
Insane. (Destiny)
The original Deus Ex is an RPG and does not fall into any of these pitfalls. Not a single one. It cannot be min maxed. As a bonus, because there are so many combinations of skills and augmentations that produce different effective play styles, I can almost guarantee your character was different than mine. Add co-op play and call it a day. Your assertion that grinding is somehow required for players to differentiate themselves is false. My guardian could be an invincible tank, and yours a hacker. Hacking might take longer, but so what? That's how you want to play the missions!
Further, I think people and developers completely over emphasize avatar differences as something desirable in their games. Was Halo less fun because your partner was also the MC? Instead about being a virtual dick measuring contest through progression, it should be about teaming up with your friends to tackle the game.
You keep saying that this isn't the game Bungie made. I know that dude. That's why I am saying things would be better if changed for Destiny 2. It's doubtful, but there are tons of things they can do to mitigate the problem of MMOs without abandoning their overall format. I see tons of decisions that they are making that help them move that way.
If it weren't for people expressing dissatisfaction with the shitty MMO elements, you'd still have to circle Mars gathering relic iron to level up your guns.
Complete thread:
- Court of Oryx Twitch Reveal Thread *Please read before post* -
Xenos,
2015-09-02, 16:04
- Is it weird that my video won't load?
- Funkmon, 2015-09-02, 16:08
- Is it weird that my video won't load? -
Xenos,
2015-09-02, 16:10
- All right. Wasn't sure if it was a stream problem.
- Funkmon, 2015-09-02, 16:11
- All right. Wasn't sure if it was a stream problem.
- Is it weird that my video won't load? -
Xenos,
2015-09-02, 16:10
- Court of Oryx Twitch Reveal Thread - Xenos, 2015-09-02, 16:13
- Court of Oryx Twitch Reveal Thread - Xenos, 2015-09-02, 16:14
- Court of Oryx Twitch Reveal Thread *Please read before post* -
Funkmon,
2015-09-02, 16:18
- Court of Oryx Twitch Reveal Thread *Please read before post* -
Korny,
2015-09-02, 16:48
- 'The winning combo', LOL!
- R41, 2015-09-02, 16:53
- Court of Oryx Twitch Reveal Thread *Please read before post* - MacAddictXIV, 2015-09-02, 16:57
- I have boobs! I should start streaming! -
Funkmon,
2015-09-02, 16:59
- I have boobs! I should start streaming! -
Speedracer513,
2015-09-02, 17:04
- Slutshaming!
- Funkmon, 2015-09-02, 17:05
- slowly raises hand.....
- unoudid, 2015-09-02, 17:23
- slowly raises hand..... - Korny, 2015-09-02, 18:13
- slowly raises hand.....
- Slutshaming!
- Mine are bigger. - ProbablyLast, 2015-09-02, 17:06
- Casual sexism is funny! -
narcogen,
2015-09-03, 01:14
- Casual sexism is funny! -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-03, 01:49
- I think Narc's got a good point. - Funkmon, 2015-09-03, 03:32
- Casual sexism is funny! -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-03, 01:49
- I have boobs! I should start streaming! -
Speedracer513,
2015-09-02, 17:04
- 'The winning combo', LOL!
- Court of Oryx Twitch Reveal Thread *Please read before post* - unoudid, 2015-09-02, 17:22
- Court of Oryx Twitch Reveal Thread *Please read before post* -
Korny,
2015-09-02, 16:48
- Court of Oryx Twitch Reveal Thread *Please read before post* -
Funkmon,
2015-09-02, 16:21
- Court of Oryx Twitch Reveal Thread *Please read before post* - ProbablyLast, 2015-09-02, 16:23
- Court of Oryx Twitch Reveal Thread *Please read before post* - Funkmon, 2015-09-02, 16:26
- Court of Oryx Twitch Reveal Thread *Please read before post* -
CyberKN,
2015-09-02, 16:30
- Luke says "Don't worry." -
Korny,
2015-09-02, 18:32
- Luke says "Don't worry." -
Funkmon,
2015-09-02, 23:37
- Luke says "Don't worry." -
narcogen,
2015-09-02, 23:42
- Not as dumb as people keep implying -
Xenos,
2015-09-03, 00:20
- Not as dumb as people keep implying -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-03, 00:24
- Not as dumb as people keep implying - Xenos, 2015-09-03, 00:28
- Not as dumb as people keep implying - Ragashingo, 2015-09-03, 00:36
- Not as dumb as people keep implying - General Vagueness, 2015-09-03, 01:06
- Not as dumb as people keep implying -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-03, 00:24
- Not as dumb as people keep implying -
Xenos,
2015-09-03, 00:20
- I'm worried :-/ -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-03, 00:16
- You should be. -
narcogen,
2015-09-03, 01:00
- You should be. -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-03, 01:27
- You should be. - Ragashingo, 2015-09-03, 01:47
