Am I the only one around here
You're twisting their words there, though. Jumping between the graphics in Limbo and Space Invaders in pretty extreme, cross generational, and largely irrelevant?
That's not the point. The point is that so many people responded positively to the atmosphere of Limbo. Narcogen and JIllybean even say that's one of the big reasons they love the game. If the graphics in Limbo had not been able to do that, then I don't think anybody would have paid it much attention. Limbo is an example of graphics making the game significantly better.
The graphics are the primary way you respond to a game. As such, their quality and art direction has a huge impact on how you perceive the game. As you point out, yes you have to have graphics appropriate to your game, but can you imagine making limbo on the NES? Would it have the impact it had? Nope. It would have just been a dull platformer that would have been instantly forgotten.
The quality and art direction can be judged separately from level of detail, level of realism, and all the tech specs that people usually talk about when they talk about what a graphic engine will do, which is what I thought we were talking about.
The graphics for LIMBO were pretty basic technologically speaking, but the art direction was stellar and suited the game. I feel the same way about Bungie's games. My statement was another way of saying I'm not a pixel-counter, and I don't think you are either, Cody. I suspect you're just stirring the pot.
I know that there are graphics fanatics, but those people aren't playing on Xboxes anymore. They're into alienware and all that stuff I don't care anything about.
They remind me of these snooty audiophiles who would come into the record store when CDs were new and refuse to buy any CD that wasn't fully digital--digitally recorded, digitally mixed, and digital format (obviously). This standard would require them to dismiss virtually all recorded music made at that time, which is ludicrous if, you know, you actually like music.
Ten years before that you had audio equipment manufacturers recording special pressings in quadraphonic sound so that dweebs with more money than sense would ooh and ahh over them (and spend megabucks on hardware), as if they weren't hearing C-list artists like Livingston Taylor (you all probably don't even know his more famous brother, James).
Screw that noise. Give me the Ronettes. Bring back mono.
Can't figure you out, Cody. I never know what measuring stick you're going to pull out. I sure didn't expect graphical fidelity to be your touchstone for greatness in games.
Complete thread:
- Destiny at GDC -
rliebherr,
2013-03-27, 19:27
- Sweet! Thanks for the link! - Mr Daax, 2013-03-27, 19:31
- Destiny at GDC - stabbim, 2013-03-28, 09:14
- Less than 5 hours! - SigbiasSilva, 2013-03-28, 11:10
- Don't expect code samples. -
SigbiasSilva,
2013-03-28, 11:52
- Don't expect code samples. -
Tawpgun,
2013-03-28, 12:23
- Don't expect code samples. - SigbiasSilva, 2013-03-28, 12:54
- Don't expect code samples. -
Ragashingo,
2013-03-28, 12:57
- Don't expect code samples. - yakaman, 2013-03-28, 13:15
- Don't expect code samples. -
Tawpgun,
2013-03-28, 12:23
- Dat Concept Art -
Beorn,
2013-03-28, 16:13
- Dat Concept Art - PoK3RFaC3D, 2013-03-28, 16:13
- Seriously. Just...damn. - Stephen Laughlin, 2013-03-28, 21:03
- Destiny at GDC -
rliebherr,
2013-03-28, 16:24
- Onyx Pyramid Ships!! -
rliebherr,
2013-03-28, 16:24
- Stargate SG1, yo. - Revenant1988, 2013-03-28, 19:52
- Onyx Pyramid Ships!! -
rliebherr,
2013-03-28, 16:24
- Yay, in game shot! - Xenos, 2013-03-28, 16:25
