Why rewards always devalue the game experience

by Jillybean, Monday, April 22, 2013, 11:57 (4232 days ago) @ Cody Miller

I agree, and this is why I think modern gaming is regressing. It's precisely for this reason. Developers reward to players to engage, instead of simply being intrinsically engaging!

Quelle surprise I agree with you, partially. Modern gaming is reward-based, with perhaps a few exceptions. We have gamers which are motivated by reward (MR) and gamers which are motivated by engagement (ME). Games need to be designed, and if you're designing for an MR player, you may not be catering for an ME player. Vice versa, a game designed for ME players may not keep the interest of MR players.

However, I don't agree that MR players can only enjoy rewards and the ME players can only enjoy engagement. I think it's much more multifaceted.

In saying that, if you are an extreme ME or MR player, you'll probably be drawn to very different games.

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Why rewards always devalue the game experience - Cody Miller, 2013-04-19, 16:13
- Why rewards always devalue the game experience - ZackDark, 2013-04-19, 17:00
  - Why rewards always devalue the game experience - Cody Miller, 2013-04-20, 11:26
    - Why rewards always devalue the game experience - SonofMacPhisto, 2013-04-20, 12:01
      - Why rewards always devalue the game experience - stabbim, 2013-04-23, 09:09
- Why rewards always devalue the game experience - RaichuKFM, 2013-04-19, 17:00
- Why rewards always devalue the game experience - Ragashingo, 2013-04-19, 17:42
  - Why rewards always devalue the game experience - Cody Miller, 2013-04-19, 17:49
    - Why rewards always devalue the game experience - Malagate, 2013-04-19, 18:13
- Why rewards always devalue the game experience - Xenos, 2013-04-19, 18:53
- "Only a Miller deals in absolutes." -Oobedoob Benubi - Leviathan, 2013-04-19, 20:18
  - Worst thought out line ever in a movie - ZackDark, 2013-04-19, 20:21
    - Worst thought out [...] movie. - Leviathan, 2013-04-19, 21:47
      - Battles were pretty sweet, though - ZackDark, 2013-04-19, 22:04
        
        Contradicts "Do or Do Not, There is No Try" - RaichuKFM, 2013-04-20, 07:03
        
        And "From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!" - Quirel, 2013-04-20, 22:50
        
        I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough. It gets everywhere - Cody Miller, 2013-04-21, 13:06
        
