Too Big to Fail (Gaming)
Which, unfortunately, is just going to make this conversation devolve into a Bad Cody/Good Cody argument, instead of an interesting discussion about game design theory. :(
Even if Korny is 100% right (which I am not sure about, since I don't know what he is using as his example), I am allowed to grow and change my mind as I learn. His point is completely meaningless in the scheme of things and has no bearing on game design (which as you say is the interesting question here). This idea that I am firm and unwavering regarding truth isn't correct. I've changed my stance on many many things over the years, in part due to posts by people like Leviathan and yourself.
Heh. I actually appreciate that - it's nice to see you acknowledge when you've been convinced by other arguments. :) What I meant by 'absolute' wasn't so much 'I don't change my mind' but more what Kermit has tried to explain to you over the years - it's the WAY you say things, more than WHAT you say, that sets certain people off. I've been asked, many times, why you aren't permabanned from every b.org forum there is, and the answer, past "we don't really do that to ANYONE", is that you DO enjoy conversations, and you DO learn from people who argue with you... even though the way you present your argument makes it really sound like you don't. You've always been a content over presentation type of guy, and I actually appreciate that... but the downside is, you'll be judged harshly by folks who don't appreciate the (lack of) presentation and aren't really willing to listen to the content because of that.
::shrug:: This is nothing new. We've had this conversation many times. I'm simply clarifying because of your last two sentences above.
Complete thread:
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-05, 18:20
- Most AAA games don't spend 10 years in development hell. -
CyberKN,
2016-04-05, 18:27
- Most AAA games don't spend 10 years in development hell. - uberfoop, 2016-04-05, 20:54
- Too Big to Fail -
Kermit,
2016-04-05, 18:37
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-05, 19:26
- Too Big to Fail -
Revenant1988,
2016-04-05, 22:08
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-05, 22:24
- Your view of GAMING is insane. -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-05, 22:30
- No kidding -
ZackDark,
2016-04-05, 22:39
- Calculations... -
Mid7night,
2016-04-06, 02:29
- The "Plasma Car" is probably faster! *NM* - Ragashingo, 2016-04-06, 02:50
- Calculations... - ZackDark, 2016-04-06, 09:41
- Calculations... -
Mid7night,
2016-04-06, 02:29
- No kidding -
ZackDark,
2016-04-05, 22:39
- Too Big to Fail - Revenant1988, 2016-04-05, 22:43
- Too Big to Fail -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-05, 22:50
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-05, 22:52
- Too Big to Fail - cheapLEY, 2016-04-05, 22:56
- You obviously have never played Minecraft in depth - ZackDark, 2016-04-05, 23:03
- Game studies to the rescuuuuueeeeeeee - electricpirate, 2016-04-06, 01:16
- Why paint on black velvet if you can paint on canvas? - Pyromancy, 2016-04-06, 02:21
- Minecraft =/= CAD -
Mid7night,
2016-04-06, 02:22
- Minecraft =/= CAD -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 02:25
- Minecraft =/= CAD -
Mid7night,
2016-04-06, 02:35
- Minecraft =/= CAD -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 02:38
- You can't eat dinner off of LEGOs??? -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-06, 02:52
- Heh - Jeremy Clarkson took a bath in a LEGO bathtub. -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-06, 13:31
- Heh - Jeremy Clarkson took a bath in a LEGO bathtub. -
Funkmon,
2016-04-06, 14:13
- You're right. - Claude Errera, 2016-04-06, 16:00
- That toilet looks impossible to clean! -
Chappy,
2016-04-06, 18:02
- This is why you pee in the sink. - Funkmon, 2016-04-06, 19:57
- Heh - Jeremy Clarkson took a bath in a LEGO bathtub. -
Funkmon,
2016-04-06, 14:13
- Heh - Jeremy Clarkson took a bath in a LEGO bathtub. -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-06, 13:31
- Minecraft =/= CAD -
Funkmon,
2016-04-06, 03:31
- Minecraft =/= CAD -
Chappy,
2016-04-06, 14:07
- Minecraft =/= CAD -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-04-06, 14:09
- I'll watch the show again and report back. - Funkmon, 2016-04-06, 16:02
- Minecraft =/= CAD -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-04-06, 14:09
- Minecraft =/= CAD -
Chappy,
2016-04-06, 14:07
- You can't make automobiles just with woodworking - ZackDark, 2016-04-06, 09:56
- Minecraft =/= CAD - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-04-06, 14:49
- You can't eat dinner off of LEGOs??? -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-06, 02:52
- Minecraft =/= CAD -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 02:38
- BS - Blackt1g3r, 2016-04-06, 14:11
- Minecraft =/= CAD -
Schedonnardus,
2016-04-06, 18:19
- Minecraft =/= CAD -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 18:36
- Minecraft =/= CAD - Mid7night, 2016-04-06, 21:16
- Minecraft =/= CAD -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 18:36
- Minecraft =/= CAD -
Mid7night,
2016-04-06, 02:35
- Minecraft =/= CAD -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 02:25
- Too Big to Fail -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-05, 23:08
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-05, 23:15
- Yeah, Claude was right... cause of the HBO technicality... - Ragashingo, 2016-04-05, 23:53
- Too Big to Fail -
uberfoop,
2016-04-06, 01:37
- Too float to Fail - dogcow, 2016-04-06, 13:53
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-05, 23:15
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-05, 22:52
- Too Big to Fail -
slycrel,
2016-04-06, 12:47
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 13:44
- I.... have no words... =) - slycrel, 2016-04-06, 13:48
- Too Big to Fail -
dogcow,
2016-04-06, 14:01
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 14:09
- Too Big to Fail -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-04-06, 14:14
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 14:19
- Too Big to Fail -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-04-06, 14:28
