Your numbers are off by quite a bit. (Destiny)
And here's the issue: To make primaries balanced, Bungie has steadily nerfed the best performing weapons to bring them more in line with the worst performing ones. This means that your average TTK with primary weapons is in the 2-3 second range, which is an eternity. I know some guns are theoretically a 1.33 TTK, but that's a fantasyland that only Luminosity and RealKrafty will actually be able to visit. For the rest of us mere mortals, TTK is higher.
1.333 second optimum ttk would be far and away the worst TTK in the game. The only thing that's remotely near that slow are Medium ROF pulses. DOP is .86 seconds, Mida is .9, Hawksaw is 1. 3 shot bursts.
Optimum TTKs are almost all sub second, average TTKs probably about 1 to 1.5 seconds. 1 Second is a lot of time to keep a sniper from getting a bead or to stop a rushing shotgunner.
Here's a full TTK breakdown: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L7FV9l4hXo2tHD3XlFUp854XvJIwTKFIPvASLduPPS4/edit#gid=0
I think to underscore how far off base the TTK discussion about weapons gets, Mid ROF autos are considered garbage, while fast ROF are considered part of the Meta. The difference in TTK? 4/100s of a second.
I will say though I entirely agree with this sentiment:
- First, ADS aiming needs to be fixed. The camera bounce should exactly match the bloom pattern of hipfire, and all bullets should always go where the reticle is pointed. There should be no hidden bloom effect that could possibly result in "phantom" bullets. All shot adjustment should be visibly communicated in the camera and reticle bounce while ADS.
Complete thread:
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Kahzgul,
2016-06-20, 18:28
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Cody Miller,
2016-06-20, 18:36
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-20, 19:07
- *AHEM* - CyberKN, 2016-06-20, 19:21
- Makes me think of a "less than juggler" modifier for PvP...
- dogcow, 2016-06-20, 19:25
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
unoudid,
2016-06-20, 18:50
- +1 to portions of this. -
dogcow,
2016-06-20, 19:37
- +1 to portions of this. - unoudid, 2016-06-20, 20:38
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Blackt1g3r,
2016-06-20, 19:41
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
unoudid,
2016-06-20, 20:45
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-21, 05:48
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
unoudid,
2016-06-20, 20:45
- Hey, that's my idea -
BeardFade,
2016-06-20, 20:23
- Hey, that's my idea* Sort of :) -
unoudid,
2016-06-20, 20:45
- Hey, that's my idea* Sort of :) -
Claude Errera,
2016-06-21, 14:28
- I'd love to see this type of gameplay - unoudid, 2016-06-21, 15:23
- Hey, that's my idea* Sort of :) -
Claude Errera,
2016-06-21, 14:28
- Hey, that's my idea* Sort of :) -
unoudid,
2016-06-20, 20:45
- +1 to portions of this. -
dogcow,
2016-06-20, 19:37
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-06-20, 19:17
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
electricpirate,
2016-06-21, 00:49
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-06-21, 00:52
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Kahzgul,
2016-06-21, 05:14
- If only every game were more like Mass Effect 3 :)
- CruelLEGACEY, 2016-06-27, 16:03
- If only every game were more like Mass Effect 3 :)
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
electricpirate,
2016-06-21, 00:49
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Harmanimus,
2016-06-20, 20:25
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Kahzgul,
2016-06-21, 05:29
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Claude Errera,
2016-06-21, 14:33
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Kahzgul,
2016-06-21, 16:58
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Claude Errera,
2016-06-21, 17:11
- Man, we should get together sometime -
Kahzgul,
2016-06-21, 23:41
- Man, we should get together sometime -
Claude Errera,
2016-06-22, 00:17
- Man, we should get together sometime -
Cody Miller,
2016-06-22, 00:34
- Jooooooiiiiiin Uuuuuuuuusssssss
- someotherguy, 2016-06-22, 09:12
- It's a Trap!!
- unoudid, 2016-06-22, 10:56
- It's a Trap!!
- Jooooooiiiiiin Uuuuuuuuusssssss
- Man, we should get together sometime -
Cody Miller,
2016-06-22, 00:34
- Man, we should get together sometime -
Claude Errera,
2016-06-22, 00:17
- Man, we should get together sometime -
Kahzgul,
2016-06-21, 23:41
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Cody Miller,
2016-06-21, 21:13
- Agreed.
- Ragashingo, 2016-06-21, 22:04
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Kahzgul,
2016-06-21, 23:47
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Cody Miller,
2016-06-21, 23:55
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-22, 16:11
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Cody Miller,
2016-06-21, 23:55
- Primary weapons vs Special weapons -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-06-22, 13:01
- +1 sniper zoom
- dogcow, 2016-06-22, 13:21
- Primary weapons vs Special weapons -
Claude Errera,
2016-06-22, 13:23
- 'My favored weapons are fine, your's are OP'
- ProbablyLast, 2016-06-22, 13:42
- Primary weapons vs Special weapons -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-06-22, 14:01
- Primary weapons vs Special weapons -
Claude Errera,
2016-06-22, 14:34
- I think we both know what this means... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-06-22, 14:48
- I'm still with Cap.
- Ragashingo, 2016-06-22, 14:49
- Dammit... -
Claude Errera,
2016-06-22, 15:03
- Dammit... -
Cody Miller,
2016-06-22, 15:07
- Where the arguments are made up and the fights don't matter -
Funkmon,
2016-06-22, 15:25
- Where the arguments are made up and the fights don't matter - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 15:29
- Where the arguments are made up and the fights don't matter -
Korny,
2016-06-22, 15:32
- Where the arguments are made up and the fights don't matter - Robot Chickens, 2016-06-22, 15:52
- Where the arguments are made up and the fights don't matter -
unoudid,
2016-06-22, 15:35
- Where the arguments are made up and the fights don't matter - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 15:38
- Where the arguments are made up and the fights don't matter - unoudid, 2016-06-22, 15:36
- "This isn't bright enough."
