But that contradicts known facts. (Destiny)
Two very concrete examples:
1. Ghost Fragment: Vex, Ghost Fragment: Vex 2, and Ghost Fragment: Vex 3 all shipped with Destiny 1.0 and are part of the origin story of the Exo Stranger and the Future War Cult. How did Bungie not know the origin of the Exo Stranger if the game shipped with it?
Everything they wrote when it shipped was the extent to which they had planned anything out.
2. There's a game magazine interview with Jason Jones before the launch of Destiny where he talked about a huge ship in orbit of Saturn that was so big it would be its own destination. (I always forget which magazine it was in, but as a stand in here's an IGN article from Feb 2013 that talks about derelict fleets around Saturn and mile long Tomb Ships.) How can you claim there was no story outline if Oryx's arrival was slyly referenced more than two years before it happened?
Because the dreadnaught (and many other elements) was originally supposed to be in the initial release. You can verify this yourself by reading any of the articles about Destiny's development troubles, plus the reference in the 2013 video to going to Saturn. This was cut and repurposed for TTK.
Maybe you misheard what someone told you or you misinterpreted it? Maybe the person who told you these things wasn't in a position to know or told you something false to see what you would do with it? Maybe you're taking a partial truth and inflating it to be something it was never meant to be?
Or maybe you made it up.
The problem is, how can anybody tell if you what you claim is anywhere near the truth if you repeatedly refuse to give a source or a quote or a context?
Do you not see why I don't want to reveal sources yet? If you want footnotes, read the book when it comes out. You can ignore my posts and not believe them otherwise.
Don't you see how you dropping these nuggets of "truth" whenever it suits your purposes is a dick move? if you are going to fancy yourself an industry insider, or a journalist revealing the true story of Destiny's development, show a little discretion until you can tell a compete narrative that we can fairly judge. Also, you said your book is not about Destiny. So what the hell?
I know you're obsessed with proving yourself absolutely right about everything, and if you weren't that way, i'd cut you slack. It's no surprise to me that you don't see the value of ambiguity in art.
Complete thread:
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
BeardFade,
2016-09-22, 18:27
- About hiding it from everyone *SP?* -
ZackDark,
2016-09-22, 18:36
- About hiding it from everyone *SP?* - Xenos, 2016-09-22, 18:44
- About hiding it from everyone *SP?* - stabbim, 2016-09-23, 11:27
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
ChrisTheeCrappy,
2016-09-22, 18:40
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
cheapLEY,
2016-09-22, 18:59
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story - Kahzgul, 2016-09-22, 19:06
- But... we still need to finish the refer-a-friend quest! ;) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-22, 19:14
- LOL - cheapLEY, 2016-09-22, 19:52
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
cheapLEY,
2016-09-22, 18:59
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
dogcow,
2016-09-22, 18:44
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
BeardFade,
2016-09-22, 18:48
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-22, 19:07
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story - Blackt1g3r, 2016-09-23, 13:01
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
Coaxkez,
2016-09-23, 07:41
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 13:59
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story - Blackt1g3r, 2016-09-23, 15:05
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 13:59
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-22, 19:07
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
BeardFade,
2016-09-22, 18:48
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Kahzgul,
2016-09-22, 19:01
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-22, 19:16
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Kahzgul,
2016-09-22, 20:51
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
cheapLEY,
2016-09-22, 21:18
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Kermit,
2016-09-23, 14:11
- I mean, you're not wrong. - Avateur, 2016-09-23, 16:02
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 16:13
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Claude Errera,
2016-09-23, 16:20
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 16:26
- I mean, you're not wrong. - narcogen, 2016-09-24, 15:15
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 16:26
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Avateur,
2016-09-23, 16:24
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 16:27
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Avateur,
2016-09-23, 16:32
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Kermit,
2016-09-23, 16:57
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 17:06
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Claude Errera,
2016-09-23, 17:25
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 17:42
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Claude Errera,
2016-09-23, 17:44
- I mean, you're not wrong. - Cody Miller, 2016-09-23, 17:45
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Claude Errera,
2016-09-23, 17:44
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 17:42
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Claude Errera,
2016-09-23, 17:25
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-23, 17:41
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 17:45
- I mean, you're not wrong. - uberfoop, 2016-09-23, 18:08
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-23, 18:16
- I mean, you're not wrong. - Kahzgul, 2016-09-23, 20:23
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 17:45
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 17:06
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Kermit,
2016-09-23, 16:57
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Avateur,
2016-09-23, 16:32
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 16:27
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Claude Errera,
2016-09-23, 16:20
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 14:17
- Source? -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-23, 15:46
- Once again, primary source. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 16:07
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-23, 20:00
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 20:22
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Kermit,
2016-09-23, 21:31
- But that contradicts known facts. - Cody Miller, 2016-09-23, 22:17
- Thanks Kermit -
Pyromancy,
2016-09-23, 22:42
- Thanks Kermit -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 22:50
- Axiom: It's not what you say, but how you say it. - INSANEdrive, 2016-09-23, 23:00
- Thanks Kermit -
Kermit,
2016-09-23, 23:04
- Thanks Kermit -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 23:13
