Commodify All The Things! (Destiny)
The rest of the argument (while possibly a bit purple) is relatively sound.
No, it's all crap, and here's why: we're talking about a game, and this person is talking down to Cody like some kind of stuffy, bootlicking slave to the system giving a lesson in economics 101.There's a lot of crap in Destiny, and Cody is damn good at pointing it out.
Then this sentence actually happens:
"This definitely isn't a game flaw, it's a financial management flaw. And that's all on you."
For fucks sake. How is this defensible at all, unless you're someone that's commodified EVERYTHING and has little to no human soul left?
And yeah, I'm taking the piss here a bit, because it's that absurd.
You do realize you haven't made an argument here. You've insulted me, established that Destiny is a game, but games and economies aren't mutually exclusive categories (in fact most games require economies of some sort) and you made no argument why they should be. There's no substance here.
Yup. That's right.
My arguments are defensible because it is an economy. We are literally talking about the currency of the game, a tool with which to fairly exchange the value of goods and services. How is this not economics 101? Every player in this game is responsible for handling their own assets. Bungie doesn't steal your glimmer each month because you store it with them like a bank charges you checking account fees. They don't pay out interest for having it stored in their system. No other outside agent or force modifies the amount of glimmer you have other than your choices. So, logically, this entails that full financial responsibility befalls the player, and thus any shortage of glimmer or other resources also falls on the player.
It disgusts me these systems are part of the game; perhaps your... highlighting? explanation of it? revealed some cognitive dissonance I've been carrying around.
As for commodifying everything, I'm not sure how that makes me soulless, as I'm not the one doing the commodifying. Commodities exist and are ubiquitous in Destiny. Pointing out that they exist and there's an in-game economy doesn't make me soulless.
Fair enough.
Complete thread:
- Guess I have to ditch iron banner -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-16, 10:31
- Guess I have to ditch iron banner - JDQuackers, 2015-01-16, 10:46
- Guess I have to ditch iron banner -
BeardFade,
2015-01-16, 10:49
- Guess I have to ditch iron banner -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-16, 10:51
- Guess I have to ditch iron banner -
someotherguy,
2015-01-16, 10:55
- Guess I have to ditch iron banner -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-16, 11:00
- Guess I have to ditch iron banner -
someotherguy,
2015-01-16, 11:05
- Guess I have to ditch iron banner -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-16, 11:13
- Guess I have to ditch iron banner -
BeardFade,
2015-01-16, 11:25
- :: golf claps :: - RevDotNed, 2015-01-16, 11:35
- I like this guy. He knows what's up... -
Korny,
2015-01-16, 12:20
- +2 -
petetheduck,
2015-01-16, 12:26
- You realize that, due to inflation, your +2 was really a +1? - UnrealCh13f, 2015-01-16, 12:29
- I like this guy. He knows what's up... -
bluerunner,
2015-01-16, 12:39
- -2 *NM* - Avateur, 2015-01-16, 12:42
- In this version, only hope dies. - SonofMacPhisto, 2015-01-16, 12:45
- I like this guy. He knows what's up... - Cody Miller, 2015-01-16, 13:07
- +2 -
petetheduck,
2015-01-16, 12:26
- Guess I have to ditch iron banner - Spec ops Grunt, 2015-01-16, 12:32
- Strikes? -
someotherguy,
2015-01-16, 11:26
- Strikes? -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-16, 13:09
- Re MIND-NUMBINGLY BORING... -
