The thinking is that they want your time, a LOT of your time (Destiny)
They are all the same problem: how do I get resource x?
X is:
- ascendant blah
- spin metal
- glimmer
- whatever
Each of those things is a resource or you could call them currencies. Point is that there are so many to hide the fact that all you are doing is exchanging time played for a resource/currency.
It looks like you are trying to achieve lots of things but the underlying truth is that you buy resource with time.
And yes, to answer your question, you aren't doing it because solving the problem is interesting, you are doing it for two reasons:
- the resource let's you do things that do interest you (the fun)
- our brains are wired to engage in grind - once we start it is hard to disengage
Not all scientists agree on how this works, the literature is not settled but...
Dopamine used to be seen as a reward hormone. The idea was that you get a hit once you achive the goal as a rewarded for doing the grind.
But when people looked at when the dopamine was being released it wasn't after the goal was achieved, it was during the grind.
The old idea was that an organism would work out that the grind would achieve a good end and the organism would grind in anticipation of reward.
The thing is that not all organisms are bright. You would need all organisms to be bright enough to make the connection and plan ahead before a dopamine reward mechanism could evolve. If dopamine worked as a reward hormone.
Dopamine and dopamine like transmitters go way back in evolutionary terms and pretty much every organism needs to do some form of grind to get enough resources.
A mechanism that makes the grind its own reward is more likely to arise than a mechanism that depends on foresight before it could work.
So we are probably hardwired to just get on with shit without too much complaint. It is our higher cognitive faculties that lead us to question why we are doing this.
But once we have bought into the need for the grind, if even for a while, then we get into the habit and carry on even though it isn't, making us happy. We are trapped in our biology. And people who make investment systems know this.
In addition, once we achieve a certain level of success we do not want to slip back. We are invested. So if changes are made to return us to a less successful state then we will redouble our efforts to get back to our former level. This works as long as we can feel that it will only take a bit more work, if it's just a bit more of what we have already been doing.
Our intellects are an enemy to the investment system, if we start saying to ourselves, "wait a minute...".
Although we understand all this we are still slaves to our biology and the main fun of Destiny is in the weapons. We want to try them all out. An exotic doesn't deliver its signature ability until quite late in its tech tree. That is no accident; by the time you unlock it you have become invested in the weapon.
There is nothing haphazard or accidental about the decisions that bungie has made. They didn't hire investment systems experts for nothing.
Complete thread:
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
petetheduck,
2014-12-03, 09:42
- Ugh, this is disgusting -
Spec ops Grunt,
2014-12-03, 09:45
- Ugh, this is disgusting -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 09:46
- A likely possibility. -
Spec ops Grunt,
2014-12-03, 09:50
- A little too far, certainly -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 09:53
- A little too far, certainly -
petetheduck,
2014-12-03, 09:57
- A little too far, certainly - iconicbanana, 2014-12-03, 09:59
- A little too far, certainly -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 14:55
- A little too far, certainly -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 14:58
- A little too far, certainly -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 15:09
- That would have been better, no doubt. - iconicbanana, 2014-12-03, 15:10
- A little too far, certainly -
RC,
2014-12-03, 15:28
- A little too far, certainly - Cody Miller, 2014-12-03, 15:33
- A little too far, certainly -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 15:09
- A little too far, certainly -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 14:58
- It doesn't have to be this way! -
Revenant1988,
2014-12-03, 10:00
- No kidding -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 10:05
- Gen 10 here I come. -
