Do we really want games to surprise us? (Gaming)
I think the issue is that the wording frames it a) in the negative and b) as a detraction from the game. Specifically the implication of "grinding" which is in all cases player fabricated and player enforced. A developer cannot make you grind, so the presentation leaves a sour taste for many folks who don't choose to treat it as a flaw.
Well, I meant it more in the sense that it would be safe and predictable (hence the word "coast"). I mean, those terms aren't inherently flaws to me, but you aren't likely to be caught off guard, or hit with a truly game-changing moment.
I've often argued against folks like Cruel, who bemoan grinds, and who claim that you need to "grind for weeks" in Destiny to have fun or succeed. Those claims are false. You only grind as much as you want to. There are tons of different activities to do, and all of them these days help you get ahead.
But we're familiar with these activities. I wanted to highlight a game that goes completely against what we're familiar with in gaming in general, and contrasting that with Destiny's consistent direction was, I felt, an effective way to set up the new things brought to the table. I wasn't expecting to trigger Raga.
Complete thread:
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Korny,
2017-08-09, 11:47
- Do we really want games to surprise us? - Cody Miller, 2017-08-09, 12:21
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Ragashingo,
2017-08-09, 12:24
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-09, 12:25
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
ManKitten,
2017-08-09, 12:33
- ^ this - Robot Chickens, 2017-08-09, 14:28
- Do we really want games to surprise us? - MacAddictXIV, 2017-08-09, 12:43
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
ManKitten,
2017-08-09, 12:33
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Korny,
2017-08-09, 12:43
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Harmanimus,
2017-08-09, 12:49
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Korny,
2017-08-09, 12:59
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-09, 13:03
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Malagate,
2017-08-09, 13:15
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Cody Miller,
2017-08-09, 13:41
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Korny,
2017-08-09, 13:55
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Cody Miller,
2017-08-09, 13:57
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Korny,
2017-08-09, 14:01
- You're not wrong, but . . . - cheapLEY, 2017-08-09, 18:42
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Xenos,
2017-08-09, 14:03
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Cody Miller,
2017-08-09, 14:06
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Cody Miller,
2017-08-09, 14:06
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Vortech,
2017-08-09, 14:10
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Xenos,
2017-08-09, 14:14
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Vortech,
2017-08-09, 14:25
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Vortech,
2017-08-09, 14:25
- justyouropinionman.jpeg - ManKitten, 2017-08-09, 14:27
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Cody Miller,
2017-08-09, 15:16
- justyouropinionman.jpeg - Ragashingo, 2017-08-09, 19:17
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Xenos,
2017-08-09, 14:14
- It's about effort and empathy. -
narcogen,
2017-08-11, 01:33
- +1 - Kermit, 2017-08-11, 08:58
- justyouropinionman.jpeg - General Vagueness, 2017-08-21, 20:42
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Korny,
2017-08-09, 14:01
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Schooly D,
2017-08-10, 07:48
- Gold - Robot Chickens, 2017-08-10, 12:04
- justyouropinionman.jpeg - Korny, 2017-08-10, 12:27
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CruelLEGACEY,
2017-08-10, 09:56
- #Cruelwaswrong -
Korny,
2017-08-10, 10:07
- #Cruelwaswrong -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-08-10, 10:32
- #Cruelwaswrong -
Korny,
2017-08-10, 10:45
- #Cruelwaswrong - Cody Miller, 2017-08-10, 10:50
- #Cruelwaswrong -
Korny,
2017-08-10, 10:45
- #KornyIsMisleading -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-10, 10:42
- #Cruelwaswrong - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-08-10, 10:45
- #Codyiswrongyetagain -
Korny,
2017-08-10, 10:56
- #Codyiswrongyetagain - Cody Miller, 2017-08-10, 11:09
- #Cruelwaswrong -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-08-10, 10:32
- Please add this to the end of every post. Saves time! -
Robot Chickens,
2017-08-10, 10:23
- Just read that again. My apologies -
Robot Chickens,
2017-08-10, 12:00
- Just read that again. My apologies - Cody Miller, 2017-08-10, 12:43
- Just read that again. My apologies -
Robot Chickens,
2017-08-10, 12:00
- #Cruelwaswrong -
Korny,
2017-08-10, 10:07
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Cody Miller,
2017-08-09, 13:57
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Korny,
2017-08-09, 13:55
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Cody Miller,
2017-08-09, 13:41
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
DiscipleN2k,
2017-08-09, 13:19
- Mostly the third, but 100% accurate. - Funkmon, 2017-08-09, 23:34
- Do we really want games to surprise us? - narcogen, 2017-08-11, 01:25
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Malagate,
2017-08-09, 13:15
- Do we really want games to surprise us? - Harmanimus, 2017-08-09, 13:59
