Did Cody just take an Art History class or something? (Destiny)
I disagree that emotional engagement is tied to the medium. There are awful movies, books and games. It isn't that there isn't enough text or that the text isn't good enough, or that games shouldn't be text. The issue isn't even emotion. The issue is immersion and agency.
Destiny mainly suffers from a lack of immersion. 99% of the game experience is shooting the same 21 guys in various scenic locations. The 1% of the time you are getting pieces of the world outside of shooting something just isn't enough.
Lets look at "the last of us", a game with far fewer mechanics and no MP. The game relies heavily on telling Joel and Ellie's story, and that story involves lots of character growth. The writing uses the characters and their interaction while on the overmission to draw the player in. The player is given lots of choices on how to engage enemies, to avoid and sneak past or go in guns blazing. So there is a large sense of agency for the player that is complimented by the interaction with NPCs who give the plot/story dumps.
Just imagine instead of the Dinklebot voiceover on your first visit to Venus you had to track down one of the last guardians from a doomed first expedition. Unknown to you, the Vex had swarmed and destroyed the Vanguard's initial probing force and he is all that's left. While searching Venus you are constantly ambushed by Vex Goblins, until you find this guy, and help him get the sensor net back up. That lets you clear out the old camp and restore contact with Earth ( and get your sparrow) and the rest of the mission is going to meet the Exo Stranger.
A cantankerous old hunter could have provided lots of colorful commentary on what's known about the Vex during a bunch of simple button pressing quests and would have drawn characters into the game more. Perhaps if Bungie added some Mass Effect style agency where you could through your actions save more people or something and have him open up some stores at the base camp or give a clue to some ancient weapon. You could have learned all sorts of interesting things about the Vex, and it still would have been pretty mysterious, perhaps even more so.
The closest Destiny comes to that is the first lunar mission. There is little else in the game that really gives any info, aside from the Stranger's one cutscene. All the quotes in the weapon descriptions and quips from the Tower NPCs are interesting, but
there is no sense of the lore behind it, or linkage to a story that appeals to the player. It has all the "legend" of ordering a #3 at the drive through and paying with vanguard marks looted from a gangbanger you beat up along the way.
So if the missions offer no real glimpse into the world, and the world itself does not allow the players to interact with it, then the story falls pretty flat.
Complete thread:
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-26, 18:11
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
naturl selexion,
2015-07-26, 19:24
- Did Cody just take an Art History class or something? - Durandal, 2015-07-26, 20:10
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong - Ragashingo, 2015-07-26, 21:05
- Incredibly unlikely -
electricpirate,
2015-07-27, 00:22
- Agreed - Robot Chickens, 2015-07-27, 14:43
- That's just silly. - Kermit, 2015-07-27, 13:50
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Leviathan,
2015-07-26, 20:15
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-27, 00:27
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
cheapLEY,
2015-07-27, 00:54
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong - Cody Miller, 2015-07-27, 01:09
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Leviathan,
2015-07-27, 02:56
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong - Cody Miller, 2015-07-27, 03:13
- Putting the word SPOILER .... -
Kermit,
2015-07-27, 13:53
- +1 - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-07-27, 13:58
- Calling Beorn -
iconicbanana,
2015-07-27, 13:58
- Calling Beorn -
Claude Errera,
2015-07-27, 15:37
- Calling Beorn - iconicbanana, 2015-07-27, 15:38
- Calling Beorn - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-07-27, 15:38
- Followup -
Claude Errera,
2015-07-27, 15:40
- You da real MVP. - iconicbanana, 2015-07-27, 15:42
- Calling Beorn -
scarab,
2015-07-28, 07:45
- Oh hey, that’s me! -
Beorn,
2015-07-28, 09:02
- Excellent! Thank you :-) - scarab, 2015-07-28, 13:55
- There is one thing I keep meaning to mention -
scarab,
2015-07-29, 08:16
- That's good forum etiquette. I'll try doing it more often -
ZackDark,
2015-07-29, 13:08
- I start my first sentence in the Subject field and let it -
