Why Bungie is getting better at visual storytelling... (Destiny)
This whole room. Environmental storytelling is the best form of visual storytelling.
Environmental storytelling is great and really helps out the ... environment, feel, setting. But, it's quite difficult to fully communicate a story just through the environment. You can relay a very basic story, but there certainly aren't going to be any plot twists, it's basic & straightforward.
I disagree. A great example is in Skyrim. You find a cave in one point, and a journal that talks about how two guys bought it hoping for riches. When you go in and explore, you see a campsite in a room with a waterfall, and evidence that they dug multiple long tunnels before giving up on one. The table has a journal about how they found nothing, and the writer felt ripped off. The last page tells about how he went to town for a few days to buy some supplies, and when he came back, his friend had disappeared. Feeling betrayed and broke, he cursed his friend and left the cave.And that's pretty much it. Evidence of their stay is all around... But if you explore, you'll see that beyond the pool and behind the waterfall, there's a hidden cave. If you go into it, you'll find some mining equipment, and a skeleton half crushed under some fallen rocks... Revealing a large vein of gold...
But if this room were present without any of the journals to read you would think, "oh, someone was mining for gold, found it and was then crushed by a cave in." Not much of a story at all. You wouldn't think about the friend potentially hiding his find, or the tragedy of the partnership & lost friend. It wouldn't really have any impact without some other form of storytelling.
Sure the journal helped remove all ambiguity, but the environment did a great job of telling a story, AND including a twist for you to discover.
Yeah, but the twist was only possible because the journals set it up.
Another example is "Der Reise" in the first Black Ops. The map's environment tells a story that can be explained by the audio records that you find, explaining the zombie dogs, the reason there are so many zombies, and the fate of Samantha (who controls the zombies). It's not spelled out for you, but there was enough in the environment to see the twist (one dog was teleported, but multiple dog tracks are seen leaving the teleporters).
Again, the environment is supplemental to the audio (or vice versa). It doesn't truly tell a compelling story on its own. I don't disagree that environmental storytelling is a fantastic addition to a game, and creating environments with a story behind them really adds a lot, but it needs to be paired with something else, otherwise it's just that, environment and atmosphere. It's just a stage for a performance. Maybe, at the absolute most, a very simple story like what I see in that picture...
When I look at that picture all I see is "Oh, some human fought for its life with a gun and lost." I don't get any real story, just atmosphere and setting. I have no emotional connection, no reason to care about that headless skeleton sitting there. Now if that room were accompanied by something else (audio, text, cutscene) that gave me a reason to care by telling or setting up a story, then it could be moving.
Maybe we're debating semantics. Environment can tell a story, even part of a really great story, but it needs help.
Complete thread:
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-26, 18:11
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
naturl selexion,
2015-07-26, 19:24
- Did Cody just take an Art History class or something? - Durandal, 2015-07-26, 20:10
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong - Ragashingo, 2015-07-26, 21:05
- Incredibly unlikely -
electricpirate,
2015-07-27, 00:22
- Agreed - Robot Chickens, 2015-07-27, 14:43
- That's just silly. - Kermit, 2015-07-27, 13:50
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Leviathan,
2015-07-26, 20:15
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-27, 00:27
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
cheapLEY,
2015-07-27, 00:54
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong - Cody Miller, 2015-07-27, 01:09
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Leviathan,
2015-07-27, 02:56
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong - Cody Miller, 2015-07-27, 03:13
- Putting the word SPOILER .... -
Kermit,
2015-07-27, 13:53
- +1 - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-07-27, 13:58
- Calling Beorn -
iconicbanana,
2015-07-27, 13:58
- Calling Beorn -
Claude Errera,
2015-07-27, 15:37
- Calling Beorn - iconicbanana, 2015-07-27, 15:38
- Calling Beorn - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-07-27, 15:38
- Followup -
Claude Errera,
2015-07-27, 15:40
- You da real MVP. - iconicbanana, 2015-07-27, 15:42
- Calling Beorn -