- Exo - Xenos, 2013-03-28, 16:44
- Didn't clip into each other - Xenos, 2013-03-28, 16:47
- TAKE MY DAMN MONEY. -
GrimBrother One,
2013-03-28, 16:51
- And mine. - rliebherr, 2013-03-28, 16:55
- I don't have money, so will clothes suffice? - zumphry, 2013-03-28, 17:26
- This just in. They're taking preorders. :p - Ragashingo, 2013-03-29, 09:34
- Playable Races - rliebherr, 2013-03-28, 16:55
- Calling it now: Exo is gonna be the most popular race -
Pfhrogblast,
2013-03-28, 16:58
- Calling it now: Exo is gonna be the most popular race - Xenos, 2013-03-28, 17:00
- Calling it now: Exo is gonna be the most popular race - Chewbaccawakka, 2013-03-28, 17:03
- I already have a skull face. Want to be more human. - scarab, 2013-03-28, 17:04
- The Awoken are fascinating. -
TTL Demag0gue,
2013-03-28, 17:11
- The Awoken are fascinating. - zumphry, 2013-03-28, 17:24
- Elves in spaaaaaace - Stephen Laughlin, 2013-03-28, 22:19
- SO. MUCH. ART. - SigbiasSilva, 2013-03-28, 17:06
- YouTube Video Up - UnrealCh13f, 2013-03-28, 17:06
- Destiny at GDC - RC, 2013-03-28, 17:11
- More Grognok please -
Pfhrogblast,
2013-03-28, 17:27
- More Grognok please -
Veegie,
2013-03-28, 18:15
- More Grognok please -
Beorn,
2013-03-28, 20:21
- More Grognok please - Phoenix_9286, 2013-03-28, 20:47
- More Grognok please - Stephen Laughlin, 2013-03-30, 02:00
- More Grognok please -
Beorn,
2013-03-28, 20:21
- More Grognok please - uberfoop, 2013-03-28, 20:20
- More Grognok please -
Veegie,
2013-03-28, 18:15
- Is it possible... -
Grizzlei,
2013-03-28, 17:28
- Is it possible... - Wakko45, 2013-03-28, 21:56
- I like Bungie. I like Destiny. -
Leviathan,
2013-03-28, 18:20
- Warlock all the way! SPAAAACE WIZAAAAAARD! -
Chewbaccawakka,
2013-03-28, 18:23
- Either Human Titan or Exo Hunter for me. -
Anton P. Nym (aka Steve),
2013-03-28, 19:37
- Awoken female. With no armor. I can pretend I'm Cortana. - Leviathan, 2013-03-28, 21:36
- Either Human Titan or Exo Hunter for me. -
Anton P. Nym (aka Steve),
2013-03-28, 19:37
- I like Bungie. I like Destiny. -
Kermit,
2013-03-29, 08:47
- What, like a kilt? -
Beorn,
2013-03-29, 09:06
- Exactly. -
Kermit,
2013-03-29, 09:11
- Dresses have this airflow... -
SonofMacPhisto,
2013-03-29, 09:20
- If your hand touches metal… -
Beorn,
2013-03-29, 10:26
- Coat==Wizard Hood==Hunter CanOpwner==Titan - scarab, 2013-03-29, 13:46
- I'm gonna be that guy... -
Lurono,
2013-03-29, 23:37
- I'm gonna be that guy... - Xenos, 2013-03-30, 01:27
- If your hand touches metal… -
Beorn,
2013-03-29, 10:26
- Dresses have this airflow... -
SonofMacPhisto,
2013-03-29, 09:20
- Destiny needs Highlanders - scarab, 2013-03-29, 15:00
- Exactly. -
Kermit,
2013-03-29, 09:11
- What, like a kilt? -
Beorn,
2013-03-29, 09:06
- Warlock all the way! SPAAAACE WIZAAAAAARD! -
Chewbaccawakka,
2013-03-28, 18:23
- I think I've been here too long. -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-28, 19:28
- You're not alone, man. - Anton P. Nym (aka Steve), 2013-03-28, 19:39
- Yep - Ragashingo, 2013-03-28, 19:49
- Ditto - SigbiasSilva, 2013-03-28, 19:53
- I KNEW I recognized that cloak from somewhere! - Chewbaccawakka, 2013-03-28, 20:07
- I had the same thought - Xenos, 2013-03-28, 21:17
- Nope, first thing I thought too. -
GrimBrother One,
2013-03-28, 22:11
- Nope, first thing I thought too. - Kermit, 2013-03-29, 09:09
- The Hive do look familiar... - kapowaz, 2013-03-29, 01:43
- Snap! - scarab, 2013-03-29, 03:38
- Seems familiar, as if from a dream... - Malagate, 2013-03-29, 09:42
- I was thinking -
Stephen Laughlin,
2013-03-30, 00:15
- I was thinking - JS, 2013-04-04, 16:29
- Right there with you. - SunshineDuk, 2013-03-30, 10:21
