Do we really want games to surprise us? (Gaming)
by Harmanimus 
, Wednesday, August 09, 2017, 12:49 (2664 days ago) @ Korny
I think the issue is that the wording frames it a) in the negative and b) as a detraction from the game. Specifically the implication of "grinding" which is in all cases player fabricated and player enforced. A developer cannot make you grind, so the presentation leaves a sour taste for many folks who don't choose to treat it as a flaw.
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- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Korny,
2017-08-09, 11:47
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- Do we really want games to surprise us? - Cody Miller, 2017-08-09, 12:21
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Ragashingo,
2017-08-09, 12:24
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-09, 12:25
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
ManKitten,
2017-08-09, 12:33
- ^ this - Robot Chickens, 2017-08-09, 14:28
- Do we really want games to surprise us? - MacAddictXIV, 2017-08-09, 12:43
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
ManKitten,
2017-08-09, 12:33
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Korny,
2017-08-09, 12:43
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Harmanimus,
2017-08-09, 12:49
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Korny,
2017-08-09, 12:59
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-09, 13:03
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Malagate,
2017-08-09, 13:15
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Cody Miller,
2017-08-09, 13:41
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Korny,
2017-08-09, 13:55
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Cody Miller,
2017-08-09, 13:57
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Korny,
2017-08-09, 14:01
- You're not wrong, but . . . - cheapLEY, 2017-08-09, 18:42
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Xenos,
2017-08-09, 14:03
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2017-08-09, 14:06
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2017-08-09, 14:06
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2017-08-09, 14:10
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Xenos,
2017-08-09, 14:14
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Vortech,
2017-08-09, 14:25
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Vortech,
2017-08-09, 14:25
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Cody Miller,
2017-08-09, 15:16
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Xenos,
2017-08-09, 14:14
- It's about effort and empathy. -
narcogen,
2017-08-11, 01:33
- +1 - Kermit, 2017-08-11, 08:58
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Korny,
2017-08-09, 14:01
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Schooly D,
2017-08-10, 07:48
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Robot Chickens,
2017-08-10, 12:04
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CruelLEGACEY,
2017-08-10, 09:56
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Korny,
2017-08-10, 10:07
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CruelLEGACEY,
2017-08-10, 10:32
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Korny,
2017-08-10, 10:45
- #Cruelwaswrong - Cody Miller, 2017-08-10, 10:50
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Korny,
2017-08-10, 10:45
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Cody Miller,
2017-08-10, 10:42
- #Cruelwaswrong - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-08-10, 10:45
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Korny,
2017-08-10, 10:56
- #Codyiswrongyetagain - Cody Miller, 2017-08-10, 11:09
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CruelLEGACEY,
2017-08-10, 10:32
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Robot Chickens,
2017-08-10, 10:23
- Just read that again. My apologies -
Robot Chickens,
2017-08-10, 12:00
- Just read that again. My apologies - Cody Miller, 2017-08-10, 12:43
- Just read that again. My apologies -
Robot Chickens,
2017-08-10, 12:00
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Korny,
2017-08-10, 10:07
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Cody Miller,
2017-08-09, 13:57
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Korny,
2017-08-09, 13:55
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Cody Miller,
2017-08-09, 13:41
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
DiscipleN2k,
2017-08-09, 13:19
- Mostly the third, but 100% accurate. -
Funkmon,
2017-08-09, 23:34
- Mostly the third, but 100% accurate.
