Take. A. Joke. (Destiny)
In my time on the forums (which is admittedly a lot shorter than most of you) I've seen Cody say things to the effect of "I saw this problem coming, why didn't Bungie?" or "I/we found this problem after a couple hours of playing, why didn't Bungie notice it?".
Personally, statements like that do not come off to me as "I can make a better game than Bungie".
I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth (but here I go, lol), but to me Cody's complaints almost always boil down to an question of "how could a game developed over so much time, by such a huge and experienced team, suffer from so many problems which to us seem instantly apparent" (Cody, please jump in if I'm off the mark here).
Now personally, I sometimes agree, sometimes not. As I have pointed out in the past, the existence of a problem is not proof that Bungie isn't aware of it. Destiny is easily one of the most systemically complicated games I've ever played. For every problem we see, who knows how many we DON'T see because Bungie fixed them before they got out the door. I can't begin to imagine the logistical nightmare that developing and testing a game like Destiny must be.
Still, we're the hardcore fans, and we like to do some armchair game designing (as the hardcore fans are want to do). The community has made countless valid criticisms and suggestions in the hope of improving Destiny, and Bungie, much to their credit, is doing the best they can to listen to our concerns and slowly reshape the game with our suggestions in mind. Still, it is important that we as a community try to avoid jumping to conclusions while making suggestions or pointing out flaws. Again, just because there is a problem in Destiny doesn't mean Bungie isn't aware of it :)
Complete thread:
- Bungie GDC panel rundown -
electricpirate,
2015-03-07, 03:23
- They can never get their story straight with the loot cave. -
scarab,
2015-03-07, 06:50
- They can never get their story straight with the loot cave. -
someotherguy,
2015-03-08, 09:46
- in those days you weren't guaranteed drops end strikes - scarab, 2015-03-08, 21:51
- They can never get their story straight with the loot cave. -
someotherguy,
2015-03-08, 09:46
- Also: -
uberfoop,
2015-03-07, 07:10
- Also: - electricpirate, 2015-03-09, 01:23
- 6 Years in the Making - Blackt1g3r, 2015-03-09, 16:06
- Bungie GDC panel rundown -
EffortlessFury,
2015-03-07, 12:23
- Maybe they mean... -
Blackt1g3r,
2015-03-07, 12:25
- That's what I was thinking -
Dagoonite,
2015-03-07, 13:03
- It dropped purples and they were pretty rare in those days -
scarab,
2015-03-07, 13:44
- Maybe it meant actual purples. -
Funkmon,
2015-03-08, 20:32
- yes let's just grasp at straws and make stuff up -
scarab,
2015-03-08, 20:54
- yes let's just grasp at straws and make stuff up -
ZackDark,
2015-03-08, 21:21
- loot cave purples were no less real than any other purples -
scarab,
2015-03-08, 21:47
- loot cave purples were no less real than any other purples -
Robot Chickens,
2015-03-08, 22:39
- loot cave purples were no less real than any other purples - slycrel, 2015-03-09, 02:19
- loot cave purples were no less real than any other purples - Ragashingo, 2015-03-09, 02:31
- irrelevant: decode levels are global, cave dropped at higher -
scarab,
2015-03-09, 04:16
- irrelevant: decode levels are global, cave dropped at higher - Ragashingo, 2015-03-09, 04:28
- Dude - Robot Chickens, 2015-03-09, 14:31
- loot cave purples were no less real than any other purples -
Robot Chickens,
2015-03-08, 22:39
- loot cave purples were no less real than any other purples -
scarab,
2015-03-08, 21:47
- yes let's just grasp at straws and make stuff up -
ZackDark,
2015-03-08, 21:21
- yes let's just grasp at straws and make stuff up -
scarab,
2015-03-08, 20:54
- Maybe it meant actual purples. -
Funkmon,
2015-03-08, 20:32
- It dropped purples and they were pretty rare in those days -
scarab,
2015-03-07, 13:44
- It was a patrol spawn point -
scarab,
2015-03-07, 13:36
- It was a patrol spawn point -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-03-07, 13:45
- It was efficient: tons of blues, a fair number of purples - scarab, 2015-03-07, 14:02
- It was a patrol spawn point -
scarab,
2015-03-07, 14:18
- It was a patrol spawn point -
Claude Errera,
2015-03-07, 21:13
- do you agree with Bungie's statement that high enemies -
scarab,
2015-03-08, 04:54
- It always seemed to me that all enemies had equal drop rates -
Kahzgul,
2015-03-08, 09:11
- "Random drops can kiss my ass, and I avoid reliance on them" -
