Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance (Destiny)

by Kahzgul, Tuesday, June 21, 2016, 23:47 (2926 days ago) @ Cody Miller

Primary vs. secondary is not fair at all.

It's not supposed to be. Special weapons are supposed to dominate in special circumstances.

At close range AR vs Shotgun is supposed to go to shotgun.
At Midrange Hand canon vs Fusion rifle is supposed to go to fusion rifle.
At long range, Scout rifle vs sniper is supposed to go to sniper.

Assuming you know how to use the secondaries properly that is.

You just described all circumstances.

Which would be fine if the game gave you enough ammo to fight back with a secondary, but map control is attainable in the first 1:30 of the game, preventing the other team from ever getting special ammo and therefore giving a major arms race advantage to the team that controls the ammo spawns. Improving primary weapons will mitigate this so games are less lopsided early on and it's possible to mount a comeback even when you're starved for special ammo.

The issue is not that special weapons are better. It's that they are dramatically better and it is nearly impossible for a team without special ammo to mount a comeback against a team with special ammo. The gulf is huge. Year 1 had better special vs. primary balance than year 2, while year 2 has better primary vs. primary and special vs. special balance. There is an even better weapon balance model which is attainable.

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Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-20, 18:28
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Cody Miller, 2016-06-20, 18:36
  - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-20, 19:07
  - *AHEM* - CyberKN, 2016-06-20, 19:21
    - LOL - Cody Miller, 2016-06-20, 19:30
      - Ok - CyberKN, 2016-06-20, 19:32
        
        Ok - Cody Miller, 2016-06-20, 19:44
  - Makes me think of a "less than juggler" modifier for PvP... - dogcow, 2016-06-20, 19:25
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - unoudid, 2016-06-20, 18:50
  - +1 to portions of this. - dogcow, 2016-06-20, 19:37
    - +1 to portions of this. - unoudid, 2016-06-20, 20:38
  - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Blackt1g3r, 2016-06-20, 19:41
    - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - unoudid, 2016-06-20, 20:45
      - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-21, 05:48
  - Hey, that's my idea - BeardFade, 2016-06-20, 20:23
    - Hey, that's my idea* Sort of :) - unoudid, 2016-06-20, 20:45
      - Hey, that's my idea* Sort of :) - Claude Errera, 2016-06-21, 14:28
        
        I'd love to see this type of gameplay - unoudid, 2016-06-21, 15:23
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-06-20, 19:17
  - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - electricpirate, 2016-06-21, 00:49
    - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-06-21, 00:52
    - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-21, 05:14
      - If only every game were more like Mass Effect 3 :) - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-06-27, 16:03
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Harmanimus, 2016-06-20, 20:25
  - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-21, 05:29
    - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Claude Errera, 2016-06-21, 14:33
      - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-21, 16:58
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Claude Errera, 2016-06-21, 17:11
        
        Man, we should get together sometime - Kahzgul, 2016-06-21, 23:41
        
        Man, we should get together sometime - Claude Errera, 2016-06-22, 00:17
        
        Man, we should get together sometime - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 00:34
        
        Jooooooiiiiiin Uuuuuuuuusssssss - someotherguy, 2016-06-22, 09:12
        
        It's a Trap!! - unoudid, 2016-06-22, 10:56
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Cody Miller, 2016-06-21, 21:13
        
        Agreed. - Ragashingo, 2016-06-21, 22:04
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-21, 23:47
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Cody Miller, 2016-06-21, 23:55
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-22, 16:11
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-06-22, 13:01
        
        +1 sniper zoom - dogcow, 2016-06-22, 13:21
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Claude Errera, 2016-06-22, 13:23
        
        'My favored weapons are fine, your's are OP' - ProbablyLast, 2016-06-22, 13:42
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-06-22, 14:01
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Claude Errera, 2016-06-22, 14:34
        
        I think we both know what this means... - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-06-22, 14:48
        
        I'm still with Cap. - Ragashingo, 2016-06-22, 14:49
        
        Dammit... - Claude Errera, 2016-06-22, 15:03
        
        Dammit... - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 15:07
        
        Where the arguments are made up and the fights don't matter - Funkmon, 2016-06-22, 15:25
        
        Where the arguments are made up and the fights don't matter - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 15:29
        
        Where the arguments are made up and the fights don't matter - Korny, 2016-06-22, 15:32
        
        Where the arguments are made up and the fights don't matter - Robot Chickens, 2016-06-22, 15:52
        
        Where the arguments are made up and the fights don't matter - unoudid, 2016-06-22, 15:35
        
        Where the arguments are made up and the fights don't matter - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 15:38
        
        Where the arguments are made up and the fights don't matter - unoudid, 2016-06-22, 15:36
        
        "This isn't bright enough." - ProbablyLast, 2016-06-22, 15:59
        
        They just blew their super thanks to my secret handshake - unoudid, 2016-06-22, 16:05
        
        So many things. All of the things. - Kahzgul, 2016-06-22, 16:22
        
        I think we both know what this means... - Robot Chickens, 2016-06-22, 15:43
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 14:47
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Claude Errera, 2016-06-22, 15:06
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 15:08
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-06-22, 15:09
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 15:13
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-06-22, 15:16
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 15:20
        
        No Range Upgrade! - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 15:25
        
        Gameplay footage: - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-06-22, 15:21
        
        And that is why you never use "Shatter" for the Nova Bomb... - Korny, 2016-06-22, 15:25
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - unoudid, 2016-06-22, 15:23
        
        My top 3 - Blackt1g3r, 2016-06-22, 16:05
        
        Huh. Interesting. - Kahzgul, 2016-06-22, 16:32
        
        Relic == Spark - Blackt1g3r, 2016-06-22, 16:46
        
        Relic == Spark - Kahzgul, 2016-06-22, 16:47
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 14:45
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - dogcow, 2016-06-22, 14:49
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Ragashingo, 2016-06-22, 14:51
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - dogcow, 2016-06-22, 15:03
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Cody Miller, 2016-06-22, 15:08
        
        Primary weapons vs Special weapons - Ragashingo, 2016-06-22, 15:20
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Blackt1g3r, 2016-06-22, 13:31
    - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Ragashingo, 2016-06-22, 06:46
      - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-22, 16:47
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Ragashingo, 2016-06-22, 18:33
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-22, 20:07
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Claude Errera, 2016-06-22, 21:21
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-23, 01:11
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Harmanimus, 2016-06-23, 18:26
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-23, 18:45
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Ragashingo, 2016-06-22, 22:09
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-23, 01:12
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Ragashingo, 2016-06-23, 03:38
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-23, 15:37
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Claude Errera, 2016-06-23, 15:46
        
        Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-23, 18:40
- Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - squidnh3, 2016-06-21, 01:04
  - Let's talk PvP Weapon Balance - Kahzgul, 2016-06-21, 05:33
- Your numbers are off by quite a bit. - electricpirate, 2016-06-21, 01:07
  - Your numbers are off by quite a bit. - Kahzgul, 2016-06-21, 05:44
- Suggestions - Durandal, 2016-06-21, 14:21
  - Suggestions - Kahzgul, 2016-06-21, 17:00
    - Skill = TTK - Durandal, 2016-06-22, 13:19
      - Skill = TTK - Kahzgul, 2016-06-22, 16:35

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