An interesting design philosphy (Destiny)
It is interesting in that:
Current level 20 gear and weapons will no longer be offered under the old model where you could get 1-2 a week just by playing dailies and the weekly.
Current gear will no longer be offered.
Now you need to perform bounties to level up faction rep in order to get access to gear.
I wonder if Bungie was concerned that without the carrot of gathering materials people wouldn't feel the need to visit the PVE portions of the game? They understood people didn't like the material farming, and so made them easier to get, but removed the materials to rep/marks and now are making bounties more important in order to keep people visiting PVE content.
With the new bounties offering materials, if they left in the mat/marks exchange then you could double dip off the bounties. If they left the current gear in, and the new legendary gear was added on top, then you have essentialy demoted the current gear to a "blue+" level.
I would have preferred them to offer an upgrade path for current legendary gear to the 20+ level. I spent lots of time and effort to get those IB weapons upgraded and randomized to the perks I wanted, and now a few weeks later they are going to be essentially worthless. Same for the only raid weapon that has ever dropped for me, the Vision and my one really good rep drop of a Zombie Apoc with the stability and ammo drop upgrades.
On the plus side it looks like they are addressing some of the loot complaints for the Crota raid. I hope they could retroactively add that to the Vault as well. I really don't want my fourth set of boots the next time I run it.
I did quit playing World of Tanks because the investment into each tank was enormous and the Dev's had an endless cycle of ruin/buff that picked new winners and losers every month. New content inevitably was superior in every way and only those who dropped hours or large amounts of cash ever really could respond.
Bungie hasn't gotten to this level yet, but we are veering that way. If we are going to design a game around players getting gear tailored to how they want to play, Bungie needs to let players get that gear and keep it. If Bungie really wants to go this route they should add IB style perk rerolls for weapons parts/armor materials on blue/legendary equipment to help soak up the those mats and allow players better access to the perks they want and offer an upgrade path for current legendary gear to the 20+ level.
Complete thread:
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
petetheduck,
2014-12-03, 09:42
- Ugh, this is disgusting -
Spec ops Grunt,
2014-12-03, 09:45
- Ugh, this is disgusting -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 09:46
- A likely possibility. -
Spec ops Grunt,
2014-12-03, 09:50
- A little too far, certainly -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 09:53
- A little too far, certainly -
petetheduck,
2014-12-03, 09:57
- A little too far, certainly - iconicbanana, 2014-12-03, 09:59
- A little too far, certainly -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 14:55
- A little too far, certainly -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 14:58
- A little too far, certainly -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 15:09
- That would have been better, no doubt. - iconicbanana, 2014-12-03, 15:10
- A little too far, certainly -
RC,
2014-12-03, 15:28
- A little too far, certainly - Cody Miller, 2014-12-03, 15:33
- A little too far, certainly -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 15:09
- A little too far, certainly -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 14:58
- It doesn't have to be this way! -
Revenant1988,
2014-12-03, 10:00
- No kidding -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 10:05
- Gen 10 here I come. -
rhubarb,
2014-12-03, 10:19
- Is RNG a thing in Titanfall? You might have your answer. -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 10:20
- Is RNG a thing in Titanfall? You might have your answer. -
rhubarb,
2014-12-03, 10:27
- It's the wave of the future dude. -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 10:29
- There's smart RNG and then there's Destiny. -
rhubarb,
2014-12-03, 10:38
- There's smart RNG and then there's Destiny. - iconicbanana, 2014-12-03, 10:44
