
Exactly this (Destiny)
The grind is certainly real. It's less frustrating than the RNG grind was for me, but it's also much more of a chore, too.
It's as if they don't trust their own solutions and don't actually believe what they are saying.
Before TTK released, Luke said multiple times that the forever 29 meme was heartbreaking and they wouldn't let that happen again. They said that not being able to progress because you don't get boot drops from the vault was terrible and they'd change that.
Yet here they, despite having fixed the grind in everything up to and including the normal mode raid, have a situation with TTKs end game that is WORSE than what was before. Not only do you need specific drops, but if you get them, they might be worthless because their light level is too low!
The system would have worked like gangbusters if:
1. Being a higher light level than an enemy in PvE conferred you an advantage. Right now it works the same way as it always has, and being overleveled does nothing. Raising my light level does not cause me to do more damage, unless the attack of my weapon goes up.
2. Hard Mode Oryx was the same light level as normal mode, just more challenging, as we were falsely led to believe it would be.
3. 310 was max light.
4. My infusion system were implemented.
Now we have a system where gaining points towards 310 does confer you small advantages, yet is wholly unnecessary. It would just be gravy for the raid and trials. We would have gotten a raid that was more or less a completely new experience forcing us to really change it up, as opposed to now where you just have to level up.
At the end game, you should always be progressing, albeit possibly slowly. You should never play the game and make no progress. If you could infuse motes into weapons and armor to increase your light, you might not get that raid drop, but at east you earned a few motes and are closer to being able to infuse that gun. I don't understand after years and years of analysis on these types of games that the very simple idea of the player always feeling like they've accomplished something wasn't at the heart of the design.
Complete thread:
- Is anyone else experiencing "New Gear Bottleneck"? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-11-04, 17:41
- Is anyone else experiencing "New Gear Bottleneck"? -
Ragashingo,
2015-11-04, 17:52
- Is anyone else experiencing "New Gear Bottleneck"? - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-11-04, 18:01
- Impossible. -
Funkmon,
2015-11-04, 17:57
- Not sure if serious... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-11-04, 18:03
- Not sure if serious... - MacAddictXIV, 2015-11-04, 18:05
- Impossible. -
ProbablyLast,
2015-11-04, 18:12
- Exactly. -
Funkmon,
2015-11-04, 18:17
- Exactly. - ProbablyLast, 2015-11-04, 18:25
- Sure it does -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-11-04, 18:43
- That's the joke.
- ProbablyLast, 2015-11-04, 19:17
- That's the joke. - stabbim, 2015-11-04, 19:20
- That's the joke. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-11-04, 19:23
- Dude, go to bed!
- slycrel, 2015-11-04, 20:38
- Its not entirely my fault this time :) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-11-04, 20:42
- re-read your post title. Then go to bed. ;)
- slycrel, 2015-11-04, 20:45
- LOL! Point made :)
- CruelLEGACEY, 2015-11-04, 20:50
- LOL! Point made :)
- /em looks guilty
- Vortech, 2015-11-04, 22:12
- re-read your post title. Then go to bed. ;)
- Its not entirely my fault this time :) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-11-04, 20:42
- Dude, go to bed!
- That's the joke.
