For the record (Gaming)
Once again, I think Ubisoft is close to achieving a similar level of freedom. But they don’t seem to be quite there yet. They still need every single game they release to be a big hit in terms of sales. But I could see a point in the near future where their ongoing “live service” games like For Honour or Rainbow 6 Siege are bringing in enough revenue that they can free up a team or two to explore more creative and risky endeavours, without crushing them under the kind of deadline restrictions that lead to crunch.
But don't Live Service games require crunch? The releases and updates need to be timely and constant. Fortnite was a big moneymaker but a gigantic crunch for all. So are you saying you always need to sacrifice one team to the crunch to save others?
I don’t know. Possibly. It just seems to me that strict budgets and deadlines can only be maintained when there’s a high level of predictability involved with the product being made. The only way a large team can say with any certainty “this project will take us X years and Y dollars” is if they have produced that exact product before, multiple times. That doesn’t really fit with most video games, but some live service games have the potential to come close. If their business model is “we release X new maps, Y new characters, and Z new game modes every year”, that at least has a level of predictability and repeatability that lends itself to accurate budgeting and realistic project management.
Any remotely artistic creation is just... so NOT that. Most game leads will say that when they start on a project, they don’t even really know what they’re making yet. It takes months or years of banging ideas around within the team before things start to crystallize. That leads into another part of the problem... for many AAA games, the developers themselves aren’t really sure if their game is going to be fun until late in development. They might get 3 years into a project before the technical hurdles are finally conquered in a way that allows their creative vision to come forward. And many times, those technical hurdles don’t get solved in time, and the game AND developers suffer as a consequence.
Maybe part of the solution is to shift more development focus into the prototype phase? Maybe large studios should have 5-10 small teams all cranking out prototypes all the time, and only when one of those teams puts together a prototype that is already fun to play does the project move forward and into full production? That might help, but what about the games that start out one way, then pivot mid development and become something completely different. If it had been up to Microsoft, Halo May never have been Green-lit based on the initial prototypes.
So yeah, I don’t know what any of the answers are, lol.
Complete thread:
- Quantic Dream - Dust has Settled -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-24, 11:02
- Crunch -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-24, 14:09
- For the record -
MartyTheElder,
2020-05-24, 16:04
- For the record - Cody Miller, 2020-05-24, 16:30
- For the record -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-24, 18:26
- For the record -
cheapLEY,
2020-05-24, 18:55
- For the record -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-24, 22:21
- For the record -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-25, 00:19
- For the record -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-25, 09:11
- For the record -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-25, 10:24
- For the record -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-25, 10:50
- For the record -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-25, 11:18
- For the record -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-25, 13:29
- For the record - Cody Miller, 2020-05-25, 16:18
- For the record - MacAddictXIV, 2020-05-26, 08:24
- For the record -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-25, 13:29
- For the record -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-25, 11:18
- For the record -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-25, 10:50
- For the record -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-25, 10:24
- For the record -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-25, 09:11
- For the record -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-25, 00:19
- For the record -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-24, 22:21
- For the record - Cody Miller, 2020-05-24, 20:28
- The vilest bullshit -
General Battuta,
2020-05-25, 20:41
- The vilest bullshit -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-25, 21:31
- The vilest bullshit -
General Battuta,
2020-05-25, 21:37
- The vilest bullshit -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-25, 22:54
- The vilest bullshit - General Battuta, 2020-05-26, 08:04
- "The Suffering Artist" Cliché -
INSANEdrive,
2020-05-26, 10:20
- "The Suffering Artist" Cliché - Cody Miller, 2020-05-26, 11:22
- "The Suffering Artist" Cliché -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-26, 12:38
- "The Suffering Artist" Cliché -
Robot Chickens,
2020-05-26, 13:11
- +1 - MacAddictXIV, 2020-05-26, 13:41
- "The Suffering Artist" Cliché -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-26, 14:07
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-26, 15:51
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Robot Chickens,
2020-05-26, 16:43
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-26, 17:20
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Robot Chickens,
2020-05-26, 18:07
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-26, 23:55
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Kermit,
2020-05-27, 10:17
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-27, 10:20
- Romanticization of the Artist -
MacAddictXIV,
2020-05-27, 10:49
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-27, 11:03
- You are insufferable -
Pyromancy,
2020-05-27, 11:26
- You are insufferable -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-27, 12:00
- You are insufferable *IMG* - Pyromancy, 2020-05-28, 14:15
- You are insufferable -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-27, 12:00
- Romanticization of the Artist -
breitzen,
2020-05-27, 17:13
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-27, 18:20
- On the Value of Art -
breitzen,
2020-05-28, 08:07
- On the Value of Art -
cheapLEY,
2020-05-28, 08:34
- On the Value of Art -
breitzen,
2020-05-28, 09:17
- On the Value of Art - cheapLEY, 2020-05-28, 09:26
- On the Value of Art -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-28, 09:36
- On the Value of Art - cheapLEY, 2020-05-28, 10:00
- I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) -
Kermit,
2020-05-28, 13:35