- There's smart RNG and then there's Destiny. -
rhubarb,
2014-12-03, 10:38
- It's the wave of the future dude. -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 10:29
- Is RNG a thing in Titanfall? You might have your answer. -
rhubarb,
2014-12-03, 10:27
- Is RNG a thing in Titanfall? You might have your answer. -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 10:20
- Gen 10 here I come. -
rhubarb,
2014-12-03, 10:19
- ^ This! -
dogcow,
2014-12-03, 10:21
- They did something similar with the mythoclast. -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 10:25
- They did something similar with the mythoclast. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2014-12-03, 17:06
- and you might notice that the new guns are old guns with... -
scarab,
2014-12-03, 22:27
- and you might notice that the new guns are old guns with... - CruelLEGACEY, 2014-12-04, 08:05
- and you might notice that the new guns are old guns with... -
scarab,
2014-12-03, 22:27
- They did something similar with the mythoclast. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2014-12-03, 17:06
- They did something similar with the mythoclast. -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 10:25
- It doesn't have to be this way! -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 10:24
- It doesn't have to be this way! -
Monochron,
2014-12-03, 10:39
- It doesn't have to be this way! -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 10:54
- It doesn't have to be this way! - Spec ops Grunt, 2014-12-03, 10:56
- It doesn't have to be this way! -
Spec ops Grunt,
2014-12-03, 11:11
- It doesn't have to be this way! - iconicbanana, 2014-12-03, 11:15
- It doesn't have to be this way! - Monochron, 2014-12-03, 11:42
- It doesn't have to be this way! -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 10:54
- What if this became the way to progress with your character? - Revenant1988, 2014-12-03, 10:41
- It doesn't have to be this way! -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 10:42
- It doesn't have to be this way! -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 11:59
- It doesn't have to be this way! - Spec ops Grunt, 2014-12-03, 12:04
- It doesn't have to be this way! -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 12:06
- It doesn't have to be this way! -
scarab,
2014-12-03, 12:12
- It doesn't have to be this way! -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 12:17
- "your" time is valuable to them - scarab, 2014-12-03, 12:32
- It doesn't have to be this way! -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 12:17
- It doesn't have to be this way! -
scarab,
2014-12-03, 12:12
- It doesn't have to be this way! -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 11:59
- I haven't made a plan to stop playing -
scarab,
2014-12-03, 12:02
- I haven't made a plan to stop playing -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 12:11
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
scarab,
2014-12-03, 12:21
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 12:25
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 12:29
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
stabbim,
2014-12-03, 12:30
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon - iconicbanana, 2014-12-03, 12:31
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
stabbim,
2014-12-03, 12:30
- laugh away -
scarab,
2014-12-03, 12:35
- laugh away -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 12:43
- laugh away -
scarab,
2014-12-03, 12:44
- laugh away -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 12:48
- laugh away -
scarab,
2014-12-03, 12:49
- You guys are now arguing about tones/subtext. -
Leviathan,
2014-12-03, 13:00
- Indeed. :) - Ragashingo, 2014-12-03, 13:04
- You guys are now arguing about tones/subtext. -
Monochron,
2014-12-03, 13:07
- You guys are now arguing about tones/subtext. - Leviathan, 2014-12-03, 13:48
- You guys are now arguing about tones/subtext. -
Leviathan,
2014-12-03, 13:00
- Reach had the best weapons tho. - Spec ops Grunt, 2014-12-03, 12:50
- laugh away -
scarab,
2014-12-03, 12:49
- laugh away -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 12:48
- laugh away -
scarab,
2014-12-03, 12:44
- laugh away -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 12:43
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 12:29