- Too Big to Fail -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-06, 14:37
- Too Big to Fail - Cody Miller, 2016-04-06, 14:55
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 14:58
- Too Big to Fail -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-04-06, 15:03
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 15:28
- Too Big to Fail -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-04-06, 15:37
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 15:41
- Too Big to Fail - MacAddictXIV, 2016-04-06, 15:43
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 15:41
- Too Big to Fail -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-04-06, 15:37
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 15:28
- Too Big to Fail -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-04-06, 15:03
- Too Big to Fail -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-06, 14:37
- Too Big to Fail -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-04-06, 14:28
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 14:19
- Too Big to Fail -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-04-06, 14:14
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 14:09
- Too Big to Fail -
Korny,
2016-04-06, 14:10
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 14:17
- Too Big to Fail -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-04-06, 14:18
- Too Big to Fail - Korny, 2016-04-06, 14:25
- Too Big to Fail -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-06, 16:43
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 16:54
- Too Big to Fail -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-06, 17:08
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 17:10
- Too Big to Fail - uberfoop, 2016-04-06, 17:15
- Sounds like april fools 2017 has a theme. ;) -
slycrel,
2016-04-06, 17:20
- +1 - Claude Errera, 2016-04-06, 17:25
- Sounds like april fools 2017 has a theme. ;) -
Kermit,
2016-04-06, 17:32
- Avril -
ZackDark,
2016-04-06, 18:34
- Can't work. I'm the only one who likes her. :( - Funkmon, 2016-04-06, 19:57
- DYK that I also love Katie Perry and Kylie Minogue? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-06, 18:38
- DYK that I also love Katie Perry and Kylie Minogue? -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 18:39
- DYK that I also love Katie Perry and Kylie Minogue? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-06, 18:44
- DYK that I also love Katie Perry and Kylie Minogue? -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 19:54
- DYK that I also love Katie Perry and Kylie Minogue? -
Funkmon,
2016-04-06, 19:56
- DYK that I also love Katie Perry and Kylie Minogue? - Cody Miller, 2016-04-06, 19:59
- DYK that I also love Katie Perry and Kylie Minogue? -
Funkmon,
2016-04-06, 19:56
- DYK that I also love Katie Perry and Kylie Minogue? -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 19:54
- DYK that I also love Katie Perry and Kylie Minogue? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-06, 18:44
- No, no, no. -
Leviathan,
2016-04-06, 22:47
- Soooo, My Little Pony? - ZackDark, 2016-04-06, 23:16
- DYK that I also love Katie Perry and Kylie Minogue? -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 18:39
- Avril -
ZackDark,
2016-04-06, 18:34
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 17:10
- Good Cody, Bad Cody -
narcogen,
2016-04-07, 01:02
- Good Cody, Bad Cody -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-07, 01:23
- Good Cody, Bad Cody -
narcogen,
2016-04-07, 04:12
- Good Cody, Bad Cody - Cody Miller, 2016-04-07, 12:17
- Good Cody, Bad Cody -
narcogen,
2016-04-07, 04:12
- Good Cody, Bad Cody -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-07, 01:23
- Too Big to Fail -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-06, 17:08
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 16:54
- Too Big to Fail -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-04-06, 14:18
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 14:17
- Portal == Narbacular Drop 2. - dogcow, 2016-04-06, 13:47
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 13:44
- Your view of GAMING is insane. -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-05, 22:30
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-05, 22:24
- Uh, what? - Kahzgul, 2016-04-06, 22:29
- Too Big to Fail -
Revenant1988,
2016-04-05, 22:08
- Too Big to Fail -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-05, 19:26
- Played the demo, not impressed/VERY impressed -
ZackDark,
2016-04-05, 21:36
- Played the demo, not impressed/VERY impressed - Xenos, 2016-04-06, 13:00
- Even if it's true, I'm fine with it. - Funkmon, 2016-04-05, 22:07
- 550 million in the first month -
Durandal,
2016-04-05, 22:08
- 550 million in the first month -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-05, 22:39
- Yep. Sounds cool. - Ragashingo, 2016-04-05, 23:10
- 550 million in the first month - narcogen, 2016-04-06, 06:39
- Can we please stop using the $500 million figure -
Xenos,
2016-04-06, 13:05
- Can we please stop using the $500 million figure - Durandal, 2016-04-06, 14:22
- 550 million in the first month -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-05, 22:39
- Square probably needed to stop making FF games long ago -
Avateur,
2016-04-05, 23:10
- Square probably needed to stop making FF games long ago - Cody Miller, 2016-04-05, 23:19
- Square Enix gonna Square Enix (but it's not just them) -
someotherguy,
2016-04-06, 15:48
- Square Enix gonna Square Enix (but it's not just them) - Cody Miller, 2016-04-06, 15:55
- I disagree with a lot of your minor points and examples... -
Leviathan,
2016-04-06, 16:45
- I disagree with a lot of your minor points and examples... -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 16:51
- I disagree with a lot of your minor points and examples... -
Leviathan,
2016-04-06, 17:27
- I disagree with a lot of your minor points and examples... - Xenos, 2016-04-06, 17:31
- I disagree with a lot of your minor points and examples... -
Leviathan,
2016-04-06, 17:27
- I disagree with a lot of your minor points and examples... -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-06, 16:51
- Most AAA games don't spend 10 years in development hell. -
CyberKN,
2016-04-05, 18:27