- I think I've been here too long. -
JS,
2013-04-02, 16:53
- Nice finds! - Claude Errera, 2013-04-02, 19:09
- Am I the only one around here -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-28, 22:03
- Am I the only one around here - Phoenix_9286, 2013-03-28, 22:14
- Am I the only one around here -
Ragashingo,
2013-03-28, 22:25
- Am I the only one around here -
Xenos,
2013-03-28, 22:30
- Am I the only one around here -
Ragashingo,
2013-03-28, 22:53
- Am I the only one around here -
Xenos,
2013-03-28, 22:55
- Am I the only one around here - Ragashingo, 2013-03-28, 23:10
- Am I the only one around here -
Xenos,
2013-03-28, 22:55
- Am I the only one around here -
Ragashingo,
2013-03-28, 22:53
- Am I the only one around here -
Xenos,
2013-03-28, 22:30
- Am I the only one around here -
uberfoop,
2013-03-28, 22:53
- Am I the only one around here -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-29, 09:38
- Am I the only one around here -
Kermit,
2013-03-29, 09:51
- Am I the only one around here -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-29, 10:08
- Am I the only one around here - Leviathan, 2013-03-29, 12:44
- Am I the only one around here -
SigbiasSilva,
2013-03-29, 12:48
- Am I the only one around here -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-29, 13:50
- Am I the only one around here - SigbiasSilva, 2013-03-29, 14:41
- Am I the only one around here - Kermit, 2013-03-29, 23:56
- Am I the only one around here - General Vagueness, 2013-04-07, 21:49
- Am I the only one around here -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-29, 13:50
- Am I the only one around here -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-29, 10:08
- Am I the only one around here -
uberfoop,
2013-03-29, 12:35
- Am I the only one around here -
Lurono,
2013-03-29, 23:53
- Am I the only one around here -
Xenos,
2013-03-30, 01:22
- Am I the only one around here -
ZackDark,
2013-03-30, 08:14
- Am I the only one around here - uberfoop, 2013-03-30, 11:29
- Am I the only one around here -
ZackDark,
2013-03-30, 08:14
- Am I the only one around here - uberfoop, 2013-03-30, 10:57
- Am I the only one around here -
Xenos,
2013-03-30, 01:22
- Am I the only one around here -
Lurono,
2013-03-29, 23:53
- Am I the only one around here -
Kermit,
2013-03-29, 09:51
- Am I the only one around here -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-29, 09:38
- Am I the only one around here - kapowaz, 2013-03-29, 01:37
- Cody's obligatory contrarian comment fail - scarab, 2013-03-29, 04:07
- Will 343 continue using a version of Bungie's engine? -
scarab,
2013-03-29, 04:42
- Will 343 continue using a version of Bungie's engine? -
kapowaz,
2013-03-29, 05:06
- I wasn't talking about Bungie licensing it -
scarab,
2013-03-29, 05:15
- I wasn't talking about Bungie licensing it - kapowaz, 2013-03-29, 11:20
- I wasn't talking about Bungie licensing it -
scarab,
2013-03-29, 05:15
- Will 343 continue using a version of Bungie's engine? -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-29, 10:06
- It will be interesting to see what they will use in Halo 5 - scarab, 2013-03-29, 14:56
- Will 343 continue using a version of Bungie's engine? -
car15,
2013-04-02, 23:50
- Will 343 continue using a version of Bungie's engine? - biggy, 2013-04-03, 00:35
- Will 343 continue using a version of Bungie's engine? - uberfoop, 2013-04-03, 00:43
- Will 343 continue using a version of Bungie's engine? -
kapowaz,
2013-03-29, 05:06
- Quantity has a quality all of its own, comrade. -
Anton P. Nym (aka Steve),
2013-03-29, 06:28
- Quantity has a quality all of its own, comrade. - General Vagueness, 2013-04-07, 21:15
