Too Big to Fail (Gaming)
Yup, I played narbacular drop. It was a lot of fun, and yes, it needed spit & polish. The innovation didn't come from Valve, the spit & polish came from Valve, the innovation came from a small number of people with the initial concept.
I mean, the only reason anyone has even heard of it is because of Valve. It's not a classic, but a footnote. Without Valve it'd just have been forgotten. Precisely because they had an idea, but not the resources to properly execute. I am not diminishing their creativity, but simply acknowledging you also need a great deal of money plus great ideas to make a cutting edge game.
In my mind, you don't need to be publicly known (50 million users) to be a cutting edge game. That's just a bonus. I never played narbacular drop, but from what I hear, they DID execute. They had a revolutionary game that no one had thought to make and people played it! That's a revolutionary game! Valve did provide the resources to add more value to it and promote it to more people, but ultimately it's the original designers, not Valve that made it cutting edge.
Cutting edge games get played because they are cutting edge. Especially in the age of the internet, word spreads fast. People thirst for quality, and if it's out there it will be found.
So you are saying that if a game is cutting edge enough, that word of mouth is all that is needed? I have some indie dev friends that would disagree.
I agree that games can flourish with word of mouth, but most still need a marketing boost. Regardless of this, a cutting edge game isn't defined by how many people play it. It should be defined by whether it brakes the edge of how we perceive games to be played and enjoyed and so on.
Complete thread:
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-05, 18:20
- Most AAA games don't spend 10 years in development hell. -
CyberKN,
2016-04-05, 18:27
- Most AAA games don't spend 10 years in development hell. - uberfoop, 2016-04-05, 20:54
- Too Big to Fail -
Kermit,
2016-04-05, 18:37
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-05, 19:26
- Too Big to Fail -
Revenant1988,
2016-04-05, 22:08
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-05, 22:24
- Your view of GAMING is insane. -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-05, 22:30
- No kidding -
ZackDark,
2016-04-05, 22:39
- Calculations... -
Mid7night,
2016-04-06, 02:29
- The "Plasma Car" is probably faster! *NM* - Ragashingo, 2016-04-06, 02:50
- Calculations... - ZackDark, 2016-04-06, 09:41
- Calculations... -
Mid7night,
2016-04-06, 02:29
- No kidding -
ZackDark,
2016-04-05, 22:39
- Too Big to Fail - Revenant1988, 2016-04-05, 22:43
- Too Big to Fail -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-05, 22:50
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-05, 22:52
- Too Big to Fail - cheapLEY, 2016-04-05, 22:56
- You obviously have never played Minecraft in depth - ZackDark, 2016-04-05, 23:03
- Game studies to the rescuuuuueeeeeeee - electricpirate, 2016-04-06, 01:16
- Why paint on black velvet if you can paint on canvas? - Pyromancy, 2016-04-06, 02:21
- Minecraft =/= CAD -
Mid7night,
2016-04-06, 02:22
- Minecraft =/= CAD -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 02:25
- Minecraft =/= CAD -
Mid7night,
2016-04-06, 02:35
- Minecraft =/= CAD -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 02:38
- You can't eat dinner off of LEGOs??? -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-06, 02:52
- Heh - Jeremy Clarkson took a bath in a LEGO bathtub. -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-06, 13:31
- Heh - Jeremy Clarkson took a bath in a LEGO bathtub. -
Funkmon,
2016-04-06, 14:13
- You're right. - Claude Errera, 2016-04-06, 16:00
- That toilet looks impossible to clean! -
Chappy,
2016-04-06, 18:02
- This is why you pee in the sink. - Funkmon, 2016-04-06, 19:57
- Heh - Jeremy Clarkson took a bath in a LEGO bathtub. -
Funkmon,
2016-04-06, 14:13
- Heh - Jeremy Clarkson took a bath in a LEGO bathtub. -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-06, 13:31
- Minecraft =/= CAD -
Funkmon,
2016-04-06, 03:31
- Minecraft =/= CAD -
Chappy,
2016-04-06, 14:07
- Minecraft =/= CAD -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-04-06, 14:09
- I'll watch the show again and report back. - Funkmon, 2016-04-06, 16:02
- Minecraft =/= CAD -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-04-06, 14:09
- Minecraft =/= CAD -
Chappy,
2016-04-06, 14:07
- You can't make automobiles just with woodworking - ZackDark, 2016-04-06, 09:56
- Minecraft =/= CAD - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-04-06, 14:49
- You can't eat dinner off of LEGOs??? -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-06, 02:52
- Minecraft =/= CAD -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 02:38
- BS - Blackt1g3r, 2016-04-06, 14:11
- Minecraft =/= CAD -
Schedonnardus,
2016-04-06, 18:19
- Minecraft =/= CAD -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 18:36
- Minecraft =/= CAD - Mid7night, 2016-04-06, 21:16
- Minecraft =/= CAD -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 18:36
- Minecraft =/= CAD -
Mid7night,
2016-04-06, 02:35
- Minecraft =/= CAD -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 02:25
- Too Big to Fail -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-05, 23:08
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-05, 23:15
- Yeah, Claude was right... cause of the HBO technicality... - Ragashingo, 2016-04-05, 23:53
- Too Big to Fail -
uberfoop,
2016-04-06, 01:37
- Too float to Fail - dogcow, 2016-04-06, 13:53
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-05, 23:15
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-05, 22:52
- Too Big to Fail -
slycrel,
2016-04-06, 12:47
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 13:44
- I.... have no words... =) - slycrel, 2016-04-06, 13:48
- Too Big to Fail -
dogcow,
2016-04-06, 14:01
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 14:09
- Too Big to Fail -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-04-06, 14:14
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 14:19
- Too Big to Fail -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-04-06, 14:28