        You don’t want to sell me death sticks. - Xenos, 2013-04-21, 14:37
        
        "I thought they smelled bad on the outside." - ZackDark, 2013-04-21, 16:20
        
        WRONG TRILOGY! How dare you... - Leviathan, 2013-04-21, 19:14
        
        WRONG TRILOGY! How dare you... - ZackDark, 2013-04-21, 21:58
        
        This thread is getting heavy, Doc. - SonofMacPhisto, 2013-04-22, 08:24
        
        Is that a quote from VII? - Xenos, 2013-04-22, 08:52
        
        We've been here before, - Chewbaccawakka, 2013-04-22, 10:02
        
        It is a strange fate... - Mr Daax, 2013-04-22, 22:26
        
        That is the sound of inevitability... - thebruce, 2013-04-24, 06:48
        
        Is that a quote from VII? - Cody Miller, 2013-04-22, 10:45
        
        Not just the men, but the WOMEN, and the CHILDREN too! - Cold, 2013-04-22, 11:48
        
        Now THIS is Pod Racing! - Cody Miller, 2013-04-22, 14:08
        
        It's working! It's workiiiiiiiing! - ZackDark, 2013-04-22, 14:09
        
        Holy Nostalgia - katancik, 2013-04-22, 20:47
        
        Yippeee! - Quirel, 2013-04-22, 20:54
- Why rewards always devalue the game experience - Kalamari, 2013-04-20, 09:24
- Why rewards always devalue the game experience - SonofMacPhisto, 2013-04-20, 10:58
- yes - Decom, 2013-04-20, 14:44
- Why rewards always devalue the game experience - Jillybean, 2013-04-21, 05:49
  - Why rewards always devalue the game experience - ZackDark, 2013-04-21, 08:46
    - Why rewards always devalue the game experience - Jillybean, 2013-04-21, 09:09
      - Why rewards always devalue the game experience - ZackDark, 2013-04-21, 09:28
      - Why rewards always devalue the game experience - John Hopson, 2013-04-22, 07:27
  - Why rewards always devalue the game experience - Cody Miller, 2013-04-21, 09:09
    - Why rewards always devalue the game experience - Jillybean, 2013-04-21, 09:11
      - Why rewards always devalue the game experience - Cody Miller, 2013-04-21, 09:32
        
        Why rewards always devalue the game experience - Jillybean, 2013-04-21, 09:38
        
        Why rewards always devalue the game experience - General Vagueness, 2013-05-09, 12:51
        
        Why rewards always devalue the game experience - Ragashingo, 2013-05-09, 13:13
        
        Why rewards always devalue the game experience - RaichuKFM, 2013-04-21, 09:50
        
        Why rewards always devalue the game experience - Xenos, 2013-04-21, 12:34
        
        Why rewards always devalue the game experience - SonofMacPhisto, 2013-04-21, 13:39
        
        Why rewards always devalue the game experience - thebruce, 2013-04-24, 07:00
        
        Why rewards always devalue the game experience - Xenos, 2013-04-24, 07:40
        
        Why rewards always devalue the game experience - thebruce, 2013-04-24, 08:01
        
        Why rewards always devalue the game experience - Xenos, 2013-04-24, 08:11
        
        Why rewards always devalue the game experience - Claude Errera, 2013-05-09, 13:21
  - Why rewards always devalue the game experience - kapowaz, 2013-04-22, 09:14
    - The problem is... - breitzen, 2013-04-22, 10:23
      - The problem is... - kapowaz, 2013-04-23, 01:43
        
        The problem is... - breitzen, 2013-04-23, 08:27
        
        The problem is... - Xenos, 2013-04-23, 10:04
        
        The problem is... - breitzen, 2013-04-23, 10:37
        
        Glad we agree :) - Xenos, 2013-04-23, 10:44
        
        Whoo!!!! - breitzen, 2013-04-23, 10:52
    - Why rewards always devalue the game experience - Cody Miller, 2013-04-22, 10:44
      - Why rewards always devalue the game experience - Jillybean, 2013-04-22, 11:57
        
        Great Explanation! - breitzen, 2013-04-22, 12:35
        
        Why rewards always devalue the game experience - uberfoop, 2013-04-22, 23:31
        
        Why rewards always devalue the game experience - thebruce, 2013-04-24, 07:19
        
        Why rewards always devalue the game experience - Jillybean, 2013-04-24, 08:00
        
        Why reward-motivated gaming can devalue the game experience - thebruce, 2013-04-24, 08:02
    - Why rewards always devalue the game experience - Cold, 2013-04-22, 12:04
      - Why rewards always devalue the game experience - RaichuKFM, 2013-04-22, 12:26
        