- Am I the only one around here - RC, 2013-03-29, 08:40
- Flexibility - electricpirate, 2013-03-29, 11:47
- Hnnnngg! -
Mr Daax,
2013-03-28, 22:49
- AND DAT MUSIC!!! -
Mr Daax,
2013-03-28, 22:53
- AND DAT MUSIC!!! - Tawpgun, 2013-03-29, 11:58
- AND DAT MUSIC!!! -
Mr Daax,
2013-03-28, 22:53
- Speculation Update Time! -
Ragashingo,
2013-03-28, 23:03
- Speculation Update Time! -
uberfoop,
2013-03-28, 23:10
- Speculation Update Time! -
Ragashingo,
2013-03-28, 23:17
- Speculation Update Time! - scarab, 2013-03-29, 04:19
- Speculation Update Time! - scarab, 2013-03-29, 04:15
- Speculation Update Time! -
Ragashingo,
2013-03-28, 23:17
- Speculation Update Time! -
Quirel,
2013-03-30, 02:14
- Speculation Update Time! -
Xenos,
2013-03-30, 02:43
- Speculation Update Time! - scarab, 2013-03-30, 03:54
- Speculation Update Time! - ZackDark, 2013-03-30, 08:25
- Speculation Update Time! -
Quirel,
2013-03-30, 08:28
- Speculation Update Time! -
Stephen Laughlin,
2013-03-30, 09:23
- Speculation Update Time! - Xenos, 2013-03-30, 14:58
- Speculation Update Time! -
Stephen Laughlin,
2013-03-30, 09:23
- Speculation Update Time! -
Xenos,
2013-03-30, 02:43
- Speculation Update Time! -
uberfoop,
2013-03-28, 23:10
- Screaming souls catastrophically evacuating someone's skull -
Mr Daax,
2013-03-28, 23:19
- Screaming souls catastrophically evacuating someone's skull - NsU Soldier, 2013-03-30, 06:49
- Destiny at GDC - Xenos, 2013-03-29, 01:23
- Unknown enemy race -
Mr Daax,
2013-03-29, 08:48
- Unknown enemy race - Ragashingo, 2013-03-29, 09:04
- Unknown enemy race -
Malagate,
2013-03-29, 09:45
- Agree. - Kermit, 2013-03-29, 09:51
- Unknown enemy race -
Malagate,
2013-03-29, 09:52
- Unknown enemy race -
Mr Daax,
2013-03-29, 12:19
- Unknown enemy race -
TDSpiral,
2013-03-30, 10:12
- Unknown enemy race -
SigbiasSilva,
2013-03-30, 10:24
- Unknown enemy race -
Mr Daax,
2013-03-30, 10:56
- Unknown enemy race -
SigbiasSilva,
2013-03-30, 11:09
- Unknown enemy race -
Wakko45,
2013-03-30, 11:14
- Unknown enemy race -
SigbiasSilva,
2013-03-31, 03:43
- Unknown enemy race -
Malagate,
2013-04-01, 05:06
- Unknown enemy race -
kapowaz,
2013-04-01, 05:44
- Unknown enemy race - Malagate, 2013-04-01, 06:00
- Unknown enemy race -
Mr Daax,
2013-04-01, 10:19
- Unknown enemy race - SigbiasSilva, 2013-04-01, 10:36
- Unknown enemy race - kapowaz, 2013-04-01, 14:26
- Unknown enemy race -
kapowaz,
2013-04-01, 05:44
- Unknown enemy race -
Malagate,
2013-04-01, 05:06
- Unknown enemy race -
SigbiasSilva,
2013-03-31, 03:43
- Unknown enemy race -
Wakko45,
2013-03-30, 11:14
- Unknown enemy race -
SigbiasSilva,
2013-03-30, 11:09
- Unknown enemy race -
Wakko45,
2013-03-30, 11:12
- Unknown enemy race -
Mr Daax,
2013-03-30, 11:33
- Unknown enemy race -
Wakko45,
2013-03-30, 12:00
- Strange Names? -
Wakko45,
2013-03-30, 14:55
- Strange Names? - ZackDark, 2013-03-30, 16:56
- Strange Names? -
Wakko45,
2013-03-30, 14:55
- Unknown enemy race -
Wakko45,
2013-03-30, 12:00
- Unknown enemy race -
Mr Daax,
2013-03-30, 11:33
- Unknown enemy race -
Mr Daax,
2013-03-30, 10:56
- Unknown enemy race -
SigbiasSilva,
2013-03-30, 10:24
- Unknown enemy race -
TDSpiral,
2013-03-30, 10:12
- Unknown enemy race -
Mr Daax,
2013-03-29, 12:19
- Unknown enemy race -
Mr Daax,
2013-03-29, 12:31
- Unknown enemy race -
zumphry,
2013-03-29, 13:41
- Unknown enemy race -
Mr Daax,
2013-03-30, 10:45
- Unknown enemy race -
zumphry,
2013-03-30, 14:59
- Unknown enemy race - Mr Daax, 2013-03-30, 15:21
- Unknown enemy race -
zumphry,
2013-03-30, 14:59
- Unknown enemy race -
Mr Daax,
2013-03-30, 10:45
- Unknown enemy race -
zumphry,
2013-03-29, 13:41