rhubarb,
2014-12-03, 10:19
- Is RNG a thing in Titanfall? You might have your answer. -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 10:20
- Is RNG a thing in Titanfall? You might have your answer. -
rhubarb,
2014-12-03, 10:27
- It's the wave of the future dude. -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 10:29
- There's smart RNG and then there's Destiny. -
rhubarb,
2014-12-03, 10:38
- There's smart RNG and then there's Destiny. - iconicbanana, 2014-12-03, 10:44
- There's smart RNG and then there's Destiny. -
rhubarb,
2014-12-03, 10:38
- It's the wave of the future dude. -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 10:29
- Is RNG a thing in Titanfall? You might have your answer. -
rhubarb,
2014-12-03, 10:27
- Is RNG a thing in Titanfall? You might have your answer. -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 10:20
- Gen 10 here I come. -
rhubarb,
2014-12-03, 10:19
- ^ This! -
dogcow,
2014-12-03, 10:21
- They did something similar with the mythoclast. -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 10:25
- They did something similar with the mythoclast. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2014-12-03, 17:06
- and you might notice that the new guns are old guns with... -
scarab,
2014-12-03, 22:27
- and you might notice that the new guns are old guns with... - CruelLEGACEY, 2014-12-04, 08:05
- and you might notice that the new guns are old guns with... -
scarab,
2014-12-03, 22:27
- They did something similar with the mythoclast. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2014-12-03, 17:06
- They did something similar with the mythoclast. -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 10:25
- It doesn't have to be this way! -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 10:24
- It doesn't have to be this way! -
Monochron,
2014-12-03, 10:39
- It doesn't have to be this way! -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 10:54
- It doesn't have to be this way! - Spec ops Grunt, 2014-12-03, 10:56
- It doesn't have to be this way! -
Spec ops Grunt,
2014-12-03, 11:11
- It doesn't have to be this way! - iconicbanana, 2014-12-03, 11:15
- It doesn't have to be this way! - Monochron, 2014-12-03, 11:42
- It doesn't have to be this way! -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 10:54
- What if this became the way to progress with your character? - Revenant1988, 2014-12-03, 10:41
- It doesn't have to be this way! -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 10:42
- It doesn't have to be this way! -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 11:59
- It doesn't have to be this way! - Spec ops Grunt, 2014-12-03, 12:04
- It doesn't have to be this way! -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 12:06
- It doesn't have to be this way! -
scarab,
2014-12-03, 12:12
- It doesn't have to be this way! -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 12:17
- "your" time is valuable to them - scarab, 2014-12-03, 12:32
- It doesn't have to be this way! -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 12:17
- It doesn't have to be this way! -
scarab,
2014-12-03, 12:12
- It doesn't have to be this way! -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 11:59
- I haven't made a plan to stop playing -
scarab,
2014-12-03, 12:02
- I haven't made a plan to stop playing -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 12:11
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
scarab,
2014-12-03, 12:21
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 12:25
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 12:29
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
stabbim,
2014-12-03, 12:30
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon - iconicbanana, 2014-12-03, 12:31
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
stabbim,
2014-12-03, 12:30
- laugh away -
scarab,
2014-12-03, 12:35
- laugh away -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 12:43
- laugh away -
scarab,
2014-12-03, 12:44
- laugh away -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 12:48
- laugh away -
scarab,
2014-12-03, 12:49
- You guys are now arguing about tones/subtext. -
Leviathan,
2014-12-03, 13:00
- Indeed. :) - Ragashingo, 2014-12-03, 13:04
- You guys are now arguing about tones/subtext. -
Monochron,
2014-12-03, 13:07
- You guys are now arguing about tones/subtext. - Leviathan, 2014-12-03, 13:48
