacPhisto, 2016-09-24, 11:16
        
        But that contradicts known facts. - Kermit, 2016-09-25, 15:43
        
        But that contradicts known facts. - Avateur, 2016-09-25, 16:07
        
        But that contradicts known facts. - Ragashingo, 2016-09-25, 18:02
        
        But that contradicts known facts. - Cody Miller, 2016-09-25, 18:43
        
        But that contradicts known facts. - Ragashingo, 2016-09-25, 20:26
        
        But that contradicts known facts. - Avateur, 2016-09-26, 02:38
        
        But that contradicts known facts. - Kermit, 2016-09-26, 15:45
        
        But that contradicts known facts. - Cody Miller, 2016-09-26, 17:59
        
        But that contradicts known facts. - Kermit, 2016-09-26, 18:28
        
        That's certainly how it feels - Kahzgul, 2016-09-23, 18:16
      - +1 for your last paragraph - BeardFade, 2016-09-22, 21:20
      - I lol'd at that last paragraph. - Revenant1988, 2016-09-22, 22:30
      - lol - SonofMacPhisto, 2016-09-23, 09:57
      - I mean, you're not wrong. - Kermit, 2016-09-23, 14:04
  - I mean, you're not wrong. - EffortlessFury, 2016-09-22, 23:32
    - +1 - CyberKN, 2016-09-23, 03:42
  - I mean, you're not wrong. - Cody Miller, 2016-09-24, 03:57
    - RIP Speaker - narcogen, 2016-09-24, 06:05
      - RIP Speaker - Kahzgul, 2016-09-24, 06:07
        
        Shiro feels so odd to me - ZackDark, 2016-09-24, 13:19
        
        Shiro feels so odd to me - Korny, 2016-09-24, 14:32
      - RIP Speaker - SonofMacPhisto, 2016-09-24, 11:22
        
        RIP Speaker - narcogen, 2016-09-24, 15:04
        
        RIP Speaker - Cody Miller, 2016-09-25, 13:26
    - I mean, you're not wrong. - Kahzgul, 2016-09-24, 06:05
  - Losing the plot. - narcogen, 2016-09-24, 06:12
    - Losing the plot. - Kahzgul, 2016-09-24, 15:02
      - Losing the plot. - narcogen, 2016-09-24, 15:11
        
        Losing the plot. - cheapLEY, 2016-09-26, 00:20
        
        +1 - Avateur, 2016-09-26, 02:40
        
        Losing the plot. - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-09-26, 18:37
        
        Losing the plot. - Cody Miller, 2016-09-26, 19:01
        
        Losing the plot. - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-09-26, 21:11
        
        Losing the plot. - Cody Miller, 2016-09-26, 21:13
        
        Losing the plot. - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-09-26, 22:17
        
        Losing the plot. - ProbablyLast, 2016-09-26, 23:56
      - Losing the plot. - Cody Miller, 2016-09-24, 18:07
        
        Cryptarch, also - narcogen, 2016-09-25, 09:50
- You could say RoI has a poor ROI... - Oholiab, 2016-09-22, 19:30
- I can barely even call it a story - Avateur, 2016-09-22, 23:28
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story - Ragashingo, 2016-09-23, 05:05
  - Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story - Harmanimus, 2016-09-23, 07:45
    - Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story *Spoilers* - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-09-23, 10:50
      - Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story *More Spoilers* - Xenos, 2016-09-23, 12:42
        
        Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story *More Spoilers* - someotherguy, 2016-09-26, 12:18
        
        Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story *More Spoilers* - Ragashingo, 2016-09-26, 12:28
    - Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story - dogcow, 2016-09-23, 13:01
      - Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story - Blackt1g3r, 2016-09-23, 13:40
        
        They are tiny Fallen shanks. - CyberKN, 2016-09-23, 13:59
    - Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story - Ragashingo, 2016-09-23, 16:26
      - Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story - Ragashingo, 2016-09-25, 07:13
  - Not Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story Telling - dogcow, 2016-09-23, 13:13
  - The real threat - narcogen, 2016-09-24, 15:13
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story - Cody Miller, 2016-09-23, 14:12
- Lesson Learned - BeardFade, 2016-09-24, 14:38
  - Unchecked for you - Xenos, 2016-09-24, 14:47
    - Ha, Thanks! - BeardFade, 2016-09-24, 22:43
  - Airplane mode - Blackt1g3r, 2016-09-25, 00:45
    - Airplane mode - cheapLEY, 2016-09-25, 21:32
      - "Do Not Disturb" mode. - marmot 1333, 2016-09-26, 17:33
- SIVA in the Grimoire - someotherguy, 2016-09-26, 11:28
  - SIVA in the Grimoire - Cody Miller, 2016-09-26, 18:02
    - SIVA in the Grimoire - petetheduck, 2016-09-26, 21:49

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