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-09, 13:03
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Korny,
2017-08-09, 12:59
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Ragashingo,
2017-08-09, 14:34
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Korny,
2017-08-09, 15:14
- Do we really want games to surprise us? - Ragashingo, 2017-08-09, 19:04
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Korny,
2017-08-09, 15:14
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Harmanimus,
2017-08-09, 12:49
- Do we really want games to surprise us? - General Vagueness, 2017-08-23, 13:04
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-09, 12:25
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
ManKitten,
2017-08-09, 13:21
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Korny,
2017-08-09, 13:40
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Harmanimus,
2017-08-09, 14:10
- Do we really want games to surprise us? - stabbim, 2017-08-10, 10:03
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Harmanimus,
2017-08-09, 14:10
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Korny,
2017-08-09, 13:40
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Malagate,
2017-08-09, 13:27
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-09, 13:48
- Do we really want games to surprise us? - ManKitten, 2017-08-09, 13:51
- Your failure in presentation ... -
Harmanimus,
2017-08-09, 14:19
- Your failure in presentation ... - Ragashingo, 2017-08-09, 14:43
- Point already made, but you're being stubborn, so... - Claude Errera, 2017-08-09, 16:47
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
cheapLEY,
2017-08-09, 18:46
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Harmanimus,
2017-08-09, 22:29
- Do we really want games to surprise us? - Cody Miller, 2017-08-09, 23:41
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Harmanimus,
2017-08-09, 22:29
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-09, 13:48
- Yes. That does not mean I will like the game when they do. - Vortech, 2017-08-09, 13:52
- Yes. Also no. -
ZackDark,
2017-08-09, 14:38
- Yes. Also no. - Cody Miller, 2017-08-09, 15:08
- Yes. Also no. -
Ragashingo,
2017-08-09, 16:02
- Yes. Also no. - Claude Errera, 2017-08-09, 16:49
- yes. See also HZD. -
Kermit,
2017-08-09, 14:52
- yes. See also HZD. - Cody Miller, 2017-08-09, 15:13
- Do we really want games to surprise us? - DEEP_NNN, 2017-08-09, 16:04
- Do we really want games to surprise us? - INSANEdrive, 2017-08-09, 16:26
- Just one thing: - cheapLEY, 2017-08-09, 18:38
- I hate surprises. -
Funkmon,
2017-08-09, 23:25
- I hate surprises. -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-09, 23:39
- I hate surprises. -
Funkmon,
2017-08-09, 23:42
- I hate surprises. -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-09, 23:42
- I hate surprises. - Funkmon, 2017-08-09, 23:43
- I hate surprises. -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-09, 23:42
- I hate surprises. -
Funkmon,
2017-08-09, 23:42
- Was the Flood a suprise? -
Robot Chickens,
2017-08-10, 10:07
- Yes. -
Funkmon,
2017-08-10, 10:49
- Yes. -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-10, 11:07
- Sounds like you did think to try them. -
Funkmon,
2017-08-10, 11:20
- Sounds like you did think to try them. -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-10, 12:42
- Sounds like you did think to try them. -
Claude Errera,
2017-08-10, 15:52
- Sounds like you did think to try them. -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-10, 18:25
- Words is hard. XD - INSANEdrive, 2017-08-10, 18:29
- Sounds like you did think to try them. -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-10, 18:25
- Sounds like you did think to try them. -
Claude Errera,
2017-08-10, 15:52
- Sounds like you did think to try them. -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-10, 12:42
- Yes. - Vortech, 2017-08-16, 07:55
- Sounds like you did think to try them. -
Funkmon,
2017-08-10, 11:20
- Yes. - Robot Chickens, 2017-08-10, 11:58
- Yes. -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-10, 11:07
- Yes. -
Funkmon,
2017-08-10, 10:49
- I hate surprises. -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-09, 23:39
- I do, but I'm also not normal, right? - Kahzgul, 2017-08-10, 16:46
- This game definitely surprises... - Korny, 2017-08-10, 22:57
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
cheapLEY,
2017-08-17, 19:32
- Hellblade really feels like an important game for the medium - Korny, 2017-08-18, 12:19
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
General Vagueness,
2017-08-23, 13:01
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Korny,
2017-08-23, 14:48
- Have you ever come across the permadeath? -
ZackDark,
2017-08-23, 15:51
- Have you ever come across the permadeath? *Spoilers* -
Korny,
2017-08-23, 18:18
- Have you ever come across the permadeath? *Spoilers* -
General Vagueness,
2017-08-25, 21:04
- Have you ever come across the permadeath? *Spoilers* -
Korny,
2017-08-25, 22:59
- Have you ever come across the permadeath? *Spoilers* - General Vagueness, 2017-08-26, 15:21
- Have you ever come across the permadeath? *Spoilers* -
Korny,
2017-08-25, 22:59
- Have you ever come across the permadeath? *Spoilers* -
General Vagueness,
2017-08-25, 21:04
- Have you ever come across the permadeath? *Spoilers* -
Korny,
2017-08-23, 18:18
- Have you ever come across the permadeath? -
ZackDark,
2017-08-23, 15:51
- Do we really want games to surprise us? -
Korny,
2017-08-23, 14:48