- You guys are now arguing about tones/subtext. -
Leviathan,
2014-12-03, 13:00
- Reach had the best weapons tho. - Spec ops Grunt, 2014-12-03, 12:50
- laugh away -
scarab,
2014-12-03, 12:49
- laugh away -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 12:48
- laugh away -
scarab,
2014-12-03, 12:44
- laugh away -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 12:43
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 12:29
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 15:05
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
General Vagueness,
2014-12-03, 17:28
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 18:30
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
Leviathan,
2014-12-03, 18:43
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 18:51
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon - Leviathan, 2014-12-03, 18:58
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon - Ragashingo, 2014-12-03, 19:04
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon - stabbim, 2014-12-03, 23:03
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 18:51
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon - General Vagueness, 2014-12-03, 20:15
- double fusion bounty 3 times a day for ~3 days a week 4 ever - scarab, 2014-12-03, 22:31
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
Leviathan,
2014-12-03, 18:43
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 18:30
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
General Vagueness,
2014-12-03, 17:28
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 12:25
- I have never given up on a Bungie game so soon -
scarab,
2014-12-03, 12:21
- I haven't made a plan to stop playing -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 12:11
- It doesn't have to be this way! -
General Vagueness,
2014-12-03, 13:35
- The gunsmith should do this, not Xur - Spec ops Grunt, 2014-12-03, 13:45
- It doesn't have to be this way! - Cody Miller, 2014-12-03, 14:39
- It doesn't have to be this way! -
Monochron,
2014-12-03, 10:39
- No kidding -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 10:05
- A little too far, certainly -
petetheduck,
2014-12-03, 09:57
- A little too far, certainly -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 09:53
- A likely possibility. -
Spec ops Grunt,
2014-12-03, 09:50
- Ugh, this is disgusting - Cody Miller, 2014-12-03, 12:41
- That's not even the worst part -
Kahzgul,
2014-12-03, 17:02
- That's not even the worst part -
General Vagueness,
2014-12-03, 19:15
- The thinking is that they want your time, a LOT of your time -
scarab,
2014-12-03, 22:38
- The thinking is that they want your time, a LOT of your time -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-04, 01:55
- The thinking is that they want your time, a LOT of your time -
scarab,
2014-12-04, 04:32
- The thinking is that they want your time, a LOT of your time -
Leviathan,
2014-12-04, 08:50
- The thinking is that they want your time, a LOT of your time - Cody Miller, 2014-12-04, 09:29
- The thinking is that they want your time, a LOT of your time - scarab, 2014-12-04, 10:23
- The thinking is that they want your time, a LOT of your time -
Leviathan,
2014-12-04, 08:50
- The thinking is that they want your time, a LOT of your time -
scarab,
2014-12-04, 04:32
- The thinking is that they want your time, a LOT of your time -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-04, 01:55
- The thinking is that they want your time, a LOT of your time -
scarab,
2014-12-03, 22:38
- That's not even the worst part -
General Vagueness,
2014-12-03, 19:15
- Ugh, this is disgusting -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 09:46
- Good grief.... -
Mid7night,
2014-12-03, 10:21
- ^ This too! - dogcow, 2014-12-03, 10:25
- Good grief.... - Cody Miller, 2014-12-03, 12:44
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
LostSpartan,
2014-12-03, 11:04
- If at first you grind, grind again. - iconicbanana, 2014-12-03, 11:18
- BUTTHURT UPDATE -
petetheduck,
2014-12-03, 11:19
- I'm guessing today was not a good morning for DeeJ - iconicbanana, 2014-12-03, 11:21
- Say Hallelujah! - dogcow, 2014-12-03, 11:24
- Might be too late. - rhubarb, 2014-12-03, 11:27
- BUTTHURT UPDATE - stabbim, 2014-12-03, 11:27
- Why not have Bungie proof read before publishing? - Hoovaloov, 2014-12-03, 11:39
- "Game Informer got it straight." -- DeeJ_BNG -
dogcow,
2014-12-03, 11:40
- DeeJ_BNG is king troll today - iconicbanana, 2014-12-03, 11:45