- Exactly. -
Funkmon,
2015-11-04, 18:17
- Not sure if serious... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-11-04, 18:03
- Always have. - Kermit, 2015-11-04, 18:12
- Yep. - slycrel, 2015-11-04, 18:13
- Three of Coins - Chappy, 2015-11-04, 18:18
- Is anyone else experiencing "New Gear Bottleneck"? - stabbim, 2015-11-04, 18:24
- just be glad you're not a new player -
Schedonnardus,
2015-11-04, 18:39
- just be glad you're not a new player - MacAddictXIV, 2015-11-04, 18:46
- Is anyone else experiencing "New Gear Bottleneck"? - Cody Miller, 2015-11-04, 19:06
- I feel your pain -
TheeChaos,
2015-11-04, 19:33
- I feel your pain - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-11-04, 19:37
- Agreed. I keep anything, weapons or armor, that is 290+ now
- slycrel, 2015-11-04, 20:41
- I like the new light system - red robber, 2015-11-04, 20:32
- Is anyone else experiencing "New Gear Bottleneck"? - Mad_Stylus, 2015-11-04, 20:54
- Is anyone else experiencing "New Gear Bottleneck"? - Vortech, 2015-11-04, 22:20
- Is anyone else experiencing "New Gear Bottleneck"? -
narcogen,
2015-11-04, 23:10
- Is anyone else experiencing "New Gear Bottleneck"? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-11-04, 23:37
- Is anyone else experiencing "New Gear Bottleneck"? -
narcogen,
2015-11-05, 10:10
- Is anyone else experiencing "New Gear Bottleneck"? - cheapLEY, 2015-11-05, 12:56
- Is anyone else experiencing "New Gear Bottleneck"? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-11-05, 14:15
- Exactly this -
Kahzgul,
2015-11-05, 16:43
- Exactly this -
Cody Miller,
2015-11-05, 17:11
- Another solution -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-11-05, 17:23
- Another solution -
Cody Miller,
2015-11-05, 17:31
- Another solution - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-11-05, 19:19
- Another solution - Chappy, 2015-11-05, 19:36
- Another solution -
Cody Miller,
2015-11-05, 17:31
- Another solution -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-11-05, 17:23
- Exactly this -
Cody Miller,
2015-11-05, 17:11
- Is anyone else experiencing "New Gear Bottleneck"? -
slycrel,
2015-11-05, 16:55
- Is anyone else experiencing "New Gear Bottleneck"? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-11-05, 17:16
- Is anyone else experiencing "New Gear Bottleneck"? -
cheapLEY,
2015-11-05, 17:34
- Is anyone else experiencing "New Gear Bottleneck"? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-11-05, 19:01
- Is anyone else experiencing "New Gear Bottleneck"? - cheapLEY, 2015-11-05, 22:47
- Is anyone else experiencing "New Gear Bottleneck"? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-11-05, 19:01
- Is anyone else experiencing "New Gear Bottleneck"? - ProbablyLast, 2015-11-05, 17:39
- Is anyone else experiencing "New Gear Bottleneck"? - slycrel, 2015-11-05, 18:00
- Is anyone else experiencing "New Gear Bottleneck"? -
cheapLEY,
2015-11-05, 17:34
- Is anyone else experiencing "New Gear Bottleneck"? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-11-05, 17:16
- Exactly this -
Kahzgul,
2015-11-05, 16:43
- Is anyone else experiencing "New Gear Bottleneck"? - Kermit, 2015-11-05, 14:37
- That makes tons of sense.
- Funkmon, 2015-11-05, 18:26
- Is anyone else experiencing "New Gear Bottleneck"? -
narcogen,
2015-11-05, 10:10
- Is anyone else experiencing "New Gear Bottleneck"? - Kermit, 2015-11-05, 00:05
- Is anyone else experiencing "New Gear Bottleneck"? - Cody Miller, 2015-11-05, 00:21
- Is anyone else experiencing "New Gear Bottleneck"? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-11-04, 23:37
- I feel the same - and I don't play much at all -
Oholiab,
2015-11-05, 00:29
- I feel the same - and I don't play much at all -
Kahzgul,
2015-11-05, 16:47
- I feel the same - and I don't play much at all -
Claude Errera,
2015-11-05, 18:47
- I feel the same - and I don't play much at all -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-11-05, 19:19
- I feel the same - and I don't play much at all -
marmot 1333,
2015-11-05, 21:10
- heh - slycrel, 2015-11-05, 21:39
- I feel the same - and I don't play much at all -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-11-05, 21:49
- :)
- marmot 1333, 2015-11-05, 22:13
- The hardest part of the raid - Kahzgul, 2015-11-06, 00:34
- :)
- I feel the same - and I don't play much at all -
marmot 1333,
2015-11-05, 21:10
- I feel the same - and I don't play much at all -
dogcow,
2015-11-05, 19:23
- I feel the same - and I don't play much at all -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-11-05, 19:30
- I feel the same - and I don't play much at all - MacAddictXIV, 2015-11-05, 19:36
- I feel the same - and I don't play much at all -
Claude Errera,
2015-11-05, 21:07
- I feel the same - and I don't play much at all - dogcow, 2015-11-05, 21:44
- I'd play with you ... maybe.
