Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) (Gaming)
So, two things that are important:
To answer your specific question, I'll give one example: there seems to be an intent to highlight "toxic masculinity" (a trendy construct that assumes toxicity is gendered)
The concept of toxic masculinity isn't "a trendy construct" nor does it assume that toxicity is gendered. Toxic masculinity is a very specific type of toxicity that is conditioned and trained into those who identify/present as male which has far reaching and vast negative consequences on their physical, emotional, and psychological health while also being detrimental to other facets of society in a far reaching nature. One can have masculinity without having it be toxic masculinity. The only examples that play up actual toxic masculinity in TLJ are from villains.
and to shame male attempts at boldness or sacrifice, which are traditional mythological tropes.
Which is totally in line with the traditional mythological tropes. There are three examples which normally get highlighted in these discussions regarding TLJ, Poe twice and Fynn once, as "masculine suppression" or however one would like to phrase it. All three of these are in direct contrast to Luke's sacrifice, which is actually not his death, as that is incidental.
1. Poe disobeys a direct order from a superior officer resulting in a Pyrrhic victory, which was otherwise avoidable.
2. Poe disregards appropriate protocol, continues disobedience of a superior, puts a plan in motion that gets a bunch of other people killed which would otherwise have been avoidable.
3. Fynn attempts to sacrifice himself in an effort to, umm, let me check my notes here . . . get killed accomplishing nothing but probably also making Poe and Rey really, really sad.
Hubris, hubris, and a reinterpretation of earlier cowardice. These are still in line with the mythological themes which were so interwoven into the core of the Original Trilogy. And in all three cases events which allowed for substantially more character growth which is also an important aspect of trials in traditional myth. I would say generally TLJ does a better job of supporting the mythological elements than TFA or quite a few large portions of the PT.
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- How to make a successful game to movie adaptation -
Cody Miller,
2018-03-18, 10:11
- Exactly. - Ragashingo, 2018-03-18, 10:28
- So you're saying they shouldn't make The Last of Us movie? -
Kermit,
2018-03-18, 11:22
- I'm torn. -
cheapLEY,
2018-03-18, 11:42
- I'm worried about the timing -
ZackDark,
2018-03-18, 12:22
- When considering adaptations . . . -
Harmanimus,
2018-03-19, 17:23
- When considering adaptations . . . -
cheapLEY,
2018-03-19, 17:32
- When considering adaptations . . . - Harmanimus, 2018-03-19, 17:53
- When considering adaptations . . . -
cheapLEY,
2018-03-19, 17:32
- When considering adaptations . . . -
Harmanimus,
2018-03-19, 17:23
- I'm torn. - Cody Miller, 2018-03-18, 13:03
- I'm worried about the timing -
ZackDark,
2018-03-18, 12:22
- They should not -
Cody Miller,
2018-03-18, 12:48
- +1 - CruelLEGACEY, 2018-03-18, 13:14
- Haven’t even read Cody’s original post, and I agree... - Korny, 2018-03-18, 14:59
- Why not? -
Kermit,
2018-03-19, 07:52
- Why not? -
Cody Miller,
2018-03-19, 09:00
- Why not? - Kermit, 2018-03-19, 09:56
- Why not? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-19, 09:03
- Why not? -
Kermit,
2018-03-19, 10:31
- Why not? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-19, 11:53
- Why not? -
Kermit,
2018-03-19, 12:53
- Why not? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-19, 13:51
- Why not? -
Korny,
2018-03-19, 14:00
- Why not? - CruelLEGACEY, 2018-03-19, 14:12
- 2 bullets is a lot if you can't hit anything with them. - Harmanimus, 2018-03-19, 18:14
- Why not? - Kermit, 2018-03-19, 14:29
- Why not? -
Korny,
2018-03-19, 14:00
- Why not? -
Ragashingo,
2018-03-19, 14:09
- Why not? - Kermit, 2018-03-19, 14:44
- Why not? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-19, 13:51
- Not always how the cookie crumbles. - Harmanimus, 2018-03-19, 17:59
- Why not? -
Kermit,
2018-03-19, 12:53
- Why not? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-19, 11:53
- Why not? -
Kermit,
2018-03-19, 10:31
- Why not? -
Cody Miller,
2018-03-19, 09:00
- I'm torn. -
cheapLEY,
2018-03-18, 11:42
- One other option -
Blackt1g3r,
2018-03-18, 21:19
- One other option -
Cody Miller,
2018-03-18, 22:11
- Wait, wait, wait... :) -
Ragashingo,
2018-03-18, 22:39
- Wait, wait, wait... :) - Cody Miller, 2018-03-18, 22:57
- One other option -
cheapLEY,
2018-03-19, 05:42
- One other option -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-19, 07:08
- One other option -
Blackt1g3r,
2018-03-19, 08:45
- One other option - CruelLEGACEY, 2018-03-19, 12:00
- The end of R1 is awesome. You. Me. We gonna fight. :) -
Ragashingo,
2018-03-19, 11:18
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-19, 12:14
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Korny,
2018-03-19, 12:28
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-19, 12:34
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Korny,
2018-03-19, 12:49
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) - Cody Miller, 2018-03-20, 08:17
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) - Cody Miller, 2018-03-20, 10:25
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Korny,
2018-03-19, 12:49
- I agree with both of you - ZackDark, 2018-03-19, 12:35
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-19, 12:34
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-19, 13:46
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-19, 14:06
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-19, 15:25
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) - CruelLEGACEY, 2018-03-19, 18:06
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Harmanimus,
2018-03-19, 18:54
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 02:09
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-20, 05:07
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 05:22
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-20, 05:38
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) - Kermit, 2018-03-20, 06:58