- ProbablyLast, 2016-06-22, 15:59
- They just blew their super thanks to my secret handshake
- unoudid, 2016-06-22, 16:05
- So many things. All of the things. - Kahzgul, 2016-06-22, 16:22
- Where the arguments are made up and the fights don't matter -
Funkmon,
2016-06-22, 15:25
- Dammit... -
Cody Miller,
2016-06-22, 15:07
- I think we both know what this means... - Robot Chickens, 2016-06-22, 15:43
- I'm still with Cap.
- I think we both know what this means... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-06-22, 14:48
- Primary weapons vs Special weapons -
Claude Errera,
2016-06-22, 14:34
- Primary weapons vs Special weapons -
Cody Miller,
2016-06-22, 14:47
- Primary weapons vs Special weapons -
Claude Errera,
2016-06-22, 15:06
- Primary weapons vs Special weapons -
Cody Miller,
2016-06-22, 15:08
- Primary weapons vs Special weapons -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-06-22, 15:09
- Primary weapons vs Special weapons -
Cody Miller,
2016-06-22, 15:13
- Primary weapons vs Special weapons -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-06-22, 15:16
- Primary weapons vs Special weapons -
Cody Miller,
2016-06-22, 15:20
- No Range Upgrade! - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 15:25
- Gameplay footage: -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-06-22, 15:21
- And that is why you never use "Shatter" for the Nova Bomb...
- Korny, 2016-06-22, 15:25
- And that is why you never use "Shatter" for the Nova Bomb...
- Primary weapons vs Special weapons -
Cody Miller,
2016-06-22, 15:20
- Primary weapons vs Special weapons -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-06-22, 15:16
- Primary weapons vs Special weapons -
Cody Miller,
2016-06-22, 15:13
- Primary weapons vs Special weapons -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-06-22, 15:09
- Primary weapons vs Special weapons -
Cody Miller,
2016-06-22, 15:08
- Primary weapons vs Special weapons -
unoudid,
2016-06-22, 15:23
- My top 3 - Blackt1g3r, 2016-06-22, 16:05
- Huh. Interesting. -
Kahzgul,
2016-06-22, 16:32
- Relic == Spark
- Blackt1g3r, 2016-06-22, 16:46
- Relic == Spark - Kahzgul, 2016-06-22, 16:47
- Relic == Spark
- Primary weapons vs Special weapons -
Claude Errera,
2016-06-22, 15:06
- 'My favored weapons are fine, your's are OP'
- Primary weapons vs Special weapons -
Cody Miller,
2016-06-22, 14:45
- Primary weapons vs Special weapons -
dogcow,
2016-06-22, 14:49
- Primary weapons vs Special weapons -
Ragashingo,
2016-06-22, 14:51
- Primary weapons vs Special weapons -
dogcow,
2016-06-22, 15:03
- Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 15:08
- Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Ragashingo, 2016-06-22, 15:20
- Primary weapons vs Special weapons -
dogcow,
2016-06-22, 15:03
- Primary weapons vs Special weapons -
Ragashingo,
2016-06-22, 14:51
- Primary weapons vs Special weapons -
dogcow,
2016-06-22, 14:49
- +1 sniper zoom
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Blackt1g3r, 2016-06-22, 13:31
- Agreed.
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Claude Errera,
2016-06-21, 17:11
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Kahzgul,
2016-06-21, 16:58
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Ragashingo,
2016-06-22, 06:46
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Kahzgul,
2016-06-22, 16:47
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Ragashingo,
2016-06-22, 18:33
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Kahzgul,
2016-06-22, 20:07
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Claude Errera,
2016-06-22, 21:21
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Kahzgul,
2016-06-23, 01:11
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Harmanimus,
2016-06-23, 18:26
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-23, 18:45
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Harmanimus,
2016-06-23, 18:26
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Kahzgul,
2016-06-23, 01:11
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Ragashingo,
2016-06-22, 22:09
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Kahzgul,
2016-06-23, 01:12
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Ragashingo,
2016-06-23, 03:38
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Kahzgul,
2016-06-23, 15:37
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Claude Errera,
2016-06-23, 15:46
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-23, 18:40
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Claude Errera,
2016-06-23, 15:46
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Kahzgul,
2016-06-23, 15:37
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Ragashingo,
2016-06-23, 03:38
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Kahzgul,
2016-06-23, 01:12
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Claude Errera,
2016-06-22, 21:21
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Kahzgul,
2016-06-22, 20:07
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Ragashingo,
2016-06-22, 18:33
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Kahzgul,
2016-06-22, 16:47
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Claude Errera,
2016-06-21, 14:33
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Kahzgul,
2016-06-21, 05:29
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
squidnh3,
2016-06-21, 01:04
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-21, 05:33
- Your numbers are off by quite a bit. -
electricpirate,
2016-06-21, 01:07
- Your numbers are off by quite a bit. - Kahzgul, 2016-06-21, 05:44
- Suggestions -
Durandal,
2016-06-21, 14:21
- Suggestions -
Kahzgul,
2016-06-21, 17:00
- Skill = TTK -
Durandal,
2016-06-22, 13:19
- Skill = TTK - Kahzgul, 2016-06-22, 16:35
- Skill = TTK -
Durandal,
2016-06-22, 13:19
- Suggestions -
Kahzgul,
2016-06-21, 17:00
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance -
Cody Miller,
2016-06-20, 18:36