Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong (Destiny)
Think of art as simulation. And yes, you can simulate things that don't actually exist like dragons or Helen of Troy. Text is kind of amazing in a way, because as I say it all happens in your brain. So does perception. So when you read, you build up this internal simulation by imagining what you are reading looks or sounds or smells like. But your brain knows that it's coming from within and is self generated. Think Inception. But a film for example, is a much richer simulation since it's actually activating your senses. So your brain thinks you are actually seeing and hearing something. The more complete the simulation, the better the illusion, and the more real the response. Right now film is the best we've got, but that will be overtaken once we get VR, and after that the Matrix.
I do think of a lot of story telling as a simulation and I always have. As a fiction writer, I think about every word in a story as having an effect on the reader and I definitely consider what the ultimate effect is, and if I've done a good job, that ultimate effect is something more than a simulation of reality.
You criticize the time involved in reading, but what you see as a weakness is actually a strength. While reading we have time to develop a relationship with the material, to reflect on the material, and the material itself can have more depth for us because it is inextricably bound up with our own memories, associations, and imagination.
A VR experience is or will be the ultimate art form by your lights, but that is an experience much more akin to one we're having with the real world. Accuracy in reflecting reality is a shallow way to measure the worth of art. Art itself is more than a simulation in that it gives meaning to our reality, and does not exist simply to replicate another reality.
Complete thread:
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-26, 18:11
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
naturl selexion,
2015-07-26, 19:24
- Did Cody just take an Art History class or something? - Durandal, 2015-07-26, 20:10
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong - Ragashingo, 2015-07-26, 21:05
- Incredibly unlikely -
electricpirate,
2015-07-27, 00:22
- Agreed - Robot Chickens, 2015-07-27, 14:43
- That's just silly. - Kermit, 2015-07-27, 13:50
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Leviathan,
2015-07-26, 20:15
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-27, 00:27
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
cheapLEY,
2015-07-27, 00:54
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong - Cody Miller, 2015-07-27, 01:09
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Leviathan,
2015-07-27, 02:56
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong - Cody Miller, 2015-07-27, 03:13
- Putting the word SPOILER .... -
Kermit,
2015-07-27, 13:53
- +1 - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-07-27, 13:58
- Calling Beorn -
iconicbanana,
2015-07-27, 13:58
- Calling Beorn -
Claude Errera,
2015-07-27, 15:37
- Calling Beorn - iconicbanana, 2015-07-27, 15:38
- Calling Beorn - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-07-27, 15:38
- Followup -
Claude Errera,
2015-07-27, 15:40
- You da real MVP. - iconicbanana, 2015-07-27, 15:42
- Calling Beorn -
scarab,
2015-07-28, 07:45
- Oh hey, that’s me! -
Beorn,
2015-07-28, 09:02
- Excellent! Thank you :-) - scarab, 2015-07-28, 13:55
- There is one thing I keep meaning to mention -
scarab,
2015-07-29, 08:16
- That's good forum etiquette. I'll try doing it more often -
ZackDark,
2015-07-29, 13:08
- I start my first sentence in the Subject field and let it -
scarab,
2015-07-30, 13:07
- I start my first sentence in the Subject field and let it - Claude Errera, 2015-07-30, 17:42
- I start my first sentence in the Subject field and let it -
scarab,
2015-07-30, 13:07
- That's good forum etiquette. I'll try doing it more often -
ZackDark,
2015-07-29, 13:08
- Oh hey, that’s me! -
Beorn,
2015-07-28, 09:02
- Calling Beorn -
Claude Errera,
2015-07-27, 15:37
- Cody has a history with spoilers -
someotherguy,
2015-07-27, 14:27
- Yeah, I'm well aware. Inconsiderate. - Kermit, 2015-07-27, 14:37
- Cody has a history with spoilers -
cheapLEY,
2015-07-27, 14:38
- What's the Statute of Limitations on Spoilers? -
