Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance (Destiny)

by Kahzgul, Thursday, June 23, 2016, 18:45 (3168 days ago) @ Harmanimus

The problem here is that your argument is that you have out maneuvered them, but you are still using a primary in shotgun range. Which means no, you didn't. It is an option not to engage the target. Or to wait for hem to get a little farther away or to backpedal as you engage. Your example is an example of blundering into a combat situation you are not positioned for.

By design you are supposed to have time to react to being engaged, unless it is by overwhelming force. And you should lost to a special weapon when you are within their optimum effective range band.

I'm totally for making special weapons more skill based, but for a shotgun it's all movement and positioning. And if turning around is all it takes to have the upper hand...

No, no. I'm specifically trying to use an example where you're not in shotgun OHK range. The shotgunner is still able to turn and close the gap and kill you all before you get him with your hand cannon. Or the sniper is able to turn and headshot you even though you're really close to him. The point is that being outside "optimal" special weapon range is not always enough to actually prevent being killed by them, even when you have the element of surprise on your side.

Maybe making backpedaling while ADSing faster would be enough to solve the issue as far as shotguns go, but it wouldn't resolve snipers.

Anyway, it's not all the time that this happens, just a sizeable percentage (in my experience, around 25% of the time, which I find unacceptably high). I think that it's just illustrative of the power gap between primary and secondary weapons, and I think the "fix" that bungie made to limit secondary ammo is a poor fix which has created more problems than it solved while simultaneously making crucible less fun to play and less competitive once one team establishes secondary ammo control on a map.

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Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-20, 18:28
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Cody Miller, 2016-06-20, 18:36
  - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-20, 19:07
  - *AHEM* - CyberKN, 2016-06-20, 19:21
    - LOL - Cody Miller, 2016-06-20, 19:30
      - Ok - CyberKN, 2016-06-20, 19:32
        
        Ok - Cody Miller, 2016-06-20, 19:44
  - Makes me think of a "less than juggler" modifier for PvP... - dogcow, 2016-06-20, 19:25
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - unoudid, 2016-06-20, 18:50
  - +1 to portions of this. - dogcow, 2016-06-20, 19:37
    - +1 to portions of this. - unoudid, 2016-06-20, 20:38
  - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Blackt1g3r, 2016-06-20, 19:41
    - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - unoudid, 2016-06-20, 20:45
      - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-21, 05:48
  - Hey, that's my idea - BeardFade, 2016-06-20, 20:23
    - Hey, that's my idea* Sort of :) - unoudid, 2016-06-20, 20:45
      - Hey, that's my idea* Sort of :) - Claude Errera, 2016-06-21, 14:28
        
        I'd love to see this type of gameplay - unoudid, 2016-06-21, 15:23
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-06-20, 19:17
  - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - electricpirate, 2016-06-21, 00:49
    - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-06-21, 00:52
    - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-21, 05:14
      - If only every game were more like Mass Effect 3 :) - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-06-27, 16:03
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Harmanimus, 2016-06-20, 20:25
  - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-21, 05:29
    - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Claude Errera, 2016-06-21, 14:33
      - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-21, 16:58
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Claude Errera, 2016-06-21, 17:11
        
        Man, we should get together sometime - Kahzgul, 2016-06-21, 23:41
        
        Man, we should get together sometime - Claude Errera, 2016-06-22, 00:17
        
        Man, we should get together sometime - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 00:34
        
        Jooooooiiiiiin Uuuuuuuuusssssss - someotherguy, 2016-06-22, 09:12
        
        It's a Trap!! - unoudid, 2016-06-22, 10:56
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Cody Miller, 2016-06-21, 21:13
        
        Agreed. - Ragashingo, 2016-06-21, 22:04
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-21, 23:47
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Cody Miller, 2016-06-21, 23:55
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-22, 16:11
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-06-22, 13:01
        
        +1 sniper zoom - dogcow, 2016-06-22, 13:21
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Claude Errera, 2016-06-22, 13:23
        
        'My favored weapons are fine, your's are OP' - ProbablyLast, 2016-06-22, 13:42
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-06-22, 14:01
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Claude Errera, 2016-06-22, 14:34
        
        I think we both know what this means... - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-06-22, 14:48
        
        I'm still with Cap. - Ragashingo, 2016-06-22, 14:49
        
        Dammit... - Claude Errera, 2016-06-22, 15:03
        
        Dammit... - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 15:07
        
        Where the arguments are made up and the fights don't matter - Funkmon, 2016-06-22, 15:25
        
        Where the arguments are made up and the fights don't matter - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 15:29
        
        Where the arguments are made up and the fights don't matter - Korny, 2016-06-22, 15:32
        
        Where the arguments are made up and the fights don't matter - Robot Chickens, 2016-06-22, 15:52
        
        Where the arguments are made up and the fights don't matter - unoudid, 2016-06-22, 15:35
        
        Where the arguments are made up and the fights don't matter - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 15:38
        
        Where the arguments are made up and the fights don't matter - unoudid, 2016-06-22, 15:36
        
        "This isn't bright enough." - ProbablyLast, 2016-06-22, 15:59
        
        They just blew their super thanks to my secret handshake - unoudid, 2016-06-22, 16:05
        
        So many things. All of the things. - Kahzgul, 2016-06-22, 16:22
        
        I think we both know what this means... - Robot Chickens, 2016-06-22, 15:43
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 14:47
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Claude Errera, 2016-06-22, 15:06
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 15:08
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-06-22, 15:09
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 15:13
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-06-22, 15:16
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 15:20
        
        No Range Upgrade! - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 15:25
        
        Gameplay footage: - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-06-22, 15:21
        
        And that is why you never use "Shatter" for the Nova Bomb... - Korny, 2016-06-22, 15:25
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - unoudid, 2016-06-22, 15:23
        
        My top 3 - Blackt1g3r, 2016-06-22, 16:05
        
        Huh. Interesting. - Kahzgul, 2016-06-22, 16:32
        
        Relic == Spark - Blackt1g3r, 2016-06-22, 16:46
        
        Relic == Spark - Kahzgul, 2016-06-22, 16:47
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 14:45
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - dogcow, 2016-06-22, 14:49
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Ragashingo, 2016-06-22, 14:51
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - dogcow, 2016-06-22, 15:03
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 15:08
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Ragashingo, 2016-06-22, 15:20
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Blackt1g3r, 2016-06-22, 13:31
    - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Ragashingo, 2016-06-22, 06:46
      - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-22, 16:47
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Ragashingo, 2016-06-22, 18:33
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-22, 20:07
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Claude Errera, 2016-06-22, 21:21
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-23, 01:11
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Harmanimus, 2016-06-23, 18:26
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-23, 18:45
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Ragashingo, 2016-06-22, 22:09
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-23, 01:12
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Ragashingo, 2016-06-23, 03:38
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-23, 15:37
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Claude Errera, 2016-06-23, 15:46
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-23, 18:40
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - squidnh3, 2016-06-21, 01:04
  - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-21, 05:33
- Your numbers are off by quite a bit. - electricpirate, 2016-06-21, 01:07
  - Your numbers are off by quite a bit. - Kahzgul, 2016-06-21, 05:44
- Suggestions - Durandal, 2016-06-21, 14:21
  - Suggestions - Kahzgul, 2016-06-21, 17:00
    - Skill = TTK - Durandal, 2016-06-22, 13:19
      - Skill = TTK - Kahzgul, 2016-06-22, 16:35

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