Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) (Gaming)
About 6 months before the release of the film, I read an interview with one of the producers (can't find it right now, but I'll try to track it down). At one point, when asked about Darth Vader's role in the film, the producer said something to the effect of: It's a small, but significant role. At this point in the story, Vader isn't exactly public knowledge. He's kinda like the boogie man. Nobody in the rebellion is even sure if he's real. So he's basically this shadowy figure looming in the background.
Except, ya know, A New Hope established him as someone who was clearly known about, and who had a reputation. It was also clear that even he was subordinate to the Imperial Senate."Lord Vader, I should have known. Only you could be so bold."
Right... we care about him because of previous movies. But there is nothing done in this movie to justify his inclusion, other than some lightsaber porn.I'm totally cool if the filmmakers are going to say "look, this movie is just one part of a long, complex series of movies, so don't expect us to explain everything or who everyone is". That's totally cool. I can run with that. But each movie in such a franchise still needs to tell a compelling and complete story. If you're going to include characters, the writers need to come up with a good reason for them to be there.
Right, but Vader's appearance in the end of the film is set up in the minutes leading up to it. It's stated that he's going to be the one taking care of the rebels in space, and when his ship shows up, it's massive and powerful. It's an "oh crap" moment in and of itself. That he appears again isn't out of nowhere, as his presence has been established and felt.
You could make the argument about his appearance earlier in the film when Krennic visits Vader on Mustafar. But the Star Wars series always does this. When the Emperor showed up in A New Hope, did we have an explained reason to care? When he showed up in Phantom Menace?
What about Snoke? Or almost literally everyone in The Force Awakens? Leia especially just shows up and everyone moves on. Why should we care about this character? The film assumes you do, and moves on. So I don't think the Rogue One ending is any more "egregious" about it than everything else in that film or franchise...
Complete thread:
- How to make a successful game to movie adaptation -
Cody Miller,
2018-03-18, 10:11
- Exactly. - Ragashingo, 2018-03-18, 10:28
- So you're saying they shouldn't make The Last of Us movie? -
Kermit,
2018-03-18, 11:22
- I'm torn. -
cheapLEY,
2018-03-18, 11:42
- I'm worried about the timing -
ZackDark,
2018-03-18, 12:22
- When considering adaptations . . . -
Harmanimus,
2018-03-19, 17:23
- When considering adaptations . . . -
cheapLEY,
2018-03-19, 17:32
- When considering adaptations . . . - Harmanimus, 2018-03-19, 17:53
- When considering adaptations . . . -
cheapLEY,
2018-03-19, 17:32
- When considering adaptations . . . -
Harmanimus,
2018-03-19, 17:23
- I'm torn. - Cody Miller, 2018-03-18, 13:03
- I'm worried about the timing -
ZackDark,
2018-03-18, 12:22
- They should not -
Cody Miller,
2018-03-18, 12:48
- +1 - CruelLEGACEY, 2018-03-18, 13:14
- Haven’t even read Cody’s original post, and I agree... - Korny, 2018-03-18, 14:59
- Why not? -
Kermit,
2018-03-19, 07:52
- Why not? -
Cody Miller,
2018-03-19, 09:00
- Why not? - Kermit, 2018-03-19, 09:56
- Why not? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-19, 09:03
- Why not? -
Kermit,
2018-03-19, 10:31
- Why not? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-19, 11:53
- Why not? -
Kermit,
2018-03-19, 12:53
- Why not? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-19, 13:51
- Why not? -
Korny,
2018-03-19, 14:00
- Why not? - CruelLEGACEY, 2018-03-19, 14:12
- 2 bullets is a lot if you can't hit anything with them. - Harmanimus, 2018-03-19, 18:14
- Why not? - Kermit, 2018-03-19, 14:29
- Why not? -
Korny,
2018-03-19, 14:00
- Why not? -
Ragashingo,
2018-03-19, 14:09
- Why not? - Kermit, 2018-03-19, 14:44
- Why not? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-19, 13:51
- Not always how the cookie crumbles. - Harmanimus, 2018-03-19, 17:59
- Why not? -
Kermit,
2018-03-19, 12:53
- Why not? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-19, 11:53
- Why not? -
Kermit,
2018-03-19, 10:31
- Why not? -
Cody Miller,
2018-03-19, 09:00
- I'm torn. -
cheapLEY,
2018-03-18, 11:42
- One other option -
Blackt1g3r,
2018-03-18, 21:19
- One other option -
Cody Miller,
2018-03-18, 22:11
- Wait, wait, wait... :) -
Ragashingo,
2018-03-18, 22:39
- Wait, wait, wait... :) - Cody Miller, 2018-03-18, 22:57
- One other option -
cheapLEY,
2018-03-19, 05:42
- One other option -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-19, 07:08
- One other option -
Blackt1g3r,
2018-03-19, 08:45
- One other option - CruelLEGACEY, 2018-03-19, 12:00
- The end of R1 is awesome. You. Me. We gonna fight. :) -
Ragashingo,
2018-03-19, 11:18
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-19, 12:14
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Korny,
2018-03-19, 12:28
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-19, 12:34
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Korny,
2018-03-19, 12:49
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) - Cody Miller, 2018-03-20, 08:17
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) - Cody Miller, 2018-03-20, 10:25
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Korny,
2018-03-19, 12:49
- I agree with both of you - ZackDark, 2018-03-19, 12:35
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-19, 12:34
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-19, 13:46
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-19, 14:06
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-19, 15:25
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) - CruelLEGACEY, 2018-03-19, 18:06
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Harmanimus,
2018-03-19, 18:54
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 02:09
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-20, 05:07
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 05:22
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-20, 05:38
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) - Kermit, 2018-03-20, 06:58