DreadPirateWes,
2015-01-16, 13:17
- Strikes? - Cody Miller, 2015-01-16, 13:18
- Strikes? - someotherguy, 2015-01-16, 19:37
- If the game had a glimmer wall... -
scarab,
2015-01-17, 01:32
- Hahah! - RaichuKFM, 2015-01-17, 10:38
- SUPERGOODADVICE NOW BEST EXOTIC - Spec ops Grunt, 2015-01-20, 09:08
- Re MIND-NUMBINGLY BORING... -
DreadPirateWes,
2015-01-16, 13:17
- Strikes? -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-16, 13:09
- Are you not hoarding your glimmer consumables\rewards? -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-16, 11:35
- Are you not hoarding your glimmer consumables\rewards? - Raflection, 2015-01-16, 11:53
- Guess I have to ditch iron banner -
BeardFade,
2015-01-16, 11:25
- Guess I have to ditch iron banner -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-16, 11:13
- Guess I have to ditch iron banner -
someotherguy,
2015-01-16, 11:05
- Guess I have to ditch iron banner -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-16, 11:00
- Guess I have to ditch iron banner -
someotherguy,
2015-01-16, 10:55
- Guess I have to ditch iron banner -
SonofMacPhisto,
2015-01-16, 11:46
- Why? -
someotherguy,
2015-01-16, 11:48
- Why? -
SonofMacPhisto,
2015-01-16, 11:53
- +2 -
Avateur,
2015-01-16, 12:06
- I take your +2 and raise you a +3 -
UnrealCh13f,
2015-01-16, 12:12
- +4 -
petetheduck,
2015-01-16, 12:12
- We're creating inflation in the + market -
Avateur,
2015-01-16, 12:13
- SELL SELL SELL -
UnrealCh13f,
2015-01-16, 12:14
- How much can I get for one of these? -
Quirel,
2015-01-17, 02:44
- all I got is a bunch of "-1th" lying around. - LostSpartan, 2015-01-18, 07:41
- How much can I get for one of these? -
Quirel,
2015-01-17, 02:44
- SELL SELL SELL -
UnrealCh13f,
2015-01-16, 12:14
- We're creating inflation in the + market -
Avateur,
2015-01-16, 12:13
- +4 -
petetheduck,
2015-01-16, 12:12
- I take your +2 and raise you a +3 -
UnrealCh13f,
2015-01-16, 12:12
- Why? - nash, 2015-01-16, 12:18
- Commodify All The Things! -
BeardFade,
2015-01-16, 14:26
- Commodify All The Things! -
nash,
2015-01-16, 14:37
- Commodify All The Things! -
ckamp,
2015-01-16, 14:45
- Well played! -
BeardFade,
2015-01-16, 14:50
- You're close; I've got better style. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2015-01-16, 15:13
- You're close; I've got better style. -
ckamp,
2015-01-16, 16:06
- <3 - SonofMacPhisto, 2015-01-16, 16:36
- You're close; I've got better style. -
ckamp,
2015-01-16, 16:06
- You're close; I've got better style. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2015-01-16, 15:13
- Well played! -
BeardFade,
2015-01-16, 14:50
- Commodify All The Things! -
ckamp,
2015-01-16, 14:45
- Commodify All The Things! -
SonofMacPhisto,
2015-01-16, 15:16
- Thank you. - BeardFade, 2015-01-16, 15:25
- Commodify All The Things! -
nash,
2015-01-16, 14:37
- Why? - Ragashingo, 2015-01-16, 14:39
- Distinguishing between criticism and misrepresenting reality -
ckamp,
2015-01-16, 15:00
- Distinguishing between criticism and misrepresenting reality -
SonofMacPhisto,
2015-01-16, 15:10
- Distinguishing between criticism and misrepresenting reality -
BeardFade,
2015-01-16, 15:24
- Let's try this again? - SonofMacPhisto, 2015-01-16, 16:41
- Distinguishing between criticism and misrepresenting reality - Kermit, 2015-01-16, 15:28
- Distinguishing between criticism and misrepresenting reality -
Avateur,
2015-01-16, 15:32
- Distinguishing between criticism and misrepresenting reality - SonofMacPhisto, 2015-01-16, 16:38
- Distinguishing between criticism and misrepresenting reality -
BeardFade,
2015-01-16, 15:24
- Distinguishing between criticism and misrepresenting reality -
SonofMacPhisto,
2015-01-16, 15:10
- +2 -
Avateur,
2015-01-16, 12:06
- Why? -
