Immersion and Linear Progression
It's like I link people to a very good i(n fact one of the best) articles about video games and stories, that puts the fundamental problem in a very simple, concise way, and nobody seems to read it. I wonder why.
I actually have read it, and I think it's a great read. It brings up a lot of good points about why game design needs to focus on gameplay more than anything else. However, I do think that it at best ignores the concept of great story telling through cutscenes and at worst implies that story telling through cutscenes is bad.
Cutscenes work (when done well) because they can create moments that you just can't experience in the type of game you're playing. This should be about the only time (in my opinion) you should have cutscenes. Now, a lot of games (especially AAA games) use cutscenes too much. Why am I watching the player-character fight a group of bad guys instead of doing it myself?
I think completely separating any medium from another medium usually leads to less creativity instead of more. All mediums do (and should) rip off and build off of all other mediums. Last of Us to me is a great example of this. It is an incredibly cinematic experience, it steals a lot from movies, but it is a solid, enjoyable, and moving game that would not be nearly as good if it was just a movie.
(This is meant to be a tangent, not related to the current discussion going on)
Complete thread:
- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
PerseusSpartacus,
2013-07-24, 19:25
- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-24, 23:56
- What's Your Biggest Worry? - Risay117, 2013-07-25, 00:03
- What's Your Biggest Worry? - kapowaz, 2013-07-25, 01:29
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-25, 02:59
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-25, 08:30
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Jillybean,
2013-07-25, 08:33
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-25, 08:35
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-25, 09:40
- Immersion and Linear Progression - uberfoop, 2013-07-25, 18:15
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 00:43
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 02:05
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 08:33
- Immersion and Linear Progression - kapowaz, 2013-07-26, 08:45
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 08:33
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 02:05
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-25, 09:40
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-25, 08:35
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-25, 09:42
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Jillybean,
2013-07-25, 09:50
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 00:45
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 01:48
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
marmot 1333,
2013-07-26, 06:42
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 07:16
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Xenos,
2013-07-26, 08:08
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 08:51
- That's fair - Xenos, 2013-07-26, 08:59
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 08:51
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Xenos,
2013-07-26, 08:08
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 07:16
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 08:36
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 08:46
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 08:59
- Sometimes I wonder why you're even here! -
Jillybean,
2013-07-26, 09:54
- One of life's great mysteries isn't it? Why is he here? -
Avateur,
2013-07-26, 11:30
- Heh. - Ragashingo, 2013-07-26, 11:38
- One of life's great mysteries isn't it? Why is he here? -
Avateur,
2013-07-26, 11:30
- Sometimes I wonder why you're even here! -
Jillybean,
2013-07-26, 09:54
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 08:59
- Immersion and Linear Progression - Xenos, 2013-07-26, 08:58
- Immersion and Linear Progression - electricpirate, 2013-07-26, 09:42
- Immersion and Linear Progression - Jillybean, 2013-07-26, 09:55
- Immersion and Linear Progression - marmot 1333, 2013-07-26, 10:04
- To many people who are not Cody - SonofMacPhisto, 2013-07-26, 14:05
- Actually to Cody - SonofMacPhisto, 2013-07-26, 14:08
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 08:46
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