someotherguy,
2015-07-27, 15:05
- What's the Statute of Limitations on Spoilers? -
cheapLEY,
2015-07-27, 15:30
- What's the Statute of Limitations on Spoilers? -
someotherguy,
2015-07-27, 15:39
- In my opinion it is unreasonable to want to use the internet -
scarab,
2015-07-27, 15:58
- In my opinion it is unreasonable to want to use the internet -
someotherguy,
2015-07-27, 17:39
- In my opinion it is unreasonable to want to use the internet -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-27, 17:47
- True story... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-27, 17:49
- That's not the twist. *spoilers* - iconicbanana, 2015-07-27, 17:54
- Quite Possibly - someotherguy, 2015-07-27, 17:56
- True story... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-27, 17:49
- Am I doomed to spend my life never mentioning the good bits? -
scarab,
2015-07-27, 18:34
- Context is everything - someotherguy, 2015-07-27, 20:09
- In my opinion it is unreasonable to want to use the internet -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-27, 17:47
- In my opinion it is unreasonable to want to use the internet -
someotherguy,
2015-07-27, 17:39
- What's the Statute of Limitations on Spoilers? -
Avateur,
2015-07-27, 17:01
- Who would be claiming the post-apocalyptic Throne? -
UnrealCh13f,
2015-07-27, 17:05
- Many thrones for Rick to topple. Destroy all thrones. - Avateur, 2015-07-27, 17:07
- Who would be claiming the post-apocalyptic Throne? -
UnrealCh13f,
2015-07-27, 17:05
- What's the Statute of Limitations on Spoilers? -
Leviathan,
2015-07-27, 17:39
- Exactly. I also don't talk about sleds. -
someotherguy,
2015-07-27, 17:42
- or Rosebuds - scarab, 2015-07-27, 18:23
- *STAR WARS SPOILERS* -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-27, 17:46
- *STAR WARS SPOILERS* -
Leviathan,
2015-07-27, 18:37
- it's hard to believe that that person did that thing to that -
scarab,
2015-07-27, 18:41
- and please don't tell me that it was all explained in the - scarab, 2015-07-27, 18:47
- it's hard to believe that that person did that thing to that -
scarab,
2015-07-27, 18:41
- *STAR WARS SPOILERS* -
Leviathan,
2015-07-27, 18:37
- It is not a tiny ounce -
scarab,
2015-07-27, 18:21
- It is not a tiny ounce -
Leviathan,
2015-07-27, 19:04
- It is not a tiny ounce -
Avateur,
2015-07-27, 19:52
- It is not a tiny ounce -
cheapLEY,
2015-07-27, 20:02
- I'm legitimately interested in the show - someotherguy, 2015-07-27, 20:12
- It is not a tiny ounce -
Leviathan,
2015-07-28, 02:40
- It is not a tiny ounce -
Avateur,
2015-07-28, 03:41
- Spoilers. -
Funkmon,
2015-07-28, 03:53
- *RDR spoilers* - ProbablyLast, 2015-07-28, 03:54
- It is not a tiny ounce -
Leviathan,
2015-07-28, 04:00
- Better skip mine too. Darth Vader was Luke's father. - Funkmon, 2015-07-28, 04:54
- Spoilers. -
Funkmon,
2015-07-28, 03:53
- It is not a tiny ounce -
Avateur,
2015-07-28, 03:41
- It is not a tiny ounce -
cheapLEY,
2015-07-27, 20:02
- It is not a tiny ounce -
Avateur,
2015-07-27, 19:52
- It is not a tiny ounce - someotherguy, 2015-07-27, 20:07
- It is not a tiny ounce -
Leviathan,
2015-07-27, 19:04
- Exactly. I also don't talk about sleds. -
someotherguy,
2015-07-27, 17:42
- In my opinion it is unreasonable to want to use the internet -
scarab,
2015-07-27, 15:58
- What's the Statute of Limitations on Spoilers? -
someotherguy,
2015-07-27, 15:39
- What's the Statute of Limitations on Spoilers? -
cheapLEY,
2015-07-27, 15:30
- What's the Statute of Limitations on Spoilers? -
someotherguy,
2015-07-27, 15:05
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
cheapLEY,
2015-07-27, 00:54
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-27, 00:27
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Ragashingo,
2015-07-26, 20:50
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Avateur,
2015-07-26, 22:04
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Ragashingo,
2015-07-26, 23:51
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Avateur,
2015-07-27, 00:12
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong - cheapLEY, 2015-07-27, 01:06
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Ragashingo,
2015-07-27, 02:27
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong - ZackDark, 2015-07-27, 03:39
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Avateur,
2015-07-27, 00:12