- Too Big to Fail -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-06, 14:37
- Too Big to Fail - Cody Miller, 2016-04-06, 14:55
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 14:58
- Too Big to Fail -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-04-06, 15:03
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 15:28
- Too Big to Fail -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-04-06, 15:37
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 15:41
- Too Big to Fail - MacAddictXIV, 2016-04-06, 15:43
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 15:41
- Too Big to Fail -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-04-06, 15:37
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 15:28
- Too Big to Fail -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-04-06, 15:03
- Too Big to Fail -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-06, 14:37
- Too Big to Fail -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-04-06, 14:28
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 14:19
- Too Big to Fail -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-04-06, 14:14
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 14:09
- Too Big to Fail -
Korny,
2016-04-06, 14:10
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 14:17
- Too Big to Fail -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-04-06, 14:18
- Too Big to Fail - Korny, 2016-04-06, 14:25
- Too Big to Fail -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-06, 16:43
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 16:54
- Too Big to Fail -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-06, 17:08
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 17:10
- Too Big to Fail - uberfoop, 2016-04-06, 17:15
- Sounds like april fools 2017 has a theme. ;) -
slycrel,
2016-04-06, 17:20
- +1 - Claude Errera, 2016-04-06, 17:25
- Sounds like april fools 2017 has a theme. ;) -
Kermit,
2016-04-06, 17:32
- Avril -
ZackDark,
2016-04-06, 18:34
- Can't work. I'm the only one who likes her. :( - Funkmon, 2016-04-06, 19:57
- DYK that I also love Katie Perry and Kylie Minogue? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-06, 18:38
- DYK that I also love Katie Perry and Kylie Minogue? -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 18:39
- DYK that I also love Katie Perry and Kylie Minogue? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-06, 18:44
- DYK that I also love Katie Perry and Kylie Minogue? -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 19:54
- DYK that I also love Katie Perry and Kylie Minogue? -
Funkmon,
2016-04-06, 19:56
- DYK that I also love Katie Perry and Kylie Minogue? - Cody Miller, 2016-04-06, 19:59
- DYK that I also love Katie Perry and Kylie Minogue? -
Funkmon,
2016-04-06, 19:56
- DYK that I also love Katie Perry and Kylie Minogue? -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 19:54
- DYK that I also love Katie Perry and Kylie Minogue? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-06, 18:44
- No, no, no. -
Leviathan,
2016-04-06, 22:47
- Soooo, My Little Pony? - ZackDark, 2016-04-06, 23:16
- DYK that I also love Katie Perry and Kylie Minogue? -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 18:39
- Avril -
ZackDark,
2016-04-06, 18:34
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 17:10
- Good Cody, Bad Cody -
narcogen,
2016-04-07, 01:02
- Good Cody, Bad Cody -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-07, 01:23
- Good Cody, Bad Cody -
narcogen,
2016-04-07, 04:12
- Good Cody, Bad Cody - Cody Miller, 2016-04-07, 12:17
- Good Cody, Bad Cody -
narcogen,
2016-04-07, 04:12
- Good Cody, Bad Cody -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-07, 01:23
- Too Big to Fail -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-06, 17:08
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 16:54
- Too Big to Fail -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-04-06, 14:18
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 14:17
- Portal == Narbacular Drop 2. - dogcow, 2016-04-06, 13:47
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 13:44
- Your view of GAMING is insane. -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-05, 22:30
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-05, 22:24
- Uh, what? - Kahzgul, 2016-04-06, 22:29
- Too Big to Fail -
Revenant1988,
2016-04-05, 22:08
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-05, 19:26
- Played the demo, not impressed/VERY impressed -
ZackDark,
2016-04-05, 21:36
- Played the demo, not impressed/VERY impressed - Xenos, 2016-04-06, 13:00
- Even if it's true, I'm fine with it. - Funkmon, 2016-04-05, 22:07
- 550 million in the first month -
Durandal,
2016-04-05, 22:08
- 550 million in the first month -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-05, 22:39
- Yep. Sounds cool. - Ragashingo, 2016-04-05, 23:10
- 550 million in the first month - narcogen, 2016-04-06, 06:39
- Can we please stop using the $500 million figure -
Xenos,
2016-04-06, 13:05
- Can we please stop using the $500 million figure - Durandal, 2016-04-06, 14:22
- 550 million in the first month -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-05, 22:39
- Square probably needed to stop making FF games long ago -
Avateur,
2016-04-05, 23:10
- Square probably needed to stop making FF games long ago - Cody Miller, 2016-04-05, 23:19
- Square Enix gonna Square Enix (but it's not just them) -
someotherguy,
2016-04-06, 15:48
- Square Enix gonna Square Enix (but it's not just them) - Cody Miller, 2016-04-06, 15:55
- I disagree with a lot of your minor points and examples... -
Leviathan,
2016-04-06, 16:45
- I disagree with a lot of your minor points and examples... -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 16:51
- I disagree with a lot of your minor points and examples... -
Leviathan,
2016-04-06, 17:27
- I disagree with a lot of your minor points and examples... - Xenos, 2016-04-06, 17:31
- I disagree with a lot of your minor points and examples... -
Leviathan,
2016-04-06, 17:27
- I disagree with a lot of your minor points and examples... -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 16:51
- Most AAA games don't spend 10 years in development hell. -
CyberKN,
2016-04-05, 18:27