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 15:05
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
General Vagueness,
2014-12-03, 17:28
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 18:30
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
Leviathan,
2014-12-03, 18:43
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 18:51
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon - Leviathan, 2014-12-03, 18:58
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon - Ragashingo, 2014-12-03, 19:04
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon - stabbim, 2014-12-03, 23:03
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 18:51
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon - General Vagueness, 2014-12-03, 20:15
- double fusion bounty 3 times a day for ~3 days a week 4 ever - scarab, 2014-12-03, 22:31
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
Leviathan,
2014-12-03, 18:43
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 18:30
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
General Vagueness,
2014-12-03, 17:28
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 12:25
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
scarab,
2014-12-03, 12:21
- I haven't made a plan to stop playing -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 12:11
- It doesn't have to be this way! -
General Vagueness,
2014-12-03, 13:35
- The gunsmith should do this, not Xur - Spec ops Grunt, 2014-12-03, 13:45
- It doesn't have to be this way! - Cody Miller, 2014-12-03, 14:39
- It doesn't have to be this way! -
Monochron,
2014-12-03, 10:39
- No kidding -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 10:05
- A little too far, certainly -
petetheduck,
2014-12-03, 09:57
- A little too far, certainly -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 09:53
- A likely possibility. -
Spec ops Grunt,
2014-12-03, 09:50
- Ugh, this is disgusting - Cody Miller, 2014-12-03, 12:41
- That's not even the worst part -
Kahzgul,
2014-12-03, 17:02
- That's not even the worst part -
General Vagueness,
2014-12-03, 19:15
- The thinking is that they want your time, a LOT of your time -
scarab,
2014-12-03, 22:38
- The thinking is that they want your time, a LOT of your time -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-04, 01:55
- The thinking is that they want your time, a LOT of your time -
scarab,
2014-12-04, 04:32
- The thinking is that they want your time, a LOT of your time -
Leviathan,
2014-12-04, 08:50
- The thinking is that they want your time, a LOT of your time - Cody Miller, 2014-12-04, 09:29
- The thinking is that they want your time, a LOT of your time - scarab, 2014-12-04, 10:23
- The thinking is that they want your time, a LOT of your time -
Leviathan,
2014-12-04, 08:50
- The thinking is that they want your time, a LOT of your time -
scarab,
2014-12-04, 04:32
- The thinking is that they want your time, a LOT of your time -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-04, 01:55
- The thinking is that they want your time, a LOT of your time -
scarab,
2014-12-03, 22:38
- That's not even the worst part -
General Vagueness,
2014-12-03, 19:15
- Ugh, this is disgusting -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 09:46
- Good grief.... -
Mid7night,
2014-12-03, 10:21
- ^ This too! - dogcow, 2014-12-03, 10:25
- Good grief.... - Cody Miller, 2014-12-03, 12:44
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
LostSpartan,
2014-12-03, 11:04
- If at first you grind, grind again. - iconicbanana, 2014-12-03, 11:18
- BUTTHURT UPDATE -
petetheduck,
2014-12-03, 11:19
- I'm guessing today was not a good morning for DeeJ - iconicbanana, 2014-12-03, 11:21
- Say Hallelujah! - dogcow, 2014-12-03, 11:24
- Might be too late. - rhubarb, 2014-12-03, 11:27
- BUTTHURT UPDATE - stabbim, 2014-12-03, 11:27
- Why not have Bungie proof read before publishing? - Hoovaloov, 2014-12-03, 11:39
- "Game Informer got it straight." -- DeeJ_BNG -
dogcow,
2014-12-03, 11:40
- DeeJ_BNG is king troll today - iconicbanana, 2014-12-03, 11:45
- "Game Informer got it straight." -- DeeJ_BNG -
stabbim,
2014-12-03, 11:48
- "Game Informer got it straight." -- DeeJ_BNG -
Schedonnardus,
2014-12-03, 11:55
- Looks like our gut reaction was right - Spec ops Grunt, 2014-12-03, 11:59
