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Dynamic Difficulty Levels: PvE game design theory at work (Destiny)
Diablo 2: The main game is completable by level 30 for most players. Then there is a "nightmare mode" which sounds at first like a difficulty selection (as it is a repeat of the normal campaign), but is actually a linear progression from the normal mode enemy levels. Nightmare is completable around level 60 for most players, and then hell mode is completable around level 90. Players can level up to 99, putting them easily 10% more powerful than the hardest content in the game. For some players, being the most powerful player they can be is the goal, and they level to 99 as much as possible.
Hell is significantly harder than normal, even when level appropriate. The problem with these systems of adjusting avatar and enemy power with levels is:
1. Expert players must always start the game on easy mode.
2. It encourages bad players to just level up, instead of explore the game and get better
3. It is too much work for the player to get things such that it is an appropriate difficulty for them.
If you are an expert, you have to go out of your way to avoid killing things and leveling up. If you are a novice, you have to spend time grinding to get your level up.
A difficulty selector just gives you an appropriate challenge with less than a second of work. You can even retain avatar power increasing: Deus Ex let you both power up your character, AND select a difficulty level.
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- Dynamic Difficulty Levels: PvE game design theory at work -
Kahzgul,
2017-12-26, 12:49
- Dynamic Difficulty Levels: PvE game design theory at work -
Ragashingo,
2017-12-26, 13:22
- Dynamic Difficulty Levels: PvE game design theory at work -
Kahzgul,
2017-12-26, 13:49
- So... you're just trolling me, right? -
Ragashingo,
2017-12-26, 15:14
- So... you're just trolling me, right? -
Kahzgul,
2017-12-26, 15:15
- So... you're just trolling me, right? -
Harmanimus,
2017-12-26, 15:19
- So... you're just trolling me, right? - Kahzgul, 2017-12-26, 16:02
- So... you're just trolling me, right? -
Ragashingo,
2017-12-26, 15:46
- So... you're just trolling me, right? - Kahzgul, 2017-12-26, 16:05
- So... you're just trolling me, right? -
cheapLEY,
2017-12-26, 16:15
- So... you're just trolling me, right? -
Kahzgul,
2017-12-26, 16:26
- So... you're just trolling me, right? -
cheapLEY,
2017-12-26, 17:14
- So... you're just trolling me, right? - Kahzgul, 2017-12-26, 17:38
- So... you're just trolling me, right? -
cheapLEY,
2017-12-26, 17:14
- So... you're just trolling me, right? -
Kahzgul,
2017-12-26, 16:26
- So... you're just trolling me, right? -
Harmanimus,
2017-12-26, 15:19
- So... you're just trolling me, right? -
Kahzgul,
2017-12-26, 15:15
- Dynamic Difficulty Levels: PvE game design theory at work -
Ragashingo,
2017-12-26, 15:43
- Dynamic Difficulty Levels: PvE game design theory at work -
Kahzgul,
2017-12-26, 16:25
- Dynamic Difficulty Levels: PvE game design theory at work -
Harmanimus,
2017-12-26, 16:44
- Dynamic Difficulty Levels: PvE game design theory at work -
Kahzgul,
2017-12-26, 16:58
- Observable purpose. -
Harmanimus,
2017-12-26, 17:03
- Observable purpose. -
Kahzgul,
2017-12-26, 17:14
- Observable purpose. -
Harmanimus,
2017-12-26, 18:46
- Observable purpose. -
Kahzgul,
2017-12-26, 23:12
- Observable purpose. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-12-27, 06:19
- Observable purpose. - Kahzgul, 2017-12-27, 11:03
- Observable purpose. - Cody Miller, 2017-12-27, 12:38
- Observable purpose. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-12-27, 06:19
- Observable purpose. -
Kahzgul,
2017-12-26, 23:12
- Observable purpose. -
Harmanimus,
2017-12-26, 18:46
- Observable purpose. -
Kahzgul,
2017-12-26, 17:14
- Observable purpose. -
Harmanimus,
2017-12-26, 17:03
- Dynamic Difficulty Levels: PvE game design theory at work -
Kahzgul,
2017-12-26, 16:58
- Dynamic Difficulty Levels: PvE game design theory at work -
cheapLEY,
2017-12-26, 17:25
- Dynamic Difficulty Levels: PvE game design theory at work - Kahzgul, 2017-12-26, 17:41
- Dynamic Difficulty Levels: PvE game design theory at work -
Harmanimus,
2017-12-26, 16:44
- Dynamic Difficulty Levels: PvE game design theory at work -
Kahzgul,
2017-12-26, 16:25
- So... you're just trolling me, right? -
Ragashingo,
2017-12-26, 15:14
- Dynamic Difficulty Levels: PvE game design theory at work -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-26, 20:34
- Darn. If only I’d tried that! :p
- Ragashingo, 2017-12-26, 22:10
- Darn. If only I’d tried that! :p
- Dynamic Difficulty Levels: PvE game design theory at work -
Kahzgul,
2017-12-26, 13:49
- Dynamic Difficulty Levels: PvE game design theory at work -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-26, 14:17
