Primary weapons vs Special weapons (Destiny)

by CruelLEGACEY , Toronto, Wednesday, June 22, 2016, 13:01 (3019 days ago) @ Cody Miller

Primary vs. secondary is not fair at all.

It's not supposed to be. Special weapons are supposed to dominate in special circumstances.

At close range AR vs Shotgun is supposed to go to shotgun.
At Midrange Hand canon vs Fusion rifle is supposed to go to fusion rifle.
At long range, Scout rifle vs sniper is supposed to go to sniper.

Assuming you know how to use the secondaries properly that is.

So I think Cody is completely right here. The problem, as I see it, has a little bit less to do with weapon balance and more to do with map layout & player counts. I've been saying for quite some time that most of Destiny's maps are too small for 6v6. With so many players all over the map, it's almost impossible to move without stepping into a sniper lane or running into a shotguner camping a doorway. That's one of the reasons I prefer Trials over any other PvP mode: special weapons are still extremely important, but with only 3 players on the enemy team it is easier to keep track of what special weapons they're using, which sight lines they are covering, etc.

All that said, I do still feel that sniper rifles are too useful at mid range. I think every single sniper scope in the game should zoom in a bit further than they currently do.

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Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-20, 18:28
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Cody Miller, 2016-06-20, 18:36
  - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-20, 19:07
  - *AHEM* - CyberKN, 2016-06-20, 19:21
    - LOL - Cody Miller, 2016-06-20, 19:30
      - Ok - CyberKN, 2016-06-20, 19:32
        
        Ok - Cody Miller, 2016-06-20, 19:44
  - Makes me think of a "less than juggler" modifier for PvP... - dogcow, 2016-06-20, 19:25
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - unoudid, 2016-06-20, 18:50
  - +1 to portions of this. - dogcow, 2016-06-20, 19:37
    - +1 to portions of this. - unoudid, 2016-06-20, 20:38
  - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Blackt1g3r, 2016-06-20, 19:41
    - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - unoudid, 2016-06-20, 20:45
      - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-21, 05:48
  - Hey, that's my idea - BeardFade, 2016-06-20, 20:23
    - Hey, that's my idea* Sort of :) - unoudid, 2016-06-20, 20:45
      - Hey, that's my idea* Sort of :) - Claude Errera, 2016-06-21, 14:28
        
        I'd love to see this type of gameplay - unoudid, 2016-06-21, 15:23
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-06-20, 19:17
  - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - electricpirate, 2016-06-21, 00:49
    - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-06-21, 00:52
    - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-21, 05:14
      - If only every game were more like Mass Effect 3 :) - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-06-27, 16:03
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Harmanimus, 2016-06-20, 20:25
  - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-21, 05:29
    - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Claude Errera, 2016-06-21, 14:33
      - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-21, 16:58
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Claude Errera, 2016-06-21, 17:11
        
        Man, we should get together sometime - Kahzgul, 2016-06-21, 23:41
        
        Man, we should get together sometime - Claude Errera, 2016-06-22, 00:17
        
        Man, we should get together sometime - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 00:34
        
        Jooooooiiiiiin Uuuuuuuuusssssss - someotherguy, 2016-06-22, 09:12
        
        It's a Trap!! - unoudid, 2016-06-22, 10:56
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Cody Miller, 2016-06-21, 21:13
        
        Agreed. - Ragashingo, 2016-06-21, 22:04
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-21, 23:47
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Cody Miller, 2016-06-21, 23:55
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-22, 16:11
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-06-22, 13:01
        
        +1 sniper zoom - dogcow, 2016-06-22, 13:21
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Claude Errera, 2016-06-22, 13:23
        
        'My favored weapons are fine, your's are OP' - ProbablyLast, 2016-06-22, 13:42
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-06-22, 14:01
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Claude Errera, 2016-06-22, 14:34
        
        I think we both know what this means... - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-06-22, 14:48
        
        I'm still with Cap. - Ragashingo, 2016-06-22, 14:49
        
        Dammit... - Claude Errera, 2016-06-22, 15:03
        
        Dammit... - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 15:07
        
        Where the arguments are made up and the fights don't matter - Funkmon, 2016-06-22, 15:25
        
        Where the arguments are made up and the fights don't matter - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 15:29
        
        Where the arguments are made up and the fights don't matter - Korny, 2016-06-22, 15:32
        
        Where the arguments are made up and the fights don't matter - Robot Chickens, 2016-06-22, 15:52
        
        Where the arguments are made up and the fights don't matter - unoudid, 2016-06-22, 15:35
        
        Where the arguments are made up and the fights don't matter - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 15:38
        
        Where the arguments are made up and the fights don't matter - unoudid, 2016-06-22, 15:36
        
        "This isn't bright enough." - ProbablyLast, 2016-06-22, 15:59
        
        They just blew their super thanks to my secret handshake - unoudid, 2016-06-22, 16:05
        
        So many things. All of the things. - Kahzgul, 2016-06-22, 16:22
        
        I think we both know what this means... - Robot Chickens, 2016-06-22, 15:43
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 14:47
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Claude Errera, 2016-06-22, 15:06
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 15:08
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-06-22, 15:09
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 15:13
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-06-22, 15:16
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 15:20
        
        No Range Upgrade! - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 15:25
        
        Gameplay footage: - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-06-22, 15:21
        
        And that is why you never use "Shatter" for the Nova Bomb... - Korny, 2016-06-22, 15:25
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - unoudid, 2016-06-22, 15:23
        
        My top 3 - Blackt1g3r, 2016-06-22, 16:05
        
        Huh. Interesting. - Kahzgul, 2016-06-22, 16:32
        
        Relic == Spark - Blackt1g3r, 2016-06-22, 16:46
        
        Relic == Spark - Kahzgul, 2016-06-22, 16:47
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 14:45
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - dogcow, 2016-06-22, 14:49
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Ragashingo, 2016-06-22, 14:51
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - dogcow, 2016-06-22, 15:03
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 15:08
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Ragashingo, 2016-06-22, 15:20
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Blackt1g3r, 2016-06-22, 13:31
    - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Ragashingo, 2016-06-22, 06:46
      - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-22, 16:47
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Ragashingo, 2016-06-22, 18:33
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-22, 20:07
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Claude Errera, 2016-06-22, 21:21
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-23, 01:11
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Harmanimus, 2016-06-23, 18:26
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-23, 18:45
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Ragashingo, 2016-06-22, 22:09
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-23, 01:12
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Ragashingo, 2016-06-23, 03:38
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-23, 15:37
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Claude Errera, 2016-06-23, 15:46
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-23, 18:40
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - squidnh3, 2016-06-21, 01:04
  - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-21, 05:33
- Your numbers are off by quite a bit. - electricpirate, 2016-06-21, 01:07
  - Your numbers are off by quite a bit. - Kahzgul, 2016-06-21, 05:44
- Suggestions - Durandal, 2016-06-21, 14:21
  - Suggestions - Kahzgul, 2016-06-21, 17:00
    - Skill = TTK - Durandal, 2016-06-22, 13:19
      - Skill = TTK - Kahzgul, 2016-06-22, 16:35

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