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) - Ragashingo, 2018-03-20, 08:40
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) - Cody Miller, 2018-03-20, 18:03
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-20, 05:38
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 05:22
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
cheapLEY,
2018-03-20, 06:31
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 07:11
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
cheapLEY,
2018-03-20, 08:43
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 09:35
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Harmanimus,
2018-03-20, 09:48
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) - Kermit, 2018-03-20, 10:07
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
cheapLEY,
2018-03-20, 15:09
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 15:51
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) - cheapLEY, 2018-03-20, 17:03
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Cody Miller,
2018-03-20, 18:01
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 18:45
- Taking a break. - Kermit, 2018-03-20, 19:08
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 18:45
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 15:51
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Harmanimus,
2018-03-20, 09:48
- +VIII - Harmanimus, 2018-03-20, 09:47
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 09:35
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
cheapLEY,
2018-03-20, 08:43
- The Last Jedi - cheapLEY, 2018-03-30, 17:36
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 07:11
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Cody Miller,
2018-03-20, 18:26
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) - Kermit, 2018-03-20, 19:21
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-20, 05:07
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 02:09
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Cody Miller,
2018-03-20, 18:21
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 19:03
- (Deeper into politics, but I feel needed to be said) -
Harmanimus,
2018-03-21, 19:23
- We need examples of good as well as bad, though -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-22, 08:36
- We need examples of good as well as bad, though -
Harmanimus,
2018-03-22, 09:33
- We need examples of good as well as bad, though - CruelLEGACEY, 2018-03-22, 09:38
- We need examples of good as well as bad, though -
Harmanimus,
2018-03-22, 09:33
- We need examples of good as well as bad, though -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-22, 08:36
- (Deeper into politics, but I feel needed to be said) -
Harmanimus,
2018-03-21, 19:23
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 19:03
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-19, 15:25
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-19, 14:06
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
cheapLEY,
2018-03-19, 14:47
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Harmanimus,
2018-03-19, 18:35
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
cheapLEY,
2018-03-19, 18:44
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) - Harmanimus, 2018-03-19, 19:00
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
cheapLEY,
2018-03-19, 18:44
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Cody Miller,
2018-03-20, 18:23
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 18:55
- I went into RO with low hopes, doing the same for SOLO. - Harmanimus, 2018-03-21, 19:24
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 18:55
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Harmanimus,
2018-03-19, 18:35
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Harmanimus,
2018-03-19, 18:29
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Funkmon,
2018-03-20, 02:18
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-20, 05:57
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Cody Miller,
2018-03-20, 07:34
- +1 - Kermit, 2018-03-20, 07:52
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-20, 08:40
- +1 - breitzen, 2018-03-20, 08:45
- -∞ - Cody Miller, 2018-03-20, 10:28
- George Lucas has made two perfect movies. -
Funkmon,
2018-03-20, 10:43
- Any GL film above THX1138? Disgusting. -
Harmanimus,
2018-03-20, 10:50
- Any GL film above American Graffiti? Disgusting. -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 11:57
- THX1138 was influential on my childhood. -
Harmanimus,
2018-03-20, 14:28
- It's a good one. - Kermit, 2018-03-20, 15:17
- THX1138 was influential on my childhood. -
Harmanimus,
2018-03-20, 14:28
- Any GL film above American Graffiti? Disgusting. -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 11:57
- George Lucas has made two perfect movies. -
Cody Miller,
2018-03-20, 12:22
- George Lucas has made two perfect movies. -
cheapLEY,
2018-03-20, 12:46
- I... I think I can agree with this. All of this. -
Claude Errera,
2018-03-20, 14:46
- ROFL - CruelLEGACEY, 2018-03-20, 16:18
- I... I think I can agree with this. All of this. -
Claude Errera,
2018-03-20, 14:46
- George Lucas has made two perfect movies. -
cheapLEY,
2018-03-20, 12:46
- Any GL film above THX1138? Disgusting. -
Harmanimus,
2018-03-20, 10:50
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Cody Miller,
2018-03-20, 07:34
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-20, 05:57
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Funkmon,
2018-03-20, 02:18
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) - Avateur, 2018-03-24, 22:48
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Korny,
2018-03-19, 12:28
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-19, 12:14
- One other option - Ragashingo, 2018-03-19, 11:38
- One other option -
Blackt1g3r,
2018-03-19, 08:45
- One other option -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-19, 07:08
- Wait, wait, wait... :) -
Ragashingo,
2018-03-18, 22:39
- Actually, I was thinking... -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-03-19, 07:39
- Actually, I was thinking... -
stabbim,
2018-03-19, 09:57
- Actually, I was thinking... - MacAddictXIV, 2018-03-19, 10:17
- Actually, I was thinking... -
stabbim,
2018-03-19, 09:57
- One other option -
Cody Miller,
2018-03-18, 22:11