SonofMacPhisto,
2015-01-16, 11:53
- Guess I have to ditch iron banner -
Kermit,
2015-01-16, 12:35
- Guess I have to ditch iron banner - SonofMacPhisto, 2015-01-16, 12:48
- Why? -
someotherguy,
2015-01-16, 11:48
- How is Destiny's system an economy if there is no trade? -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-16, 12:30
- Economics. I do not think it means what you think it means. -
Korny,
2015-01-16, 12:39
- Economics. I do not think it means what you think it means. -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-16, 13:16
- Time sinks -
nico,
2015-01-16, 13:23
- Time sinks -
Avateur,
2015-01-16, 13:25
- Time sinks -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-16, 13:37
- Time sinks -
Avateur,
2015-01-16, 14:00
- Time sinks -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-16, 14:58
- Time sinks -
Avateur,
2015-01-16, 15:24
- Time sinks -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-16, 15:41
- Time sinks - Avateur, 2015-01-16, 15:50
- Time sinks -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-16, 15:41
- Time sinks -
Avateur,
2015-01-16, 15:24
- Time sinks -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-16, 14:58
- Time sinks -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-16, 14:24
- Time sinks -
Korny,
2015-01-16, 14:40
- Wow. Burn. Like Nightfall level burn. - Ragashingo, 2015-01-16, 14:49
- Time sinks -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-16, 15:57
- Time sinks -
Korny,
2015-01-16, 16:29
- Time sinks -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-16, 16:32
- Time sinks - Korny, 2015-01-16, 17:10
- Time sinks -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-16, 16:32
- Time sinks -
Korny,
2015-01-16, 16:29
- Time sinks -
Korny,
2015-01-16, 14:40
- As someone who fits the "power player" profile... - Korny, 2015-01-16, 14:24
- Time sinks -
Avateur,
2015-01-16, 14:00
- Time sinks - nico, 2015-01-16, 13:39
- Time sinks -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-16, 13:37
- Time sinks -
Avateur,
2015-01-16, 13:25
- Economics. I do not think it means what you think it means. - Ragashingo, 2015-01-16, 14:45
- Time sinks -
nico,
2015-01-16, 13:23
- Economics. I do not think it means what you think it means. -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-16, 13:16
- How is Destiny's system an economy if there is no trade? -
BeardFade,
2015-01-16, 16:57
- How is Destiny's system an economy if there is no trade? -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-16, 17:02
- How is Destiny's system an economy if there is no trade? - scarab, 2015-01-17, 00:33
- How is Destiny's system an economy if there is no trade? - Spec ops Grunt, 2015-01-17, 13:14
- How is Destiny's system an economy if there is no trade? -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-16, 17:02
- Economics. I do not think it means what you think it means. -
Korny,
2015-01-16, 12:39
- Guess I have to ditch iron banner -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-16, 10:51
- On relative lack of Heavy ammo - RaichuKFM, 2015-01-16, 11:01
- REKT - Revenant1988, 2015-01-16, 11:04
- Iron Banner requires Glimmer Farming, too -
Kahzgul,
2015-01-16, 11:34
- Iron Banner requires Glimmer Farming, too - unoudid, 2015-01-16, 11:40
- Go buy some from Eris? -
Beorn,
2015-01-16, 11:36
- this - Schedonnardus, 2015-01-16, 13:03
- heavy ammo cheese? - Schedonnardus, 2015-01-16, 13:11
- Trading? - nico, 2015-01-16, 13:47
- Guess I have to ditch iron banner - Ragashingo, 2015-01-16, 15:10
- It's just a game after all - R41, 2015-01-16, 16:06
- Guess I have to ditch iron banner - Morpheus, 2015-01-17, 19:29
- Guess I have to ditch iron banner - Malagate, 2015-01-19, 07:41