- Dynamic Difficulty Levels: PvE game design theory at work -
Kahzgul,
2017-12-26, 14:41
- Dynamic Difficulty Levels: PvE game design theory at work -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-26, 15:08
- Dynamic Difficulty Levels: PvE game design theory at work -
Kahzgul,
2017-12-26, 15:15
- Dynamic Difficulty Levels: PvE game design theory at work -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-12-27, 10:44
- Dynamic Difficulty Levels: PvE game design theory at work - Kahzgul, 2017-12-27, 11:04
- Dynamic Difficulty Levels: PvE game design theory at work - Ragashingo, 2017-12-27, 12:22
- Dynamic Difficulty Levels: PvE game design theory at work -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-12-27, 10:44
- Dynamic Difficulty Levels: PvE game design theory at work -
Kahzgul,
2017-12-26, 15:15
- Dynamic Difficulty Levels: PvE game design theory at work -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-26, 15:08
- Dynamic Difficulty Levels: PvE game design theory at work -
Kahzgul,
2017-12-26, 14:41
- I disagree with most of this on a base level. -
Harmanimus,
2017-12-26, 14:43
- I disagree with most of this on a base level. -
Kahzgul,
2017-12-26, 14:56
- I disagree with most of this on a base level. -
Harmanimus,
2017-12-26, 15:04
- I disagree with most of this on a base level. -
Kahzgul,
2017-12-26, 15:14
- I disagree with most of this on a base level. -
Harmanimus,
2017-12-26, 15:38
- I disagree with most of this on a base level. -
Kahzgul,
2017-12-26, 16:34
- I disagree with most of this on a base level. -
Harmanimus,
2017-12-26, 16:55
- I disagree with most of this on a base level. -
Kahzgul,
2017-12-26, 17:13
- I disagree with most of this on a base level. - Harmanimus, 2017-12-26, 18:44
- I disagree with most of this on a base level. -
Kahzgul,
2017-12-26, 17:13
- I disagree with most of this on a base level. -
Harmanimus,
2017-12-26, 16:55
- I disagree with most of this on a base level. -
Kahzgul,
2017-12-26, 16:34
- I disagree with most of this on a base level. -
Harmanimus,
2017-12-26, 15:38
- I disagree with most of this on a base level. -
Kahzgul,
2017-12-26, 15:14
- I disagree with most of this on a base level. -
Harmanimus,
2017-12-26, 15:04
- I disagree with most of this on a base level. -
Kahzgul,
2017-12-26, 14:56
- I still think Destiny could learn a lot from Diablo 3. -
cheapLEY,
2017-12-26, 17:21
- I still think Destiny could learn a lot from Diablo 3. -
Kahzgul,
2017-12-26, 17:43
- I still think Destiny could learn a lot from Diablo 3. -
EffortlessFury,
2017-12-26, 18:47
- I still think Destiny could learn a lot from Diablo 3. -
Kahzgul,
2017-12-26, 23:21
- I still think Destiny could learn a lot from Diablo 3. -
EffortlessFury,
2017-12-27, 09:09
- I still think Destiny could learn a lot from Diablo 3. -
Kahzgul,
2017-12-27, 11:09
- I still think Destiny could learn a lot from Diablo 3. - EffortlessFury, 2017-12-27, 15:47
- I still think Destiny could learn a lot from Diablo 3. -
Kahzgul,
2017-12-27, 11:09
- I still think Destiny could learn a lot from Diablo 3. -
Ragashingo,
2017-12-27, 12:07
- I still think Destiny could learn a lot from Diablo 3. -
cheapLEY,
2017-12-27, 12:29
- Resources. -
Harmanimus,
2017-12-27, 12:42
- Resources. -
cheapLEY,
2017-12-27, 13:15
- Resources. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-12-27, 14:34
- Resources. -
cheapLEY,
2017-12-27, 18:19
- Resources. Piloting Destiny 2 Vehicles = meh. -
dogcow,
2017-12-28, 07:32
- Resources. Piloting Destiny 2 Vehicles = meh. - Ragashingo, 2017-12-28, 10:34
- Resources. Piloting Destiny 2 Vehicles = meh. -
dogcow,
2017-12-28, 07:32
- Resources. -
Cody Miller,
2017-12-27, 18:23
- Resources. - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-12-27, 18:27
- Is that a joke? -
cheapLEY,
2017-12-27, 18:35
- Is that a joke? - Kahzgul, 2017-12-28, 12:04
- Resources. - Kahzgul, 2017-12-28, 12:01
- Resources. -
cheapLEY,
2017-12-27, 18:19
- Resources. -
Harmanimus,
2017-12-28, 09:25
- Resources. -
cheapLEY,
2017-12-28, 09:37
- Resources. - Harmanimus, 2017-12-28, 10:23
- Resources. -
cheapLEY,
2017-12-28, 09:37
- Resources. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-12-27, 14:34
- Resources. -
cheapLEY,
2017-12-27, 13:15
- Resources. -
Harmanimus,
2017-12-27, 12:42
- I still think Destiny could learn a lot from Diablo 3. -
cheapLEY,
2017-12-27, 12:29
- I still think Destiny could learn a lot from Diablo 3. -
EffortlessFury,
2017-12-27, 09:09
- I still think Destiny could learn a lot from Diablo 3. -
Kahzgul,
2017-12-26, 23:21
- I still think Destiny could learn a lot from Diablo 3. -
EffortlessFury,
2017-12-26, 18:47
- I still think Destiny could learn a lot from Diablo 3. -
Kahzgul,
2017-12-26, 17:43
- Dynamic Difficulty Levels: PvE game design theory at work -
Ragashingo,
2017-12-26, 13:22