scarab,
2015-07-28, 07:45
- Oh hey, that’s me! -
Beorn,
2015-07-28, 09:02
- Excellent! Thank you :-) - scarab, 2015-07-28, 13:55
- There is one thing I keep meaning to mention -
scarab,
2015-07-29, 08:16
- That's good forum etiquette. I'll try doing it more often -
ZackDark,
2015-07-29, 13:08
- I start my first sentence in the Subject field and let it -
scarab,
2015-07-30, 13:07
- I start my first sentence in the Subject field and let it - Claude Errera, 2015-07-30, 17:42
- I start my first sentence in the Subject field and let it -
scarab,
2015-07-30, 13:07
- That's good forum etiquette. I'll try doing it more often -
ZackDark,
2015-07-29, 13:08
- Oh hey, that’s me! -
Beorn,
2015-07-28, 09:02
- Calling Beorn -
Claude Errera,
2015-07-27, 15:37
- Cody has a history with spoilers -
someotherguy,
2015-07-27, 14:27
- Yeah, I'm well aware. Inconsiderate. - Kermit, 2015-07-27, 14:37
- Cody has a history with spoilers -
cheapLEY,
2015-07-27, 14:38
- What's the Statute of Limitations on Spoilers? -
someotherguy,
2015-07-27, 15:05
- What's the Statute of Limitations on Spoilers? -
cheapLEY,
2015-07-27, 15:30
- What's the Statute of Limitations on Spoilers? -
someotherguy,
2015-07-27, 15:39
- In my opinion it is unreasonable to want to use the internet -
scarab,
2015-07-27, 15:58
- In my opinion it is unreasonable to want to use the internet -
someotherguy,
2015-07-27, 17:39
- In my opinion it is unreasonable to want to use the internet -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-27, 17:47
- True story... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-27, 17:49
- That's not the twist. *spoilers* - iconicbanana, 2015-07-27, 17:54
- Quite Possibly - someotherguy, 2015-07-27, 17:56
- True story... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-27, 17:49
- Am I doomed to spend my life never mentioning the good bits? -
scarab,
2015-07-27, 18:34
- Context is everything - someotherguy, 2015-07-27, 20:09
- In my opinion it is unreasonable to want to use the internet -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-27, 17:47
- In my opinion it is unreasonable to want to use the internet -
someotherguy,
2015-07-27, 17:39
- What's the Statute of Limitations on Spoilers? -
Avateur,
2015-07-27, 17:01
- Who would be claiming the post-apocalyptic Throne? -
UnrealCh13f,
2015-07-27, 17:05
- Many thrones for Rick to topple. Destroy all thrones. - Avateur, 2015-07-27, 17:07
- Who would be claiming the post-apocalyptic Throne? -
UnrealCh13f,
2015-07-27, 17:05
- What's the Statute of Limitations on Spoilers? -
Leviathan,
2015-07-27, 17:39
- Exactly. I also don't talk about sleds. -
someotherguy,
2015-07-27, 17:42
- or Rosebuds - scarab, 2015-07-27, 18:23
- *STAR WARS SPOILERS* -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-27, 17:46
- *STAR WARS SPOILERS* -
Leviathan,
2015-07-27, 18:37
- it's hard to believe that that person did that thing to that -
scarab,
2015-07-27, 18:41
- and please don't tell me that it was all explained in the - scarab, 2015-07-27, 18:47
- it's hard to believe that that person did that thing to that -
scarab,
2015-07-27, 18:41
- *STAR WARS SPOILERS* -
Leviathan,
2015-07-27, 18:37
- It is not a tiny ounce -
scarab,
2015-07-27, 18:21
- It is not a tiny ounce -
Leviathan,
2015-07-27, 19:04
- It is not a tiny ounce -
Avateur,
2015-07-27, 19:52
- It is not a tiny ounce -
cheapLEY,
2015-07-27, 20:02
- I'm legitimately interested in the show - someotherguy, 2015-07-27, 20:12
- It is not a tiny ounce -
Leviathan,
2015-07-28, 02:40
- It is not a tiny ounce -
Avateur,
2015-07-28, 03:41
- Spoilers. -
Funkmon,
2015-07-28, 03:53
- *RDR spoilers* - ProbablyLast, 2015-07-28, 03:54
- It is not a tiny ounce -
Leviathan,
2015-07-28, 04:00
- Better skip mine too. Darth Vader was Luke's father. - Funkmon, 2015-07-28, 04:54
- Spoilers. -
Funkmon,
2015-07-28, 03:53
- It is not a tiny ounce -
Avateur,
2015-07-28, 03:41
- It is not a tiny ounce -
cheapLEY,
2015-07-27, 20:02
- It is not a tiny ounce -
Avateur,
2015-07-27, 19:52
- It is not a tiny ounce - someotherguy, 2015-07-27, 20:07
- It is not a tiny ounce -
Leviathan,
2015-07-27, 19:04
- Exactly. I also don't talk about sleds. -
someotherguy,
2015-07-27, 17:42
- In my opinion it is unreasonable to want to use the internet -
scarab,
2015-07-27, 15:58
- What's the Statute of Limitations on Spoilers? -
someotherguy,
2015-07-27, 15:39
- What's the Statute of Limitations on Spoilers? -
cheapLEY,
2015-07-27, 15:30
- What's the Statute of Limitations on Spoilers? -
someotherguy,
2015-07-27, 15:05
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
cheapLEY,
2015-07-27, 00:54
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-27, 00:27
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Ragashingo,
2015-07-26, 20:50
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Avateur,
2015-07-26, 22:04