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) - Ragashingo, 2018-03-20, 08:40
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) - Cody Miller, 2018-03-20, 18:03
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-20, 05:38
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 05:22
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
cheapLEY,
2018-03-20, 06:31
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 07:11
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
cheapLEY,
2018-03-20, 08:43
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 09:35
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Harmanimus,
2018-03-20, 09:48
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) - Kermit, 2018-03-20, 10:07
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
cheapLEY,
2018-03-20, 15:09
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 15:51
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) - cheapLEY, 2018-03-20, 17:03
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Cody Miller,
2018-03-20, 18:01
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 18:45
- Taking a break. - Kermit, 2018-03-20, 19:08
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 18:45
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 15:51
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Harmanimus,
2018-03-20, 09:48
- +VIII - Harmanimus, 2018-03-20, 09:47
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 09:35
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
cheapLEY,
2018-03-20, 08:43
- The Last Jedi - cheapLEY, 2018-03-30, 17:36
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 07:11
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Cody Miller,
2018-03-20, 18:26
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) - Kermit, 2018-03-20, 19:21
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-20, 05:07
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 02:09
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Cody Miller,
2018-03-20, 18:21
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 19:03
- (Deeper into politics, but I feel needed to be said) -
Harmanimus,
2018-03-21, 19:23
- We need examples of good as well as bad, though -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-22, 08:36
- We need examples of good as well as bad, though -
Harmanimus,
2018-03-22, 09:33
- We need examples of good as well as bad, though - CruelLEGACEY, 2018-03-22, 09:38
- We need examples of good as well as bad, though -
Harmanimus,
2018-03-22, 09:33
- We need examples of good as well as bad, though -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-22, 08:36
- (Deeper into politics, but I feel needed to be said) -
Harmanimus,
2018-03-21, 19:23
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 19:03
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-19, 15:25
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-19, 14:06
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
cheapLEY,
2018-03-19, 14:47
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Harmanimus,
2018-03-19, 18:35
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
cheapLEY,
2018-03-19, 18:44
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) - Harmanimus, 2018-03-19, 19:00
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
cheapLEY,
2018-03-19, 18:44
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Cody Miller,
2018-03-20, 18:23
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 18:55
- I went into RO with low hopes, doing the same for SOLO. - Harmanimus, 2018-03-21, 19:24
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 18:55
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Harmanimus,
2018-03-19, 18:35
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Harmanimus,
2018-03-19, 18:29
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Funkmon,
2018-03-20, 02:18
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-20, 05:57
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Cody Miller,
2018-03-20, 07:34
- +1 - Kermit, 2018-03-20, 07:52
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-20, 08:40
- +1 - breitzen, 2018-03-20, 08:45
- -∞ - Cody Miller, 2018-03-20, 10:28
- George Lucas has made two perfect movies. -
Funkmon,
2018-03-20, 10:43
- Any GL film above THX1138? Disgusting. -
Harmanimus,
2018-03-20, 10:50
- Any GL film above American Graffiti? Disgusting. -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 11:57
- THX1138 was influential on my childhood. -
Harmanimus,
2018-03-20, 14:28
- It's a good one. - Kermit, 2018-03-20, 15:17
- THX1138 was influential on my childhood. -
Harmanimus,
2018-03-20, 14:28
- Any GL film above American Graffiti? Disgusting. -
Kermit,
2018-03-20, 11:57
- George Lucas has made two perfect movies. -
Cody Miller,
2018-03-20, 12:22
- George Lucas has made two perfect movies. -
cheapLEY,
2018-03-20, 12:46
- I... I think I can agree with this. All of this. -
Claude Errera,
2018-03-20, 14:46
- ROFL - CruelLEGACEY, 2018-03-20, 16:18
- I... I think I can agree with this. All of this. -
Claude Errera,
2018-03-20, 14:46
- George Lucas has made two perfect movies. -
cheapLEY,
2018-03-20, 12:46
- Any GL film above THX1138? Disgusting. -
Harmanimus,
2018-03-20, 10:50
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Cody Miller,
2018-03-20, 07:34
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-20, 05:57
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Funkmon,
2018-03-20, 02:18
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) - Avateur, 2018-03-24, 22:48
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
Korny,
2018-03-19, 12:28
- Hah... I should explain (Rogue 1 Spoilers) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-19, 12:14
- One other option - Ragashingo, 2018-03-19, 11:38
- One other option -
Blackt1g3r,
2018-03-19, 08:45
- One other option -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-03-19, 07:08
- Wait, wait, wait... :) -
Ragashingo,
2018-03-18, 22:39
- Actually, I was thinking... -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-03-19, 07:39
- Actually, I was thinking... -
stabbim,
2018-03-19, 09:57
- Actually, I was thinking... - MacAddictXIV, 2018-03-19, 10:17
- Actually, I was thinking... -
stabbim,
2018-03-19, 09:57
- One other option -
Cody Miller,
2018-03-18, 22:11