scarab,
2015-07-30, 13:07
- I start my first sentence in the Subject field and let it - Claude Errera, 2015-07-30, 17:42
- I start my first sentence in the Subject field and let it -
scarab,
2015-07-30, 13:07
- That's good forum etiquette. I'll try doing it more often -
ZackDark,
2015-07-29, 13:08
- Oh hey, that’s me! -
Beorn,
2015-07-28, 09:02
- Calling Beorn -
Claude Errera,
2015-07-27, 15:37
- Cody has a history with spoilers -
someotherguy,
2015-07-27, 14:27
- Yeah, I'm well aware. Inconsiderate. - Kermit, 2015-07-27, 14:37
- Cody has a history with spoilers -
cheapLEY,
2015-07-27, 14:38
- What's the Statute of Limitations on Spoilers? -
someotherguy,
2015-07-27, 15:05
- What's the Statute of Limitations on Spoilers? -
cheapLEY,
2015-07-27, 15:30
- What's the Statute of Limitations on Spoilers? -
someotherguy,
2015-07-27, 15:39
- In my opinion it is unreasonable to want to use the internet -
scarab,
2015-07-27, 15:58
- In my opinion it is unreasonable to want to use the internet -
someotherguy,
2015-07-27, 17:39
- In my opinion it is unreasonable to want to use the internet -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-27, 17:47
- True story... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-27, 17:49
- That's not the twist. *spoilers* - iconicbanana, 2015-07-27, 17:54
- Quite Possibly - someotherguy, 2015-07-27, 17:56
- True story... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-27, 17:49
- Am I doomed to spend my life never mentioning the good bits? -
scarab,
2015-07-27, 18:34
- Context is everything - someotherguy, 2015-07-27, 20:09
- In my opinion it is unreasonable to want to use the internet -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-27, 17:47
- In my opinion it is unreasonable to want to use the internet -
someotherguy,
2015-07-27, 17:39
- What's the Statute of Limitations on Spoilers? -
Avateur,
2015-07-27, 17:01
- Who would be claiming the post-apocalyptic Throne? -
UnrealCh13f,
2015-07-27, 17:05
- Many thrones for Rick to topple. Destroy all thrones. - Avateur, 2015-07-27, 17:07
- Who would be claiming the post-apocalyptic Throne? -
UnrealCh13f,
2015-07-27, 17:05
- What's the Statute of Limitations on Spoilers? -
Leviathan,
2015-07-27, 17:39
- Exactly. I also don't talk about sleds. -
someotherguy,
2015-07-27, 17:42
- or Rosebuds - scarab, 2015-07-27, 18:23
- *STAR WARS SPOILERS* -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-27, 17:46
- *STAR WARS SPOILERS* -
Leviathan,
2015-07-27, 18:37
- it's hard to believe that that person did that thing to that -
scarab,
2015-07-27, 18:41
- and please don't tell me that it was all explained in the - scarab, 2015-07-27, 18:47
- it's hard to believe that that person did that thing to that -
scarab,
2015-07-27, 18:41
- *STAR WARS SPOILERS* -
Leviathan,
2015-07-27, 18:37
- It is not a tiny ounce -
scarab,
2015-07-27, 18:21
- It is not a tiny ounce -
Leviathan,
2015-07-27, 19:04
- It is not a tiny ounce -
Avateur,
2015-07-27, 19:52
- It is not a tiny ounce -
cheapLEY,
2015-07-27, 20:02
- I'm legitimately interested in the show - someotherguy, 2015-07-27, 20:12
- It is not a tiny ounce -
Leviathan,
2015-07-28, 02:40
- It is not a tiny ounce -
Avateur,
2015-07-28, 03:41
- Spoilers. -
Funkmon,
2015-07-28, 03:53
- *RDR spoilers* - ProbablyLast, 2015-07-28, 03:54
- It is not a tiny ounce -
Leviathan,
2015-07-28, 04:00
- Better skip mine too. Darth Vader was Luke's father. - Funkmon, 2015-07-28, 04:54
- Spoilers. -
Funkmon,
2015-07-28, 03:53
- It is not a tiny ounce -
Avateur,
2015-07-28, 03:41
- It is not a tiny ounce -
cheapLEY,
2015-07-27, 20:02
- It is not a tiny ounce -
Avateur,
2015-07-27, 19:52
- It is not a tiny ounce - someotherguy, 2015-07-27, 20:07
- It is not a tiny ounce -
Leviathan,
2015-07-27, 19:04
- Exactly. I also don't talk about sleds. -
someotherguy,
2015-07-27, 17:42
- In my opinion it is unreasonable to want to use the internet -
scarab,
2015-07-27, 15:58
- What's the Statute of Limitations on Spoilers? -
someotherguy,
2015-07-27, 15:39
- What's the Statute of Limitations on Spoilers? -
cheapLEY,
2015-07-27, 15:30
- What's the Statute of Limitations on Spoilers? -
someotherguy,
2015-07-27, 15:05
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
cheapLEY,
2015-07-27, 00:54
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-27, 00:27
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Ragashingo,
2015-07-26, 20:50
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Avateur,
2015-07-26, 22:04
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Ragashingo,
2015-07-26, 23:51
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Avateur,
2015-07-27, 00:12