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Ragashingo,
2015-07-26, 23:51
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Avateur,
2015-07-26, 22:04
- This leaves me wondering... -
Mid7night,
2015-07-27, 12:09
- This leaves me wondering... -
Ragashingo,
2015-07-27, 12:51
- This leaves me wondering... -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-27, 13:20
- This leaves me wondering... - Ragashingo, 2015-07-27, 13:57
- This leaves me wondering... -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-27, 13:20
- This leaves me wondering... -
Ragashingo,
2015-07-27, 12:51
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Kermit,
2015-07-27, 13:42
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
CyberKN,
2015-07-27, 13:52
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Kermit,
2015-07-27, 13:58
- wat -
CyberKN,
2015-07-27, 14:01
- wat -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-27, 14:04
- wat -
CyberKN,
2015-07-27, 14:06
- wat -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-27, 14:24
- wat -
Claude Errera,
2015-07-27, 16:33
- You could do that with Waypoint too, no? -
ZackDark,
2015-07-27, 16:44
- No, unless I was doing it wrong. -
Claude Errera,
2015-07-27, 17:58
- No, unless I was doing it wrong. -
ZackDark,
2015-07-27, 23:22
- No, unless I was doing it wrong. -
Claude Errera,
2015-07-28, 01:32
- Uh, you can't? -
ZackDark,
2015-07-28, 01:36
- Uh, you can't? - Claude Errera, 2015-07-28, 18:42
- Uh, you can't? -
ZackDark,
2015-07-28, 01:36
- No, unless I was doing it wrong. -
Claude Errera,
2015-07-28, 01:32
- No, unless I was doing it wrong. -
ZackDark,
2015-07-27, 23:22
- No, unless I was doing it wrong. -
Claude Errera,
2015-07-27, 17:58
- wat - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-07-27, 17:59
- You could do that with Waypoint too, no? -
ZackDark,
2015-07-27, 16:44
- wat -
Claude Errera,
2015-07-27, 16:33
- wat - stabbim, 2015-07-27, 17:53
- wat -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-27, 14:24
- wat -
CyberKN,
2015-07-27, 14:06
- wat - Kermit, 2015-07-27, 14:23
- wat -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-27, 14:04
- wat -
CyberKN,
2015-07-27, 14:01
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Kermit,
2015-07-27, 13:58
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-27, 15:12
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-27, 15:17
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-27, 15:26
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-07-27, 15:33
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong - someotherguy, 2015-07-27, 15:26
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-27, 15:26
- Eh. Not really "richer" or "better", but "different" - ZackDark, 2015-07-27, 15:28
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
Kermit,
2015-07-27, 16:44
- Awesome post - Avateur, 2015-07-27, 17:18
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-27, 15:17
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
CyberKN,
2015-07-27, 13:52
- You need to edit this and post the edited version. -
scarab,
2015-07-27, 15:22
- This -
ZackDark,
2015-07-27, 15:24
- This -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-27, 15:30
- Oh, sure - ZackDark, 2015-07-27, 15:31
- I think that IS your tl;dr version :-) - scarab, 2015-07-27, 15:35
- This -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-27, 15:30
- You need to edit this and post the edited version. - Cody Miller, 2015-07-27, 15:32
- This -
ZackDark,
2015-07-27, 15:24
- Why Bungie is getting better at visual storytelling... -
Korny,
2015-07-27, 16:21
- Why Bungie is getting better at visual storytelling... -
dogcow,
2015-07-27, 17:39
- Why Bungie is getting better at visual storytelling... -
Korny,
2015-07-28, 16:50
- Why Bungie is getting better at visual storytelling... -
dogcow,
2015-07-28, 17:24
- Why Bungie is getting better at visual storytelling... - Korny, 2015-07-28, 17:51
- Why Bungie is getting better at visual storytelling... -
dogcow,
2015-07-28, 17:24
- Why Bungie is getting better at visual storytelling... -
Korny,
2015-07-28, 16:50
- Why Bungie is getting better at visual storytelling... - Mid7night, 2015-07-27, 20:52
- Why Bungie is getting better at visual storytelling... -
dogcow,
2015-07-27, 17:39
- Why Bungie gets visual storytelling wrong -
naturl selexion,
2015-07-26, 19:24