- "Game Informer got it straight." -- DeeJ_BNG -
stabbim,
2014-12-03, 11:48
- "Game Informer got it straight." -- DeeJ_BNG -
Schedonnardus,
2014-12-03, 11:55
- Looks like our gut reaction was right - Spec ops Grunt, 2014-12-03, 11:59
- "Game Informer got it straight." -- DeeJ_BNG - stabbim, 2014-12-03, 12:25
- "Game Informer got it straight." -- DeeJ_BNG - nash, 2014-12-03, 12:20
- "Game Informer got it straight." -- DeeJ_BNG -
Schedonnardus,
2014-12-03, 11:55
- "Player reaction to some of the information is what's wrong" -
Spec ops Grunt,
2014-12-03, 12:01
- "Player reaction to some of the information is what's wrong" - iconicbanana, 2014-12-03, 12:03
- You guyz just aren't reacting right - scarab, 2014-12-03, 12:04
- "Player reaction to some of the information is what's wrong" -
DeeJ,
2014-12-03, 12:43
- "Player reaction to some of the information is what's wrong" - Spec ops Grunt, 2014-12-03, 12:47
- Weekly update clarification then? - Cody Miller, 2014-12-03, 12:54
- Thanks Deej -
Miguel Chavez,
2014-12-03, 14:06
- Thanks Deej -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 14:23
- Thanks Deej -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 15:38
- Thanks Deej - Cody Miller, 2014-12-03, 16:03
- Thanks Deej -
Miguel Chavez,
2014-12-03, 18:31
- Thanks Deej -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 18:38
- Thanks Deej - Leviathan, 2014-12-03, 18:50
- Thanks Deej - Miguel Chavez, 2014-12-03, 21:29
- Thanks Deej -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 18:38
- Thanks Deej -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 15:38
- Thanks Deej -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 14:23
- "Player reaction to some of the information is what's wrong" - Chappy, 2014-12-03, 16:08
- "Player reaction to some of the information is what's wrong" - Kermit, 2014-12-03, 13:27
- Thank you for your patience, please resume butthurt - petetheduck, 2014-12-03, 12:08
- "Game Informer got it straight." -- DeeJ_BNG -
unoudid,
2014-12-03, 12:08
- "part of the vision" :^) -
Spec ops Grunt,
2014-12-03, 12:10
- Echo Chamber -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 12:57
- Echo Chamber -
Leviathan,
2014-12-03, 13:52
- I don't think it's quite that bleak -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 13:57
- I don't think it's quite that bleak -
dogcow,
2014-12-03, 14:29
- I don't think it's quite that bleak -
Leviathan,
2014-12-03, 16:24
- I don't think it's quite that bleak -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 16:28
- I don't think it's quite that bleak - Leviathan, 2014-12-03, 17:11
- I don't think it's quite that bleak -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 16:28
- I don't think it's quite that bleak -
Leviathan,
2014-12-03, 16:24
- I don't think it's quite that bleak -
dogcow,
2014-12-03, 14:29
- I don't think it's quite that bleak -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 13:57
- Echo Chamber - Cody Miller, 2014-12-03, 14:31
- Echo Chamber -
General Vagueness,
2014-12-03, 14:32
- Echo Chamber -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 14:36
- I doubt DeeJ read it so it's all kind of moot anyway. - iconicbanana, 2014-12-03, 14:41
- Echo Chamber -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 14:36
- Echo Chamber -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 15:33
- Echo Chamber -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 19:01
- Echo Chamber -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 19:29
- Echo Chamber - Cody Miller, 2014-12-03, 19:48
- Echo Chamber -
Ragashingo,
2014-12-03, 19:29
- Echo Chamber -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 19:01
- Echo Chamber -
Leviathan,
2014-12-03, 13:52
- Echo Chamber -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 12:57
- "Game Informer got it straight." -- DeeJ_BNG - Monochron, 2014-12-03, 13:15
- "part of the vision" :^) -
Spec ops Grunt,
2014-12-03, 12:10
- He's got a point. - Ragashingo, 2014-12-03, 12:34
- "Game Informer got it straight." -- DeeJ_BNG - Monochron, 2014-12-03, 13:13
- "Gather the tomatoes." -- DeeJ - Leviathan, 2014-12-03, 19:28
- How long does it take to upgrade an exotic? -
Beorn,
2014-12-03, 12:18
- That's something we don't know -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 12:19
- That's something we don't know -
Spec ops Grunt,
2014-12-03, 12:22
- Well, they used to - iconicbanana, 2014-12-03, 12:24
