
State of the Crucible (Destiny)
Make range and impact on shotguns inverse. Long rage on the low impact archtype, and low range on the high impact. Not my idea but when you think about it it makes so much goddamn sense.
Thanks :)
The only time I really rage at shotguns is when I get hit from ridiculous ranges. If you have a PC+1 or Matador with range perks, you are golden. If not, you suffer. I was trying out the raid shotgun in clash yesterday and I kept leaving warlocks with a sliver of life, and they would melee me and get their health back. Flipping impact/range would fix this.
Destiny PVP is very, very mobile. In fact Bungie has greatly reduced that mobility with the Titan skate and Hunter/Warlock blink nerfs in order to reduce the shotgun warrioring. The main problem these days is that with the range nerfs on primaries, it is still too easy to get within OHK range with a perfect shotgun.
I don't want the old Halo shotguns, where if you weren't 6 feet away it did no damage. Lord of Wolves and the Chaperone have good range, and you don't see people spamming either. The key is those don't OHK unless you get headshots, which is a bit more skill based.
Add in some more open maps, you rarely saw shotguns on First Light, for example, and we should be set. Right now I think Bungie's move away from large vehicle maps, because they couldn't balance interceptors like the did with Warthogs, ghosts and tanks in Halo, really puts the kibosh on the longer range specials outside of Trials and 3v3 game modes.
Complete thread:
- State of the Crucible -
ChaosSociety,
2016-10-25, 23:14
- State of the Crucible -
EffortlessFury,
2016-10-25, 23:19
- Yep -
someotherguy,
2016-10-26, 01:43
- Yep -
ZackDark,
2016-10-26, 01:46
- Yep -
someotherguy,
2016-10-26, 01:50
- Yep -
Dundre,
2016-10-28, 09:51
- Not in Trials though -
someotherguy,
2016-10-28, 12:05
- Not in Trials though -
Cody Miller,
2016-10-28, 12:18
- Kudos to your carries
- someotherguy, 2016-10-28, 13:16
- I will say... -
Korny,
2016-10-28, 13:28
- I will say... - Cody Miller, 2016-10-28, 14:30
- I will say... - CyberKN, 2016-10-28, 14:50
- Not gold - someotherguy, 2016-10-28, 16:33
- I will say... -
Korny,
2016-10-28, 13:28
- Not in Trials though - squidnh3, 2016-10-28, 13:40
- Kudos to your carries
- Not in Trials though -
Cody Miller,
2016-10-28, 12:18
- Not in Trials though -
someotherguy,
2016-10-28, 12:05
- Yep -
Dundre,
2016-10-28, 09:51
- Yep -
someotherguy,
2016-10-26, 01:50
- Yep -
ZackDark,
2016-10-26, 01:46
- Yep -
someotherguy,
2016-10-26, 01:43
- State of the Crucible -
Avateur,
2016-10-26, 00:18
- State of the Crucible -
Cody Miller,
2016-10-26, 01:23
- State of the Crucible - Durandal, 2016-10-26, 12:20
- State of the Crucible - Blackt1g3r, 2016-10-26, 12:35
- State of the Crucible -
Cody Miller,
2016-10-26, 01:23
- State of the Crucible - squidnh3, 2016-10-26, 01:17
- I too miss Thorn -
someotherguy,
2016-10-26, 01:40
- I too miss Thorn -
Grizzlei,
2016-10-26, 02:32
- I too miss Thorn -
Avateur,
2016-10-26, 03:08
- I too miss Thorn - cheapLEY, 2016-10-26, 12:15
- I too miss Thorn -
squidnh3,
2016-10-26, 09:20
- I too miss Thorn - Harmanimus, 2016-10-26, 15:17
- I too miss Thorn -
unoudid,
2016-10-26, 12:27
- I cringed
- ZackDark, 2016-10-26, 13:56
- I too miss Thorn -
Claude Errera,
2016-10-26, 15:05
- I too miss Thorn -
unoudid,
2016-10-26, 15:29
- I too miss Thorn -
Claude Errera,
2016-10-26, 15:35
- I too miss Thorn - unoudid, 2016-10-26, 15:58
- I too miss Thorn -
Claude Errera,
2016-10-26, 15:35
- I too miss Thorn -
unoudid,
2016-10-26, 15:29
- I cringed
- Thorn + Firebolt DoT was unstoppable
- Schedonnardus, 2016-10-26, 13:07
- I too miss Thorn -
Avateur,
2016-10-26, 03:08
- I too miss Thorn -
Grizzlei,
2016-10-26, 02:32
- Primaries definitely need a buff. - ProbablyLast, 2016-10-26, 02:23
- State of the Crucible -
unoudid,
2016-10-26, 11:42
- State of the Crucible - Kuga, 2016-10-26, 13:31
- Why Bungie Can't Get it Right (from a design standpoint) -
Kahzgul,
2016-10-26, 18:42
- *Looks down at Trespasser in my hand* *scoffs at Shotguns*
- Korny, 2016-10-26, 19:01
- Good Point - Kahzgul, 2016-10-26, 21:55
- It seems like you want and enjoy "sniper camp-fests"? -