- "Game Informer got it straight." -- DeeJ_BNG - stabbim, 2014-12-03, 12:25
- "Game Informer got it straight." -- DeeJ_BNG - nash, 2014-12-03, 12:20
- "Game Informer got it straight." -- DeeJ_BNG -
Schedonnardus,
2014-12-03, 11:55
- "Player reaction to some of the information is what's wrong" -
Spec ops Grunt,
2014-12-03, 12:01
- "Player reaction to some of the information is what's wrong" - iconicbanana, 2014-12-03, 12:03
- You guyz just aren't reacting right - scarab, 2014-12-03, 12:04
- "Player reaction to some of the information is what's wrong" -
DeeJ,
2014-12-03, 12:43
- "Player reaction to some of the information is what's wrong" - Spec ops Grunt, 2014-12-03, 12:47
- Weekly update clarification then? - Cody Miller, 2014-12-03, 12:54
- Thanks Deej -
Miguel Chavez,
2014-12-03, 14:06
- Thanks Deej -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 14:23
- Thanks Deej -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 15:38
- Thanks Deej - Cody Miller, 2014-12-03, 16:03
- Thanks Deej -
Miguel Chavez,
2014-12-03, 18:31
- Thanks Deej -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 18:38
- Thanks Deej - Leviathan, 2014-12-03, 18:50
- Thanks Deej - Miguel Chavez, 2014-12-03, 21:29
- Thanks Deej -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 18:38
- Thanks Deej -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 15:38
- Thanks Deej -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 14:23
- "Player reaction to some of the information is what's wrong" - Chappy, 2014-12-03, 16:08
- "Player reaction to some of the information is what's wrong" - Kermit, 2014-12-03, 13:27
- Thank you for your patience, please resume butthurt - petetheduck, 2014-12-03, 12:08
- "Game Informer got it straight." -- DeeJ_BNG -
unoudid,
2014-12-03, 12:08
- "part of the vision" :^) -
Spec ops Grunt,
2014-12-03, 12:10
- Echo Chamber -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 12:57
- Echo Chamber -
Leviathan,
2014-12-03, 13:52
- I don't think it's quite that bleak -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 13:57
- I don't think it's quite that bleak -
dogcow,
2014-12-03, 14:29
- I don't think it's quite that bleak -
Leviathan,
2014-12-03, 16:24
- I don't think it's quite that bleak -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 16:28
- I don't think it's quite that bleak - Leviathan, 2014-12-03, 17:11
- I don't think it's quite that bleak -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 16:28
- I don't think it's quite that bleak -
Leviathan,
2014-12-03, 16:24
- I don't think it's quite that bleak -
dogcow,
2014-12-03, 14:29
- I don't think it's quite that bleak -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 13:57
- Echo Chamber - Cody Miller, 2014-12-03, 14:31
- Echo Chamber -
General Vagueness,
2014-12-03, 14:32
- Echo Chamber -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 14:36
- I doubt DeeJ read it so it's all kind of moot anyway. - iconicbanana, 2014-12-03, 14:41
- Echo Chamber -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 14:36
- Echo Chamber -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 15:33
- Echo Chamber -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 19:01
- Echo Chamber -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 19:29
- Echo Chamber - Cody Miller, 2014-12-03, 19:48
- Echo Chamber -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 19:29
- Echo Chamber -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 19:01
- Echo Chamber -
Leviathan,
2014-12-03, 13:52
- Echo Chamber -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 12:57
- "Game Informer got it straight." -- DeeJ_BNG - Monochron, 2014-12-03, 13:15
- "part of the vision" :^) -
Spec ops Grunt,
2014-12-03, 12:10
- He's got a point. - Ragashingo, 2014-12-03, 12:34
- "Game Informer got it straight." -- DeeJ_BNG - Monochron, 2014-12-03, 13:13
- "Gather the tomatoes." -- DeeJ - Leviathan, 2014-12-03, 19:28
- How long does it take to upgrade an exotic? -
Beorn,
2014-12-03, 12:18
- That's something we don't know -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 12:19
- That's something we don't know -
Spec ops Grunt,
2014-12-03, 12:22
- Well, they used to - iconicbanana, 2014-12-03, 12:24
- That's something we don't know -
Spec ops Grunt,
2014-12-03, 12:22
- How long does it take to upgrade an exotic? - Schedonnardus, 2014-12-03, 12:32