marmot 1333,
2013-07-26, 06:42
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 01:48
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 00:45
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Xenos,
2013-07-25, 09:56
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Ragashingo,
2013-07-25, 10:37
- Immersion and Linear Progression - Xenos, 2013-07-25, 10:51
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Ragashingo,
2013-07-25, 10:37
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 00:44
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 02:03
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-28, 11:28
- Immersion and Linear Progression - kapowaz, 2013-07-29, 07:24
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-28, 11:28
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 02:03
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Jillybean,
2013-07-25, 09:50
- Immersion and Linear Progression - Risay117, 2013-07-25, 15:19
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Jillybean,
2013-07-25, 08:33
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-25, 08:30
- Not really a new idea... - electricpirate, 2013-07-25, 06:32
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea -
MrPadraig08,
2013-07-25, 07:04
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea -
electricpirate,
2013-07-25, 07:57
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-25, 08:32
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea - electricpirate, 2013-07-25, 09:20
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea -
RC,
2013-07-26, 03:56
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 08:34
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea -
DerekT07,
2013-07-26, 09:41
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea - Cody Miller, 2013-07-28, 11:29
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea - kapowaz, 2013-07-27, 00:38
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea -
DerekT07,
2013-07-26, 09:41
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 08:34
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-25, 08:32
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea -
electricpirate,
2013-07-25, 07:57
- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
marmot 1333,
2013-07-26, 07:15
- Me too. - Xenos, 2013-07-26, 08:14
- What's Your Biggest Worry? - General Vagueness, 2013-08-01, 17:26
- What's Your Biggest Worry? - Risay117, 2013-07-24, 23:58
- What's Your Biggest Worry? - Hedge, 2013-07-25, 00:10
- What's Your Biggest Worry? - Dean Hofmeyer (unhh), 2013-07-25, 01:25
- disparate co-op - kidtsunami, 2013-07-25, 02:27
- Singleplayer Experience -
kapowaz,
2013-07-25, 05:05
- Singleplayer Experience -
kidtsunami,
2013-07-25, 05:30
- NM, posted to wrong place - electricpirate, 2013-07-25, 06:34
- Singleplayer Experience -
kidtsunami,
2013-07-25, 05:30
- Inexperience -
kapowaz,
2013-07-25, 05:14
- Inexperience - PerseusSpartacus, 2013-07-25, 17:17
- Narrative dissonance due to shared world - electricpirate, 2013-07-25, 06:35
- What's Your Biggest Worry? - Ragashingo, 2013-07-25, 06:41
- Time - MrPadraig08, 2013-07-25, 07:08
- What's Your Biggest Worry? - Xenos, 2013-07-25, 07:12
- That people worry too much. -
Leviathan,
2013-07-25, 09:11
- Anticipation is a metagame -
electricpirate,
2013-07-25, 09:24
- yeah I worry because I care, I also don't worry A LOT - kidtsunami, 2013-07-25, 09:31
- I was just being dumb. -
Leviathan,
2013-07-25, 10:14
- I was just being dumb. -
Xenos,
2013-07-25, 10:23
- Agreed - Oholiab, 2013-07-29, 12:40
- Better? *IMG* -
SonofMacPhisto,
2013-07-25, 10:39
- Better? *IMG* -
Ragashingo,
2013-07-25, 10:49
- *Saturn -
ZackDark,
2013-07-25, 11:09
- My Very Excellent Mother Served Just Us Nine Pizzas? :p *NM* - Ragashingo, 2013-07-25, 11:15
- *Saturn -
ZackDark,
2013-07-25, 11:09
- Better? *IMG* -
Ragashingo,
2013-07-25, 10:49
- I was just being dumb. -
Xenos,
2013-07-25, 10:23
- Anticipation is a metagame -
electricpirate,
2013-07-25, 09:24
- That you see the redstone -
Jillybean,
2013-07-25, 09:53
- That you see the redstone - Xenos, 2013-07-25, 10:09
- That you see the redstone -
PerseusSpartacus,
2013-07-25, 17:29
- That you see the redstone -
marmot 1333,
2013-07-26, 07:21
- I think it's from minecraft -
kidtsunami,
2013-07-26, 07:27
- I think it's from minecraft -
Xenos,
2013-07-26, 08:17
- great explanation! thanks! - kidtsunami, 2013-07-26, 08:19
- I think it's from minecraft -