- Thanks Kermit -
Kermit,
2016-09-23, 23:27
- Thanks Kermit - Cody Miller, 2016-09-24, 00:07
- Thanks Kermit -
Kermit,
2016-09-23, 23:27
- Thanks Kermit -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 23:13
- Thanks Kermit - Ragashingo, 2016-09-23, 23:41
- Thanks Kermit -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 22:50
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-23, 22:05
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Avateur,
2016-09-23, 23:36
- +1 - SonofMacPhisto, 2016-09-24, 11:16
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Kermit,
2016-09-25, 15:43
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Avateur,
2016-09-25, 16:07
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-25, 18:02
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-25, 18:43
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-25, 20:26
- But that contradicts known facts. - Avateur, 2016-09-26, 02:38
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Kermit,
2016-09-26, 15:45
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-26, 17:59
- But that contradicts known facts. - Kermit, 2016-09-26, 18:28
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-26, 17:59
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-25, 20:26
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-25, 18:43
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-25, 18:02
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Avateur,
2016-09-25, 16:07
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Avateur,
2016-09-23, 23:36
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Kermit,
2016-09-23, 21:31
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 20:22
- But that contradicts known facts. -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-23, 20:00
- Once again, primary source. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-23, 16:07
- That's certainly how it feels - Kahzgul, 2016-09-23, 18:16
- Source? -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-23, 15:46
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Kermit,
2016-09-23, 14:11
- +1 for your last paragraph - BeardFade, 2016-09-22, 21:20
- I lol'd at that last paragraph. - Revenant1988, 2016-09-22, 22:30
- lol - SonofMacPhisto, 2016-09-23, 09:57
- I mean, you're not wrong. - Kermit, 2016-09-23, 14:04
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
cheapLEY,
2016-09-22, 21:18
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Kahzgul,
2016-09-22, 20:51
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
EffortlessFury,
2016-09-22, 23:32
- +1 - CyberKN, 2016-09-23, 03:42
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-24, 03:57
- RIP Speaker -
narcogen,
2016-09-24, 06:05
- RIP Speaker -
Kahzgul,
2016-09-24, 06:07
- Shiro feels so odd to me -
ZackDark,
2016-09-24, 13:19
- Shiro feels so odd to me - Korny, 2016-09-24, 14:32
- Shiro feels so odd to me -
ZackDark,
2016-09-24, 13:19
- RIP Speaker -
SonofMacPhisto,
2016-09-24, 11:22
- RIP Speaker -
narcogen,
2016-09-24, 15:04
- RIP Speaker - Cody Miller, 2016-09-25, 13:26
- RIP Speaker -
narcogen,
2016-09-24, 15:04
- RIP Speaker -
Kahzgul,
2016-09-24, 06:07
- I mean, you're not wrong. - Kahzgul, 2016-09-24, 06:05
- RIP Speaker -
narcogen,
2016-09-24, 06:05
- Losing the plot. -
narcogen,
2016-09-24, 06:12
- Losing the plot. -
Kahzgul,
2016-09-24, 15:02
- Losing the plot. -
narcogen,
2016-09-24, 15:11
- Losing the plot. -
cheapLEY,
2016-09-26, 00:20
- +1 - Avateur, 2016-09-26, 02:40
- Losing the plot. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-26, 18:37
- Losing the plot. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-26, 19:01
- Losing the plot. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-26, 21:11
- Losing the plot. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-26, 21:13
- Losing the plot. - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-09-26, 22:17
- Losing the plot. - ProbablyLast, 2016-09-26, 23:56
- Losing the plot. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-26, 21:13
- Losing the plot. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-26, 21:11
- Losing the plot. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-26, 19:01
- Losing the plot. -
cheapLEY,
2016-09-26, 00:20
- Losing the plot. -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-24, 18:07
- Cryptarch, also - narcogen, 2016-09-25, 09:50
- Losing the plot. -
narcogen,
2016-09-24, 15:11
- Losing the plot. -
Kahzgul,
2016-09-24, 15:02
- I mean, you're not wrong. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-22, 19:16
- You could say RoI has a poor ROI... - Oholiab, 2016-09-22, 19:30
- I can barely even call it a story - Avateur, 2016-09-22, 23:28
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-23, 05:05
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
Harmanimus,
2016-09-23, 07:45
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story *Spoilers* -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-23, 10:50
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story *More Spoilers* -
Xenos,
2016-09-23, 12:42
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story *More Spoilers* -
someotherguy,
2016-09-26, 12:18
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story *More Spoilers* - Ragashingo, 2016-09-26, 12:28
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story *More Spoilers* -
someotherguy,
2016-09-26, 12:18
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story *More Spoilers* -
Xenos,
2016-09-23, 12:42
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
dogcow,
2016-09-23, 13:01
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
Blackt1g3r,
2016-09-23, 13:40
- They are tiny Fallen shanks. - CyberKN, 2016-09-23, 13:59
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
Blackt1g3r,
2016-09-23, 13:40
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
Ragashingo,
2016-09-23, 16:26
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story - Ragashingo, 2016-09-25, 07:13
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story *Spoilers* -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-09-23, 10:50
- Not Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story Telling - dogcow, 2016-09-23, 13:13
- The real threat - narcogen, 2016-09-24, 15:13
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story -
Harmanimus,
2016-09-23, 07:45
- Underwhelmed with Rise of Iron Story - Cody Miller, 2016-09-23, 14:12
- Lesson Learned -
BeardFade,
2016-09-24, 14:38
- Unchecked for you -
Xenos,
2016-09-24, 14:47
- Ha, Thanks! - BeardFade, 2016-09-24, 22:43
- Airplane mode -
Blackt1g3r,
2016-09-25, 00:45
- Airplane mode -
cheapLEY,
2016-09-25, 21:32
- "Do Not Disturb" mode. - marmot 1333, 2016-09-26, 17:33
- Airplane mode -
cheapLEY,
2016-09-25, 21:32
- Unchecked for you -
Xenos,
2016-09-24, 14:47
- SIVA in the Grimoire -
someotherguy,
2016-09-26, 11:28
- SIVA in the Grimoire -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-26, 18:02
- SIVA in the Grimoire - petetheduck, 2016-09-26, 21:49
- SIVA in the Grimoire -
Cody Miller,
2016-09-26, 18:02
- About hiding it from everyone *SP?* -
ZackDark,
2016-09-22, 18:36