- You should be. - narcogen, 2015-09-03, 09:18
- You should be. -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-03, 03:06
- No I'm not. -
narcogen,
2015-09-03, 09:28
- No I'm not. -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-03, 14:23
- I think you have a point? -
RaichuKFM,
2015-09-03, 18:43
- Concrete paths. -
narcogen,
2015-09-03, 23:21
- Loot Cave - CyberKN, 2015-09-03, 23:38
- Concrete paths. -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-03, 23:46
- Concrete paths. -
narcogen,
2015-09-04, 02:24
- Concrete paths. -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-04, 03:03
- Concrete paths. -
narcogen,
2015-09-04, 06:44
- Concrete paths. - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-09-04, 10:20
- Concrete paths. - Cody Miller, 2015-09-04, 13:37
- Concrete paths. -
narcogen,
2015-09-04, 06:44
- Concrete paths. -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-04, 03:03
- Concrete paths. -
narcogen,
2015-09-04, 02:24
- Concrete paths. - General Vagueness, 2015-09-04, 01:11
- Concrete paths. - RaichuKFM, 2015-09-05, 16:30
- Concrete paths. -
narcogen,
2015-09-03, 23:21
- Insane. -
narcogen,
2015-09-03, 23:15
- Insane. -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-03, 23:39
- All else aside, - RaichuKFM, 2015-09-05, 16:48
- Insane. - RaichuKFM, 2015-09-05, 16:46
- Insane. - Funkmon, 2015-09-05, 16:49
- Insane. -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-03, 23:39
- I think you have a point? -
RaichuKFM,
2015-09-03, 18:43
- No I'm not. -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-03, 14:23
- No I'm not. -
narcogen,
2015-09-03, 09:28
- You should be. -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-03, 01:27
- A few points - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-09-03, 22:44
- You should be. -
narcogen,
2015-09-03, 01:00
- Luke says "Don't worry." -
narcogen,
2015-09-02, 23:42
- Luke says "Don't worry." -
Funkmon,
2015-09-02, 23:37
- Luke says "Don't worry." -
Korny,
2015-09-02, 18:32
- Court of Oryx Twitch Reveal Thread *Please read before post* - Funkmon, 2015-09-02, 16:33
- Court of Oryx Twitch Reveal Thread *Please read before post* - Xenos, 2015-09-02, 16:35
- Done w/ Court of Oryx. Exclusive stuff for Twitch viewers -
Xenos,
2015-09-02, 16:39
- Done w/ Court of Oryx. Exclusive stuff for Twitch viewers -
Xenos,
2015-09-02, 16:42
- Done w/ Court of Oryx. Exclusive stuff for Twitch viewers -
Xenos,
2015-09-02, 16:44
- Done w/ Court of Oryx. Exclusive stuff for Twitch viewers -
Xenos,
2015-09-02, 16:45
- Done w/ Court of Oryx. Exclusive stuff for Twitch viewers -
Funkmon,
2015-09-02, 16:46
- Done w/ Court of Oryx. Exclusive stuff for Twitch viewers - Xenos, 2015-09-02, 16:46
- Done w/ Court of Oryx. Exclusive stuff for Twitch viewers - ProbablyLast, 2015-09-02, 16:48
- Done w/ Court of Oryx. Exclusive stuff for Twitch viewers -
someotherguy,
2015-09-02, 17:42
- Done w/ Court of Oryx. Exclusive stuff for Twitch viewers -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-09-02, 17:51
- Done w/ Court of Oryx. Exclusive stuff for Twitch viewers - someotherguy, 2015-09-02, 19:59
- Done w/ Court of Oryx. Exclusive stuff for Twitch viewers -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-09-02, 17:51
- Done w/ Court of Oryx. Exclusive stuff for Twitch viewers -
Funkmon,
2015-09-02, 16:46
- Done w/ Court of Oryx. Exclusive stuff for Twitch viewers -
Mid7night,
2015-09-03, 01:50
- Here's a youtube link for you. - Funkmon, 2015-09-03, 03:41
- Done w/ Court of Oryx. Exclusive stuff for Twitch viewers -
Xenos,
2015-09-02, 16:45
- Done w/ Court of Oryx. Exclusive stuff for Twitch viewers - ProbablyLast, 2015-09-02, 16:47
- Huge reveal in that trailer. -
Funkmon,
2015-09-02, 16:51
- Huge reveal in that trailer. - MacAddictXIV, 2015-09-02, 16:51
- Done w/ Court of Oryx. Exclusive stuff for Twitch viewers -
Xenos,
2015-09-02, 16:44
- Done w/ Court of Oryx. Exclusive stuff for Twitch viewers -
Xenos,
2015-09-02, 16:42
- Court of Oryx Twitch Reveal Thread *Please read before post* -
iconicbanana,
2015-09-02, 16:40
- Court of Oryx Twitch Reveal Thread *Please read before post* - unoudid, 2015-09-02, 17:04
- Court of Oryx Twitch Reveal Thread *Please read before post* -
TheeChaos,
2015-09-02, 18:28
- Court of Oryx Twitch Reveal Thread *Please read before post* -
Xenos,
2015-09-02, 18:30
- Court of Oryx Twitch Reveal Thread *Please read before post* - TheeChaos, 2015-09-02, 18:34
- Court of Oryx Twitch Reveal Thread *Please read before post* -
Xenos,
2015-09-02, 18:30
- Court of Oryx Twitch Reveal Thread *Please read before post* - INSANEdrive, 2015-09-03, 01:12
- Is it weird that my video won't load?