- Do we really want games to surprise us? - narcogen, 2017-08-11, 01:25
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Malagate,
2017-08-09, 13:15
- Do we really want games to surprise us? - Harmanimus, 2017-08-09, 13:59
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-09, 13:03
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Korny,
2017-08-09, 12:59
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Ragashingo,
2017-08-09, 14:34
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Korny,
2017-08-09, 15:14
- Do we really want games to surprise us? - Ragashingo, 2017-08-09, 19:04
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Korny,
2017-08-09, 15:14
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Harmanimus,
2017-08-09, 12:49
- Do we really want games to surprise us? - General Vagueness, 2017-08-23, 13:04
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-09, 12:25
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
ManKitten,
2017-08-09, 13:21
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Korny,
2017-08-09, 13:40
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Harmanimus,
2017-08-09, 14:10
- Do we really want games to surprise us? - stabbim, 2017-08-10, 10:03
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Harmanimus,
2017-08-09, 14:10
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Korny,
2017-08-09, 13:40
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Malagate,
2017-08-09, 13:27
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-09, 13:48
- Do we really want games to surprise us? - ManKitten, 2017-08-09, 13:51
- Your failure in presentation ... -
Harmanimus,
2017-08-09, 14:19
- Your failure in presentation ... - Ragashingo, 2017-08-09, 14:43
- Point already made, but you're being stubborn, so... - Claude Errera, 2017-08-09, 16:47
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
cheapLEY,
2017-08-09, 18:46
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Harmanimus,
2017-08-09, 22:29
- Do we really want games to surprise us? - Cody Miller, 2017-08-09, 23:41
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Harmanimus,
2017-08-09, 22:29
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-09, 13:48
- Yes. That does not mean I will like the game when they do. -
Vortech,
2017-08-09, 13:52
- Yes. Also no. -
ZackDark,
2017-08-09, 14:38
- Yes. Also no. - Cody Miller, 2017-08-09, 15:08
- Yes. Also no. -
Ragashingo,
2017-08-09, 16:02
- Yes. Also no. - Claude Errera, 2017-08-09, 16:49
- yes. See also HZD. -
Kermit,
2017-08-09, 14:52
- yes. See also HZD. - Cody Miller, 2017-08-09, 15:13
- Do we really want games to surprise us? - DEEP_NNN, 2017-08-09, 16:04
- Do we really want games to surprise us? - INSANEdrive, 2017-08-09, 16:26
- Just one thing: - cheapLEY, 2017-08-09, 18:38
- I hate surprises. -
Funkmon,
2017-08-09, 23:25
- I hate surprises. -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-09, 23:39
- I hate surprises. -
Funkmon,
2017-08-09, 23:42
- I hate surprises. -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-09, 23:42
- I hate surprises. - Funkmon, 2017-08-09, 23:43
- I hate surprises. -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-09, 23:42
- I hate surprises. -
Funkmon,
2017-08-09, 23:42
- Was the Flood a suprise? -
Robot Chickens,
2017-08-10, 10:07
- Yes. -
Funkmon,
2017-08-10, 10:49
- Yes. -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-10, 11:07
- Sounds like you did think to try them. -
Funkmon,
2017-08-10, 11:20
- Sounds like you did think to try them. -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-10, 12:42
- Sounds like you did think to try them. -
Claude Errera,
2017-08-10, 15:52
- Sounds like you did think to try them. -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-10, 18:25
- Words is hard. XD -
INSANEdrive,
2017-08-10, 18:29
- Words is hard. XD
- Sounds like you did think to try them. -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-10, 18:25
- Sounds like you did think to try them. -
Claude Errera,
2017-08-10, 15:52
- Sounds like you did think to try them. -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-10, 12:42
- Yes. - Vortech, 2017-08-16, 07:55
- Sounds like you did think to try them. -
Funkmon,
2017-08-10, 11:20
- Yes. - Robot Chickens, 2017-08-10, 11:58
- Yes. -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-10, 11:07
- Yes. -
Funkmon,
2017-08-10, 10:49
- I hate surprises. -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-09, 23:39
- I do, but I'm also not normal, right? - Kahzgul, 2017-08-10, 16:46
- This game definitely surprises... - Korny, 2017-08-10, 22:57
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
cheapLEY,
2017-08-17, 19:32
- Hellblade really feels like an important game for the medium - Korny, 2017-08-18, 12:19
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
General Vagueness,
2017-08-23, 13:01
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Korny,
2017-08-23, 14:48
- Have you ever come across the permadeath? -
ZackDark,
2017-08-23, 15:51
- Have you ever come across the permadeath? *Spoilers* -
Korny,
2017-08-23, 18:18
- Have you ever come across the permadeath? *Spoilers* -
General Vagueness,
2017-08-25, 21:04
- Have you ever come across the permadeath? *Spoilers* -
Korny,
2017-08-25, 22:59
- Have you ever come across the permadeath? *Spoilers* - General Vagueness, 2017-08-26, 15:21
- Have you ever come across the permadeath? *Spoilers* -
Korny,
2017-08-25, 22:59
- Have you ever come across the permadeath? *Spoilers* -
General Vagueness,
2017-08-25, 21:04
- Have you ever come across the permadeath? *Spoilers* -
Korny,
2017-08-23, 18:18
- Have you ever come across the permadeath?
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Korny,
2017-08-23, 14:48