- I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-28, 13:45
- O_O... >_>... ._. - INSANEdrive, 2020-05-28, 14:28
- I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-28, 17:16
- I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) - Robot Chickens, 2020-05-28, 17:37
- I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) -
cheapLEY,
2020-05-28, 17:19
- I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-28, 18:06
- I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) -
Robot Chickens,
2020-05-28, 18:31
- I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-28, 18:42
- I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) -
Robot Chickens,
2020-05-29, 11:35
- I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) - cheapLEY, 2020-05-29, 12:25
- I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) -
Robot Chickens,
2020-05-29, 11:35
- I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-28, 18:42
- I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) -
Robot Chickens,
2020-05-28, 18:31
- I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-28, 18:06
- I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-28, 13:45
- On the Value of Art -
breitzen,
2020-05-28, 09:17
- On the Value of Art -
cheapLEY,
2020-05-28, 08:34
- On the Value of Art -
breitzen,
2020-05-28, 08:07
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-27, 18:20
- You are insufferable -
Pyromancy,
2020-05-27, 11:26
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-27, 11:03
- Romanticization of the Artist -
MacAddictXIV,
2020-05-27, 10:49
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-27, 10:20
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Kermit,
2020-05-27, 10:17
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-26, 23:55
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Robot Chickens,
2020-05-26, 18:07
- Romanticization of the Artist (this got long) -
Vortech,
2020-05-26, 18:07
- *Slow clap* - MacAddictXIV, 2020-05-27, 08:06
- +1 - marmot 1333, 2020-05-27, 10:43
- A+ - kidtsunami, 2020-05-27, 11:11
- That last paragraph may be a thread killer. I like it. - INSANEdrive, 2020-05-27, 11:54
- Nice. - Kermit, 2020-05-27, 15:35
- I think we finally did it -
Robot Chickens,
2020-05-27, 18:23
- We're Doing Guys?? 0.o -
Morpheus,
2020-05-27, 21:09
- We're Doing Guys?? 0.o - Robot Chickens, 2020-05-27, 21:22
- We're Doing Guys?? 0.o -
Morpheus,
2020-05-27, 21:09
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-26, 17:20
- Romanticization of the Artist - bluerunner, 2020-05-26, 16:45
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Robot Chickens,
2020-05-26, 16:43
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-26, 15:51
- "The Suffering Artist" Cliché -
Robot Chickens,
2020-05-26, 13:11
- The vilest bullshit -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-25, 22:54
- The vilest bullshit -
General Battuta,
2020-05-25, 21:37
- The vilest bullshit - Kermit, 2020-05-25, 21:35
- The vilest bullshit -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-25, 21:31
- For the record -
cheapLEY,
2020-05-24, 18:55
- For Future Reference -
INSANEdrive,
2020-05-29, 11:25
- Insane might be a spam account -
unoudid,
2020-05-29, 18:48
- O_o ... Wat? - INSANEdrive, 2020-05-29, 19:16
- Insane might be a spam account -
unoudid,
2020-05-29, 18:48
- Crunch -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-24, 16:17
- Crunch - CruelLEGACEY, 2020-05-24, 17:42
- Minor Qubbles -
INSANEdrive,
2020-05-24, 16:59
- +1 - someotherguy, 2020-05-25, 08:37
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
General Battuta,
2020-05-25, 20:37
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-25, 21:55
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-25, 22:01
- Reading comprehension, Cody :) - CruelLEGACEY, 2020-05-25, 22:56
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
General Battuta,
2020-05-25, 22:03
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-25, 23:20
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
General Battuta,
2020-05-26, 06:28
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
squidnh3,
2020-05-26, 07:22
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
General Battuta,
2020-05-26, 07:22
- You don't understand anything about crunch. - Cody Miller, 2020-05-26, 07:38
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
unoudid,
2020-05-26, 07:38
- You don't understand anything about crunch. - General Battuta, 2020-05-26, 08:06
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-26, 08:38
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
unoudid,
2020-05-26, 09:17
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-26, 12:07
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-26, 12:18
- You don't understand anything about crunch. - CruelLEGACEY, 2020-05-26, 12:43
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-26, 12:18
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-26, 12:07
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
unoudid,
2020-05-26, 09:17
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
General Battuta,
2020-05-26, 07:22
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
squidnh3,
2020-05-26, 07:22
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
General Battuta,
2020-05-26, 06:28
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-25, 23:20
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-25, 22:01
- Probably a bad idea to jump in now... -
Claude Errera,
2020-05-26, 10:41
- Probably a bad idea to jump in now... -
MacAddictXIV,
2020-05-26, 10:52
- Probably a bad idea to jump in now... -
EffortlessFury,
2020-05-26, 10:57
- Probably a bad idea to jump in now... -
MacAddictXIV,
2020-05-26, 12:30
- Probably a bad idea to jump in now... - EffortlessFury, 2020-05-26, 16:38
- Probably a bad idea to jump in now... -
MacAddictXIV,
2020-05-26, 12:30
- Probably a bad idea to jump in now... -
EffortlessFury,
2020-05-26, 10:57
- Probably a bad idea to jump in now... - cheapLEY, 2020-05-26, 11:01
- Probably a bad idea to jump in now... - Kermit, 2020-05-27, 15:10
- Probably a bad idea to jump in now... -
MacAddictXIV,
2020-05-26, 10:52
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-25, 21:55
- For the record -
MartyTheElder,
2020-05-24, 16:04
- Crunch is inherently toxic -
someotherguy,
2020-05-25, 08:15
- Crunch is inherently toxic - CruelLEGACEY, 2020-05-25, 10:24
- Crunch is inherently toxic - Cody Miller, 2020-05-25, 10:38
- The Survey -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-26, 16:17
- Heh, cool -
ZackDark,
2020-05-26, 16:51
- All You need to know about this game - Cody Miller, 2020-05-27, 00:06
- Heh, cool -
ZackDark,
2020-05-26, 16:51
- The Game - Cody Miller, 2020-05-27, 12:37
- Crunch -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-24, 14:09