        Multitude of Difficulty Levels - Cold, 2013-04-23, 08:07
        
        Multitude of Difficulty Levels - thebruce, 2013-04-24, 07:30
        
        Difficulty Levels 1-7 - Cold, 2013-04-24, 09:04
        
        Difficulty Levels 1-7 - Cody Miller, 2013-04-24, 10:30
        
        Difficulty Levels 1-7 - Xenos, 2013-04-24, 11:11
        
        Difficulty Levels 1-7 - Cold, 2013-04-24, 12:47
        
        Difficulty Levels 1-7 - Cody Miller, 2013-04-24, 13:04
        
        Difficulty Levels 1-7 - Cold, 2013-04-24, 13:18
        
        Difficulty Levels 1-7 - Cold, 2013-04-24, 12:44
        
        Difficulty Levels 1-7 - Cody Miller, 2013-04-24, 13:00
        
        That is the very point... - Cold, 2013-04-24, 13:07
        
        That is the very point... - Cody Miller, 2013-04-24, 13:11
        
        That is the very point... - Cold, 2013-04-24, 13:22
- This is one of my problems with playing online. - Mercury, 2013-04-22, 14:39
  - Spot on. - thebruce, 2013-04-24, 07:32
- Why rewards always devalue the game experience - stabbim, 2013-04-23, 09:02
- Once again, Mr. Miller has it backwards - electricpirate, 2013-04-23, 10:16
  - Once again, Mr. Miller has it backwards - Cody Miller, 2013-04-23, 10:31
    - Once again, Mr. Miller has it backwards - electricpirate, 2013-04-23, 11:23
      - Once again, Mr. Miller has it backwards - Cody Miller, 2013-04-23, 11:40
        
        Once again, Mr. Miller has it backwards - RaichuKFM, 2013-04-23, 12:11
        
        Once again, Mr. Miller has it backwards - electricpirate, 2013-04-23, 12:16
        
        Once again, Mr. Miller has it backwards - Kermit, 2013-04-23, 12:25
        
        Once again, Mr. Miller has it backwards - SonofMacPhisto, 2013-04-23, 14:51
        
        Once again, Mr. Miller has it backwards - Kermit, 2013-04-23, 16:26
        
        Once again, Mr. Miller has it backwards - thebruce, 2013-04-24, 07:47
        
        Once again, Mr. Miller has it backwards - stabbim, 2013-04-24, 09:35
        
        Once again, Mr. Miller has it backwards - Cody Miller, 2013-04-24, 10:18
        
        Once again, Mr. Miller has it backwards - Xenos, 2013-04-24, 10:26
        
        Once again, Mr. Miller has it backwards - stabbim, 2013-04-24, 15:22
      - Once again, Mr. Miller has it backwards - Cody Miller, 2013-04-28, 21:48
        
        Once again, Mr. Miller has it backwards - RaichuKFM, 2013-04-29, 03:58
        
        Once again, Mr. Miller has it backwards - thebruce, 2013-04-29, 06:42
        
        Once again, Mr. Miller has it backwards - Kermit, 2013-04-29, 08:36
        
        Swings and round-a-bouts, Mr. Miller - RC, 2013-04-29, 11:03
        
        Swings and round-a-bouts, Mr. Miller - Cody Miller, 2013-04-29, 11:39
        
        Once again, Mr. Miller has it backwards - electricpirate, 2013-05-03, 07:34
        
        Once again, Mr. Miller has it backwards - General Vagueness, 2013-05-09, 16:27
- Kinda OT but . . . - Jillybean, 2013-04-24, 08:05
  - Nope, you're the devil! *NM* - Xenos, 2013-04-24, 08:14
  - Kinda OT but . . . - SonofMacPhisto, 2013-04-24, 14:18
  - Kinda OT but . . . - Flynn J Taggart, 2013-04-24, 17:04
    - Kinda OT but . . . - Cody Miller, 2013-04-24, 19:26
- Not much to add to the current conversation, but... - Mr Daax, 2013-04-24, 16:01
  - +1. Always thought so too. - ZackDark, 2013-04-24, 17:12
  - Dude's a genuine 21st century Socrates - Stephen Laughlin, 2013-04-28, 20:19
- A short commentary on games design - Oz Mills, 2013-04-30, 08:15
  - A short commentary on games design - kapowaz, 2013-04-30, 15:22
    - A short commentary on games design - Oz Mills, 2013-05-01, 02:29
- SO WHO WON? - Cody Miller, 2013-04-30, 19:29
  - I wasn't aware we needed a winner. *NM* - Oz Mills, 2013-05-01, 01:42
  - EVERYBODY. - RaichuKFM, 2013-05-01, 03:48
    - EVERYBODY. - ZackDark, 2013-05-01, 08:39
  - Jury's still out - thebruce, 2013-05-01, 07:55
    - Jury's still out - Oz Mills, 2013-05-01, 08:18
  - Ahah oops! - Cody Miller, 2013-05-01, 15:23
    - Heh, they just had. =P - ZackDark, 2013-05-01, 20:38

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