- That's something we don't know -
Spec ops Grunt,
2014-12-03, 12:22
- How long does it take to upgrade an exotic? - Schedonnardus, 2014-12-03, 12:32
- How long does it take to upgrade an exotic? - General Vagueness, 2014-12-03, 13:59
- How long does it take to upgrade an exotic? - Xenos, 2014-12-03, 15:41
- That's something we don't know -
iconicbanana,
2014-12-03, 12:19
- On a positive note -
stabbim,
2014-12-03, 12:32
- On a positive note -
dogcow,
2014-12-03, 12:36
- On a positive note - Ragashingo, 2014-12-03, 12:44
- On a positive note - Vortech, 2014-12-04, 01:21
- On a positive note -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 12:46
- On a positive note -
CyberKN,
2014-12-03, 12:58
- An interesting design philosphy - Durandal, 2014-12-03, 13:41
- On a positive note -
CyberKN,
2014-12-03, 12:58
- On a positive note -
dogcow,
2014-12-03, 12:36
- Hilariously appropriate timing....*GIF -
Mid7night,
2014-12-03, 13:39
- A picture is worth a thousand words - scarab, 2014-12-03, 13:42
- Hilariously appropriate timing....*GIF -
Durandal,
2014-12-03, 13:42
- Hilariously appropriate timing....*GIF -
uberfoop,
2014-12-03, 13:47
- Hilariously appropriate timing....*GIF -
Schedonnardus,
2014-12-03, 13:51
- So the lead and eraser are... -
Mid7night,
2014-12-03, 13:54
- The lead is your patience. - Cody Miller, 2014-12-03, 14:01
- So the lead and eraser are... - dogcow, 2014-12-03, 14:33
- Hilariously appropriate timing....*GIF - uberfoop, 2014-12-03, 14:33
- So the lead and eraser are... -
Mid7night,
2014-12-03, 13:54
- Hilariously appropriate timing....*GIF -
Schedonnardus,
2014-12-03, 13:51
- Hilariously appropriate timing....*GIF -
uberfoop,
2014-12-03, 13:47
- If at first you grind, grind again. - Schedonnardus, 2014-12-03, 13:45
- Best comment on Bungie.net -
petetheduck,
2014-12-03, 13:50
- Thank you for finding it so I did not need to go there - iconicbanana, 2014-12-03, 13:52
- And Again in february -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 14:20
- So now the real question is . . . - Monochron, 2014-12-03, 15:36
- And Again in february -
CruelLEGACEY,
2014-12-03, 17:08
- And Again in february -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 17:14
- And Again in february - CruelLEGACEY, 2014-12-03, 18:04
- And Again in february - General Vagueness, 2014-12-03, 17:52
- And Again in february -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 17:14
- please stop letting Jason Jones make design decisions *nm* - HavokBlue, 2014-12-03, 14:24
- Sunsingers Rejoice! -
unoudid,
2014-12-03, 15:07
- You forgot the Voidfang Vestments -
Beorn,
2014-12-03, 16:06
- we are starting over right? - unoudid, 2014-12-03, 18:11
- You forgot the Voidfang Vestments -
Beorn,
2014-12-03, 16:06
- If at first you grind, grind again. - RC, 2014-12-03, 15:13
- One thing to note... - Xenos, 2014-12-03, 15:50
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2014-12-03, 15:56
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
Xenos,
2014-12-03, 16:21
- If at first you grind, grind again. - Leviathan, 2014-12-03, 16:39
- If at first you grind, grind again. - Vortech, 2014-12-04, 01:34
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
Xenos,
2014-12-03, 16:21
- If at first you grind, grind again. - Avateur, 2014-12-03, 16:51
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
Kahzgul,
2014-12-03, 17:26
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
Leviathan,
2014-12-03, 19:06
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 19:24
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
Leviathan,
2014-12-03, 19:46
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 19:50
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
Leviathan,
2014-12-03, 20:27
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-05, 13:01
- If at first you grind, grind again. - Kermit, 2014-12-05, 13:21
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-05, 13:01
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
Leviathan,
2014-12-03, 20:27
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 19:50
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
Leviathan,
2014-12-03, 19:46
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
Cody Miller,
2014-12-03, 19:24
- If at first you grind, grind again. -
Leviathan,
2014-12-03, 19:06
- I'm still having fun... - Mid7night, 2014-12-03, 21:04
- Ugh, this is disgusting -
Spec ops Grunt,
2014-12-03, 09:45