Pyromancy,
2016-10-26, 19:11
- It seems like you want and enjoy "sniper camp-fests"? -
Kahzgul,
2016-10-26, 21:40
- Interesting, not sure if fully balanced. Good reply, thanks
- Pyromancy, 2016-10-26, 22:06
- Thanks :) -
Kahzgul,
2016-10-26, 23:25
- On Titan Skating -
someotherguy,
2016-10-27, 07:44
- On Titan Skating -
Kahzgul,
2016-10-27, 14:47
- On Titan Skating -
someotherguy,
2016-10-27, 16:06
- On Titan Skating -
Kahzgul,
2016-10-27, 16:26
- On Titan Skating - someotherguy, 2016-10-27, 18:09
- On Titan Skating -
Kahzgul,
2016-10-27, 16:26
- On Titan Skating -
someotherguy,
2016-10-27, 16:06
- On Titan Skating -
Kahzgul,
2016-10-27, 14:47
- On Titan Skating -
someotherguy,
2016-10-27, 07:44
- Thanks :) -
Kahzgul,
2016-10-26, 23:25
- I like it -
Mid7night,
2016-10-27, 15:35
- 1 Sniper + 1 Spotter -
DiscipleN2k,
2016-10-27, 15:45
- Before crazy boost jumping, this was how CoD played -
Kahzgul,
2016-10-27, 16:32
- Before crazy boost jumping, this was how CoD played -
SonofMacPhisto,
2016-10-27, 19:09
- Anyone with BF4 on Xbone wanna do this? - ZackDark, 2016-10-27, 19:33
- Before crazy boost jumping, this was how CoD played - Kahzgul, 2016-10-27, 21:01
- Helldivers had a great mechanic for Launchers - someotherguy, 2016-10-27, 22:43
- Before crazy boost jumping, this was how CoD played -
SonofMacPhisto,
2016-10-27, 19:09
- Before crazy boost jumping, this was how CoD played -
Kahzgul,
2016-10-27, 16:32
- 1 Sniper + 1 Spotter -
DiscipleN2k,
2016-10-27, 15:45
- Interesting, not sure if fully balanced. Good reply, thanks
- It seems like you want and enjoy "sniper camp-fests"? -
Kahzgul,
2016-10-26, 21:40
- There is an alternative -
Durandal,
2016-10-26, 19:22
- Fusion Rifles with Skip Rounds are great for that - ZackDark, 2016-10-26, 21:00
- There is an alternative - Kahzgul, 2016-10-26, 21:41
- Why Bungie Can't Get it Right (from a design standpoint) -
Claude Errera,
2016-10-26, 19:27
- Why Bungie Can't Get it Right (from a design standpoint) -
Cody Miller,
2016-10-26, 20:07
- Why Bungie Can't Get it Right (from a design standpoint) -
Claude Errera,
2016-10-26, 20:27
- Why Bungie Can't Get it Right (from a design standpoint) - Durandal, 2016-10-27, 15:21
- Why Bungie Can't Get it Right (from a design standpoint) -
Claude Errera,
2016-10-26, 20:27
- Why Bungie Can't Get it Right (from a design standpoint) - Kahzgul, 2016-10-26, 21:53
- Why Bungie Can't Get it Right (from a design standpoint) -
Cody Miller,
2016-10-26, 20:07
- Why Bungie Can't Get it Right (from a design standpoint) - dogcow, 2016-10-26, 19:37
- Why Bungie Can't Get it Right (from a design standpoint) -
Harmanimus,
2016-10-27, 15:41
- Why Bungie Can't Get it Right (from a design standpoint) -
Kahzgul,
2016-10-27, 16:30
- Why Bungie Can't Get it Right (from a design standpoint) -
Harmanimus,
2016-10-27, 16:42
- Something something absolutes -
someotherguy,
2016-10-27, 18:12
- Something something absolutes -
Harmanimus,
2016-10-27, 18:19
- Something something absolutes - Kahzgul, 2016-10-27, 20:59
- Something something absolutes -
Harmanimus,
2016-10-27, 18:19
- Something something absolutes -
someotherguy,
2016-10-27, 18:12
- Why Bungie Can't Get it Right (from a design standpoint) -
Harmanimus,
2016-10-27, 16:42
- Why Bungie Can't Get it Right (from a design standpoint) -
Kahzgul,
2016-10-27, 16:30
- Why Bungie Can't Get it Right (from a design standpoint) -
Cody Miller,
2016-10-28, 11:25
- Maybe not in the low SBMM bracket ;p - someotherguy, 2016-10-28, 12:11
- Why Bungie Can't Get it Right (from a design standpoint) -
Ragashingo,
2016-10-28, 14:50
- Why Bungie Can't Get it Right (from a design standpoint) - Kahzgul, 2016-10-30, 03:41
- Why Bungie Can't Get it Right (from a design standpoint) - Kahzgul, 2016-10-30, 03:34
- Great points re: map design -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-10-28, 21:51
- Great points re: map design -
Kahzgul,
2016-10-30, 03:47
- Skyshock, First Light, Bastion... - Durandal, 2016-10-30, 12:06
- Great points re: map design -
Kahzgul,
2016-10-30, 03:47
- *Looks down at Trespasser in my hand* *scoffs at Shotguns*
- State of the Crucible -
EffortlessFury,
2016-10-25, 23:19