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong - cheapLEY, 2015-07-27, 01:06
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Ragashingo,
2015-07-27, 02:27
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong - ZackDark, 2015-07-27, 03:39
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Avateur,
2015-07-27, 00:12
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Ragashingo,
2015-07-26, 23:51
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Avateur,
2015-07-26, 22:04
- This leaves me wondering... -
Mid7night,
2015-07-27, 12:09
- This leaves me wondering... -
Ragashingo,
2015-07-27, 12:51
- This leaves me wondering... -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-27, 13:20
- This leaves me wondering... - Ragashingo, 2015-07-27, 13:57
- This leaves me wondering... -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-27, 13:20
- This leaves me wondering... -
Ragashingo,
2015-07-27, 12:51
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Kermit,
2015-07-27, 13:42
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
CyberKN,
2015-07-27, 13:52
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Kermit,
2015-07-27, 13:58
- wat -
CyberKN,
2015-07-27, 14:01
- wat -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-27, 14:04
- wat -
CyberKN,
2015-07-27, 14:06
- wat -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-27, 14:24
- wat -
Claude Errera,
2015-07-27, 16:33
- You could do that with Waypoint too, no? -
ZackDark,
2015-07-27, 16:44
- No, unless I was doing it wrong. -
Claude Errera,
2015-07-27, 17:58
- No, unless I was doing it wrong. -
ZackDark,
2015-07-27, 23:22
- No, unless I was doing it wrong. -
Claude Errera,
2015-07-28, 01:32
- Uh, you can't? -
ZackDark,
2015-07-28, 01:36
- Uh, you can't? - Claude Errera, 2015-07-28, 18:42
- Uh, you can't? -
ZackDark,
2015-07-28, 01:36
- No, unless I was doing it wrong. -
Claude Errera,
2015-07-28, 01:32
- No, unless I was doing it wrong. -
ZackDark,
2015-07-27, 23:22
- No, unless I was doing it wrong. -
Claude Errera,
2015-07-27, 17:58
- wat - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-07-27, 17:59
- You could do that with Waypoint too, no? -
ZackDark,
2015-07-27, 16:44
- wat -
Claude Errera,
2015-07-27, 16:33
- wat - stabbim, 2015-07-27, 17:53
- wat -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-27, 14:24
- wat -
CyberKN,
2015-07-27, 14:06
- wat - Kermit, 2015-07-27, 14:23
- wat -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-27, 14:04
- wat -
CyberKN,
2015-07-27, 14:01
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Kermit,
2015-07-27, 13:58
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-27, 15:12
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-27, 15:17
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-27, 15:26
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-07-27, 15:33
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong - someotherguy, 2015-07-27, 15:26
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-27, 15:26
- Eh. Not really "richer" or "better", but "different" - ZackDark, 2015-07-27, 15:28
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Kermit,
2015-07-27, 16:44
- Awesome post - Avateur, 2015-07-27, 17:18
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-27, 15:17
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
CyberKN,
2015-07-27, 13:52
- You need to edit this and post the edited version. -
scarab,
2015-07-27, 15:22
- This -
ZackDark,
2015-07-27, 15:24
- This -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-27, 15:30
- Oh, sure - ZackDark, 2015-07-27, 15:31
- I think that IS your tl;dr version :-) - scarab, 2015-07-27, 15:35
- This -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-27, 15:30
- You need to edit this and post the edited version. - Cody Miller, 2015-07-27, 15:32
- This -
ZackDark,
2015-07-27, 15:24
- Why Bungie is getting better at visual storytelling... -
Korny,
2015-07-27, 16:21
- Why Bungie is getting better at visual storytelling... -
dogcow,
2015-07-27, 17:39
- Why Bungie is getting better at visual storytelling... -
Korny,
2015-07-28, 16:50
- Why Bungie is getting better at visual storytelling... -
dogcow,
2015-07-28, 17:24
- Why Bungie is getting better at visual storytelling... - Korny, 2015-07-28, 17:51
- Why Bungie is getting better at visual storytelling... -
dogcow,
2015-07-28, 17:24
- Why Bungie is getting better at visual storytelling... -
Korny,
2015-07-28, 16:50
- Why Bungie is getting better at visual storytelling... - Mid7night, 2015-07-27, 20:52
- Why Bungie is getting better at visual storytelling... -
dogcow,
2015-07-27, 17:39
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
naturl selexion,
2015-07-26, 19:24