- How long does it take to upgrade an exotic? - General Vagueness, 2014-12-03, 13:59
- How long does it take to upgrade an exotic? - Xenos, 2014-12-03, 15:41
- That's something we don't know -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 12:19
- On a positive note -
stabbim,
2014-12-03, 12:32
- On a positive note -
dogcow,
2014-12-03, 12:36
- On a positive note - Ragashingo, 2014-12-03, 12:44
- On a positive note - Vortech, 2014-12-04, 01:21
- On a positive note -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 12:46
- On a positive note -
CyberKN,
2014-12-03, 12:58
- An interesting design philosphy - Durandal, 2014-12-03, 13:41
- On a positive note -
CyberKN,
2014-12-03, 12:58
- On a positive note -
dogcow,
2014-12-03, 12:36
- Hilariously appropriate timing....*GIF -
Mid7night,
2014-12-03, 13:39
- A picture is worth a thousand words - scarab, 2014-12-03, 13:42
- Hilariously appropriate timing....*GIF -
Durandal,
2014-12-03, 13:42
- Hilariously appropriate timing....*GIF -
uberfoop,
2014-12-03, 13:47
- Hilariously appropriate timing....*GIF -
Schedonnardus,
2014-12-03, 13:51
- So the lead and eraser are... -
Mid7night,
2014-12-03, 13:54
- The lead is your patience. - Cody Miller, 2014-12-03, 14:01
- So the lead and eraser are... - dogcow, 2014-12-03, 14:33
- Hilariously appropriate timing....*GIF - uberfoop, 2014-12-03, 14:33
- So the lead and eraser are... -
Mid7night,
2014-12-03, 13:54
- Hilariously appropriate timing....*GIF -
Schedonnardus,
2014-12-03, 13:51
- Hilariously appropriate timing....*GIF -
uberfoop,
2014-12-03, 13:47
- If at first you grind, grind again. - Schedonnardus, 2014-12-03, 13:45
- Best comment on Bungie.net -
petetheduck,
2014-12-03, 13:50
- Thank you for finding it so I did not need to go there - iconicbanana, 2014-12-03, 13:52
- And Again in february -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 14:20
- So now the real question is . . . - Monochron, 2014-12-03, 15:36
- And Again in february -
CruelLEGACEY,
2014-12-03, 17:08
- And Again in february -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 17:14
- And Again in february - CruelLEGACEY, 2014-12-03, 18:04
- And Again in february - General Vagueness, 2014-12-03, 17:52
- And Again in february -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 17:14
- please stop letting Jason Jones make design decisions *nm* - HavokBlue, 2014-12-03, 14:24
- Sunsingers Rejoice! -
unoudid,
2014-12-03, 15:07
- You forgot the Voidfang Vestments -
Beorn,
2014-12-03, 16:06
- we are starting over right? - unoudid, 2014-12-03, 18:11
- You forgot the Voidfang Vestments -
Beorn,
2014-12-03, 16:06
- If at first you grind, grind again. - RC, 2014-12-03, 15:13
- One thing to note... - Xenos, 2014-12-03, 15:50
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2014-12-03, 15:56
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
Xenos,
2014-12-03, 16:21
- If at first you grind, grind again. - Leviathan, 2014-12-03, 16:39
- If at first you grind, grind again. - Vortech, 2014-12-04, 01:34
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
Xenos,
2014-12-03, 16:21
- If at first you grind, grind again. - Avateur, 2014-12-03, 16:51
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
Kahzgul,
2014-12-03, 17:26
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
Leviathan,
2014-12-03, 19:06
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 19:24
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
Leviathan,
2014-12-03, 19:46
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 19:50
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
Leviathan,
2014-12-03, 20:27
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-05, 13:01
- If at first you grind, grind again. - Kermit, 2014-12-05, 13:21
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-05, 13:01
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
Leviathan,
2014-12-03, 20:27
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 19:50
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
Leviathan,
2014-12-03, 19:46
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 19:24
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
Leviathan,
2014-12-03, 19:06
- I'm still having fun... - Mid7night, 2014-12-03, 21:04
- Ugh, this is disgusting -
Spec ops Grunt,
2014-12-03, 09:45