Xenos,
2013-07-26, 08:17
- I think it's from minecraft -
kidtsunami,
2013-07-26, 07:27
- That you see the redstone - Xenos, 2013-07-26, 08:24
- That you see the redstone -
marmot 1333,
2013-07-26, 07:21
- That you see the redstone -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 09:00
- That you see the redstone -
Jillybean,
2013-07-26, 10:01
- That you see the redstone -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-28, 11:32
- That you see the redstone -
Jillybean,
2013-07-29, 10:53
- That you see the redstone -
Kermit,
2013-07-31, 14:06
- That you see the redstone -
Jillybean,
2013-07-31, 15:32
- That you see the redstone -
Xenos,
2013-07-31, 16:25
- That you see the redstone - Jillybean, 2013-08-01, 14:11
- That you see the redstone -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-01, 14:43
- That you see the redstone - Xenos, 2013-08-01, 14:58
- That you see the redstone -
Jillybean,
2013-08-02, 09:41
- That you see the redstone - Xenos, 2013-08-02, 09:45
- That you see the redstone -
Xenos,
2013-07-31, 16:25
- That you see the redstone -
Jillybean,
2013-07-31, 15:32
- That you see the redstone -
Kermit,
2013-07-31, 14:06
- That you see the redstone -
Jillybean,
2013-07-31, 13:30
- That you see the redstone -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-31, 14:25
- That you see the redstone -
Jillybean,
2013-07-31, 15:30
- That you see the redstone - narcogen, 2013-08-02, 00:24
- That you see the redstone -
Jillybean,
2013-07-31, 15:30
- That you see the redstone -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-31, 14:25
- That you see the redstone -
Jillybean,
2013-07-29, 10:53
- That you see the redstone -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-28, 11:32
- That you see the redstone -
Jillybean,
2013-07-26, 10:01
- Public Events -
Risay117,
2013-07-25, 10:38
- Public Events -
Ragashingo,
2013-07-25, 10:46
- EVE pulls it off frequently -
ZackDark,
2013-07-25, 11:17
- EVE pulls it off frequently -
Risay117,
2013-07-25, 11:27
- EVE pulls it off frequently -
Ragashingo,
2013-07-25, 12:16
- Great point -
ZackDark,
2013-07-25, 12:19
- Great point - Ragashingo, 2013-07-25, 12:21
- EVE pulls it off frequently -
Risay117,
2013-07-25, 13:26
- Dungeons and Exploring - Risay117, 2013-07-25, 13:30
- Great point -
ZackDark,
2013-07-25, 12:19
- EVE pulls it off frequently -
Ragashingo,
2013-07-25, 12:16
- EVE pulls it off frequently -
Risay117,
2013-07-25, 11:27
- Public Events - Risay117, 2013-07-25, 11:18
- EVE pulls it off frequently -
ZackDark,
2013-07-25, 11:17
- Public Events -
Ragashingo,
2013-07-25, 10:46
- Friends on different systems -
bluerunner,
2013-07-25, 12:05
- And it'll be expensive! - Ragashingo, 2013-07-25, 12:25
- My thoughts exactly. - Mr Daax, 2013-07-25, 12:35
- good point - kidtsunami, 2013-07-25, 12:43
- That Cody won't like it... - Kermit, 2013-07-25, 18:48
- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
Malagate,
2013-07-25, 21:46
- What's Your Biggest Worry? - marmot 1333, 2013-07-26, 07:23
- That Bungie will add bloom to all the guns *NM* -
Avateur,
2013-07-25, 22:39
- That Bungie will add bloom to all the guns *NM* -
SonofMacPhisto,
2013-07-26, 14:11
- That Bungie will add bloom to all the guns *NM* -
Malagate,
2013-07-27, 06:29
- +1 - Kermit, 2013-07-28, 08:59
- That Bungie will add bloom to all the guns *NM* - Avateur, 2013-07-28, 16:41
- That Bungie will add bloom to all the guns *NM* -
Malagate,
2013-07-27, 06:29
- That Bungie will add bloom to all the guns *NM* -
SonofMacPhisto,
2013-07-26, 14:11
- My honest answer -
Kermit,
2013-07-28, 09:24
- My honest answer - Oholiab, 2013-07-29, 13:04
- My honest answer - Mr Daax, 2013-07-30, 19:22
- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
General Vagueness,
2013-08-01, 21:22
- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
Ragashingo,
2013-08-01, 21:41
- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
Xenos,
2013-08-01, 23:07
- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
General Vagueness,
2013-08-02, 09:32
- What's Your Biggest Worry? - Xenos, 2013-08-02, 09:40
- What's Your Biggest Worry? - Ragashingo, 2013-08-02, 12:55
- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
General Vagueness,
2013-08-02, 09:32
- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
Xenos,
2013-08-01, 23:07
- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
Ragashingo,
2013-08-01, 21:41
- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-24, 23:56