- Kermit, 2015-11-06, 01:08
- Sly might mosey in around midnight… - Vortech, 2015-11-05, 22:57
- I feel the same - and I don't play much at all -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-11-05, 19:30
- I feel the same - and I don't play much at all - Cody Miller, 2015-11-05, 20:09
- I feel the same - and I don't play much at all -
Vortech,
2015-11-05, 22:49
- I feel the same - and I don't play much at all -
Claude Errera,
2015-11-05, 22:56
- It's like a divorced kid with two houses. -
Vortech,
2015-11-05, 22:58
- It's like a divorced kid with two houses. -
dogcow,
2015-11-06, 13:51
- lol
- Claude Errera, 2015-11-06, 15:26
- lol
- It's like a divorced kid with two houses. -
dogcow,
2015-11-06, 13:51
- You might say all your time has been... TAKEN?!
- CruelLEGACEY, 2015-11-05, 23:10
- Don't do it. -
Robot Chickens,
2015-11-06, 15:46
- Do it. -
Funkmon,
2015-11-06, 15:50
- Don't do it. - MacAddictXIV, 2015-11-06, 15:51
- Do it. -
Funkmon,
2015-11-06, 15:50
- It's like a divorced kid with two houses. -
Vortech,
2015-11-05, 22:58
- I feel the same - and I don't play much at all -
Claude Errera,
2015-11-05, 22:56
- I feel the same - and I don't play much at all -
Kahzgul,
2015-11-06, 00:32
- I feel the same - and I don't play much at all - Claude Errera, 2015-11-06, 01:22
- Come back to the 360, we wont judge
- Up North 65, 2015-11-06, 01:19
- lol - Claude Errera, 2015-11-06, 01:20
- I feel the same - and I don't play much at all -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-11-05, 19:19
- I feel the same - and I don't play much at all -
Claude Errera,
2015-11-05, 18:47
- I feel the same - and I don't play much at all -
Kahzgul,
2015-11-05, 16:47
- This is why 3 of Coins Draksis/Gatelord Farming is a Thing -
Kahzgul,
2015-11-05, 09:11
- Sounds efficient/dreadful -
someotherguy,
2015-11-05, 12:26
- Sounds efficient/dreadful -
cheapLEY,
2015-11-05, 13:06
- Sounds efficient/dreadful -
someotherguy,
2015-11-05, 14:03
- Sounds efficient/dreadful - cheapLEY, 2015-11-05, 17:37
- Sounds efficient/dreadful -
someotherguy,
2015-11-05, 14:03
- Sounds efficient/dreadful -
cheapLEY,
2015-11-05, 13:06
- Sounds efficient/dreadful -
someotherguy,
2015-11-05, 12:26
- More like gear chasim -
Durandal,
2015-11-05, 10:49
- More like gear chasim -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-11-05, 14:18
- I'm some sort of word dinosaur -
Durandal,
2015-11-05, 17:50
- LOL
- CruelLEGACEY, 2015-11-05, 18:15
- LOL
- I'm some sort of word dinosaur -
Durandal,
2015-11-05, 17:50
- More like gear chasim -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-11-05, 14:18
- Is anyone else experiencing "New Gear Bottleneck"? -
Ragashingo,
2015-11-04, 17:52