yakaman,
2015-03-09, 14:40
- +1 -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-03-09, 14:42
- Compared to what, though? -
CyberKN,
2015-03-09, 14:56
- Compared to what, though? -
Kahzgul,
2015-03-09, 19:54
- But Gjallarhorn! -
dogcow,
2015-03-09, 20:09
- false dichotomy - scarab, 2015-03-10, 04:53
- But Gjallarhorn! -
dogcow,
2015-03-09, 20:09
- Compared to what, though? -
Kahzgul,
2015-03-09, 19:54
- Loot cave was the most efficient form of patrol -
scarab,
2015-03-09, 15:25
- Loot cave was the most efficient form of patrol -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-03-09, 15:44
- so had we had high level characters and raids and roc strike -
scarab,
2015-03-09, 15:53
- Exclusion Zone Mission farming - ZackDark, 2015-03-09, 17:31
- so had we had high level characters and raids and roc strike - stabbim, 2015-03-09, 17:32
- so had we had high level characters and raids and roc strike -
scarab,
2015-03-09, 15:53
- Enjoying Destiny -
Kermit,
2015-03-09, 16:21
- Enjoying Destiny - Up North 65, 2015-03-09, 21:01
- Loot cave was the most efficient form of patrol -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-03-09, 15:44
- Compared to what, though? -
CyberKN,
2015-03-09, 14:56
- +1 -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-03-09, 14:42
- "Random drops can kiss my ass, and I avoid reliance on them" -
yakaman,
2015-03-09, 14:40
- do you agree with Bungie's statement that high enemies -
Claude Errera,
2015-03-08, 16:57
- do you agree with Bungie's statement that high enemies -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-09, 02:45
- Cut It Out. -
Ragashingo,
2015-03-09, 03:08
- Take. A. Joke. -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-09, 03:56
- Take. A. Joke. -
Ragashingo,
2015-03-09, 04:16
- Take. A. Joke. -
stabbim,
2015-03-09, 12:41
- What effort? -
someotherguy,
2015-03-09, 14:08
- What effort? - Ragashingo, 2015-03-09, 14:26
- Take. A. Joke. -
Ragashingo,
2015-03-09, 14:17
- Take. A. Joke. - stabbim, 2015-03-09, 17:41
- What effort? -
someotherguy,
2015-03-09, 14:08
- Take. A. Joke. -
stabbim,
2015-03-09, 12:41
- Take. A. Joke. -
Dagoonite,
2015-03-09, 04:28
- Take. A. Joke. -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-09, 04:55
- Take. A. Joke. - Kermit, 2015-03-09, 09:55
- Take. A. Joke. -
someotherguy,
2015-03-09, 14:16
- Take. A. Joke. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-03-09, 16:14
- Take. A. Joke. -
Ragashingo,
2015-03-09, 16:51
- Take. A. Joke. -
stabbim,
2015-03-09, 17:43
- That's not a joke. That's important information. - iconicbanana, 2015-03-09, 17:47
- Take. A. Joke. - Ragashingo, 2015-03-09, 17:51
- Take. A. Joke. -
stabbim,
2015-03-09, 17:43
- Take. A. Joke. -
Ragashingo,
2015-03-09, 16:51
- Take. A. Joke. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-03-09, 16:14
- Take. A. Joke. -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-09, 04:55
- Take. A. Joke. -
Ragashingo,
2015-03-09, 04:16
- Take. A. Joke. -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-09, 03:56
- Cut It Out. -
Ragashingo,
2015-03-09, 03:08
- do you agree with Bungie's statement that high enemies -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-09, 02:45
- It always seemed to me that all enemies had equal drop rates -
Kahzgul,
2015-03-08, 09:11
- do you agree with Bungie's statement that high enemies -
scarab,
2015-03-08, 04:54
- Keep in mind... - Kahzgul, 2015-03-09, 00:31
- It was a patrol spawn point -
Claude Errera,
2015-03-07, 21:13
- It was a patrol spawn point -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-03-07, 13:45
- That's what I was thinking -
Dagoonite,
2015-03-07, 13:03
- Other currency -
electricpirate,
2015-03-09, 00:43
- the other currencies were weekly capped, cave was not -
scarab,
2015-03-09, 04:25
- so it's a false dichotomy to say cave vs others - scarab, 2015-03-09, 04:28
- the other currencies were weekly capped, cave was not -
scarab,
2015-03-09, 04:25
- Bungie GDC panel rundown - Cody Miller, 2015-03-09, 05:12
- Maybe they mean... -
Blackt1g3r,
2015-03-07, 12:25
- One full GDC panel -
Xenos,
2015-03-08, 01:51
- One full GDC panel -
Kermit,
2015-03-08, 13:25
- One full GDC panel - Xenos, 2015-03-08, 17:21
- One full GDC panel -
Kermit,
2015-03-08, 13:25
- Months later: Still arguing about the frackin lootcave. -
Revenant1988,
2015-03-09, 11:07
- Bungie brought it up again and claimed low level enemies - scarab, 2015-03-09, 15:40
- They can never get their story straight with the loot cave. -
scarab,
2015-03-07, 06:50