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Ragashingo,
2015-07-26, 23:51
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Avateur,
2015-07-27, 00:12
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong - cheapLEY, 2015-07-27, 01:06
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Ragashingo,
2015-07-27, 02:27
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong - ZackDark, 2015-07-27, 03:39
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Avateur,
2015-07-27, 00:12
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Ragashingo,
2015-07-26, 23:51
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Avateur,
2015-07-26, 22:04
- This leaves me wondering... -
Mid7night,
2015-07-27, 12:09
- This leaves me wondering... -
Ragashingo,
2015-07-27, 12:51
- This leaves me wondering... -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-27, 13:20
- This leaves me wondering... - Ragashingo, 2015-07-27, 13:57
- This leaves me wondering... -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-27, 13:20
- This leaves me wondering... -
Ragashingo,
2015-07-27, 12:51
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Kermit,
2015-07-27, 13:42
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
CyberKN,
2015-07-27, 13:52
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Kermit,
2015-07-27, 13:58
- wat -
CyberKN,
2015-07-27, 14:01
- wat -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-27, 14:04
- wat -
CyberKN,
2015-07-27, 14:06
- wat -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-27, 14:24
- wat -
Claude Errera,
2015-07-27, 16:33
- You could do that with Waypoint too, no? -
ZackDark,
2015-07-27, 16:44
- No, unless I was doing it wrong. -
Claude Errera,
2015-07-27, 17:58
- No, unless I was doing it wrong. -
ZackDark,
2015-07-27, 23:22
- No, unless I was doing it wrong. -
Claude Errera,
2015-07-28, 01:32
- Uh, you can't? -
ZackDark,
2015-07-28, 01:36
- Uh, you can't? - Claude Errera, 2015-07-28, 18:42
- Uh, you can't? -
ZackDark,
2015-07-28, 01:36
- No, unless I was doing it wrong. -
Claude Errera,
2015-07-28, 01:32
- No, unless I was doing it wrong. -
ZackDark,
2015-07-27, 23:22
- No, unless I was doing it wrong. -
Claude Errera,
2015-07-27, 17:58
- wat - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-07-27, 17:59
- You could do that with Waypoint too, no? -
ZackDark,
2015-07-27, 16:44
- wat -
Claude Errera,
2015-07-27, 16:33
- wat - stabbim, 2015-07-27, 17:53
- wat -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-27, 14:24
- wat -
CyberKN,
2015-07-27, 14:06
- wat - Kermit, 2015-07-27, 14:23
- wat -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-27, 14:04
- wat -
CyberKN,
2015-07-27, 14:01
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Kermit,
2015-07-27, 13:58
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-27, 15:12
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-27, 15:17
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-27, 15:26
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-07-27, 15:33
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong - someotherguy, 2015-07-27, 15:26
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-27, 15:26
- Eh. Not really "richer" or "better", but "different" - ZackDark, 2015-07-27, 15:28
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Kermit,
2015-07-27, 16:44
- Awesome post - Avateur, 2015-07-27, 17:18
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-27, 15:17
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
CyberKN,
2015-07-27, 13:52
- You need to edit this and post the edited version. -
scarab,
2015-07-27, 15:22
- This -
ZackDark,
2015-07-27, 15:24
- This -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-27, 15:30
- Oh, sure - ZackDark, 2015-07-27, 15:31
- I think that IS your tl;dr version :-) - scarab, 2015-07-27, 15:35
- This -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-27, 15:30
- You need to edit this and post the edited version. - Cody Miller, 2015-07-27, 15:32
- This -
ZackDark,
2015-07-27, 15:24
- Why Bungie is getting better at visual storytelling... -
Korny,
2015-07-27, 16:21
- Why Bungie is getting better at visual storytelling... -
dogcow,
2015-07-27, 17:39
- Why Bungie is getting better at visual storytelling... -
Korny,
2015-07-28, 16:50
- Why Bungie is getting better at visual storytelling... -
dogcow,
2015-07-28, 17:24
- Why Bungie is getting better at visual storytelling... - Korny, 2015-07-28, 17:51
- Why Bungie is getting better at visual storytelling... -
dogcow,
2015-07-28, 17:24
- Why Bungie is getting better at visual storytelling... -
Korny,
2015-07-28, 16:50
- Why Bungie is getting better at visual storytelling... - Mid7night, 2015-07-27, 20:52
- Why Bungie is getting better at visual storytelling... -
dogcow,
2015-07-27, 17:39
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
naturl selexion,
2015-07-26, 19:24