Immersion and Linear Progression
by Cody Miller 
, Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Friday, July 26, 2013, 08:59 (3932 days ago) @ kapowaz
Very good angle on it kapowaz! Stories are not problems to be solved. That's why you re-read them, re-watch them, re-play them. They are about the feelings that are evoked throughout the experience.
This is why video games are bad at stories.
No, this is why games can be bad at stories. There are lots of examples of exceptionally good storytelling in the game world, which could only have been told through that medium.
It's like I link people to a very good i(n fact one of the best) articles about video games and stories, that puts the fundamental problem in a very simple, concise way, and nobody seems to read it. I wonder why.
Because it proves diddly squat, if people enjoyed a story in a game that couldn't have been done as anything other than a game.
…aaaaand if you READ IT you'd see it covers that…
Bottom line: I think Bungie started with the wrong core philosophy, and that's what worries me.
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- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
PerseusSpartacus,
2013-07-24, 19:25
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- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-24, 23:56
- What's Your Biggest Worry? - Risay117, 2013-07-25, 00:03
- What's Your Biggest Worry? - kapowaz, 2013-07-25, 01:29
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-25, 02:59
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-25, 08:30
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Jillybean,
2013-07-25, 08:33
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-25, 08:35
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-25, 09:40
- Immersion and Linear Progression - uberfoop, 2013-07-25, 18:15
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 00:43
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 02:05
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 08:33
- Immersion and Linear Progression - kapowaz, 2013-07-26, 08:45
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 08:33
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 02:05
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-25, 09:40
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-25, 08:35
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-25, 09:42
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Jillybean,
2013-07-25, 09:50
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 00:45
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 01:48
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
marmot 1333,
2013-07-26, 06:42
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 07:16
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Xenos,
2013-07-26, 08:08
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 08:51
- That's fair
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Xenos,
2013-07-26, 08:59
- That's fair
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 08:51
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Xenos,
2013-07-26, 08:08
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 07:16
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 08:36
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 08:46
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 08:59
- Sometimes I wonder why you're even here! -
Jillybean,
2013-07-26, 09:54
- One of life's great mysteries isn't it? Why is he here? -
Avateur,
2013-07-26, 11:30
- Heh. -
Ragashingo,
2013-07-26, 11:38
- Heh.
- One of life's great mysteries isn't it? Why is he here? -
Avateur,
2013-07-26, 11:30
- Sometimes I wonder why you're even here!
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 08:59
- Immersion and Linear Progression - Xenos, 2013-07-26, 08:58
- Immersion and Linear Progression - electricpirate, 2013-07-26, 09:42
- Immersion and Linear Progression - Jillybean, 2013-07-26, 09:55
- Immersion and Linear Progression - marmot 1333, 2013-07-26, 10:04
- To many people who are not Cody - SonofMacPhisto, 2013-07-26, 14:05
- Actually to Cody - SonofMacPhisto, 2013-07-26, 14:08
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 08:46
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
marmot 1333,
2013-07-26, 06:42
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 01:48
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 00:45
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Xenos,
2013-07-25, 09:56
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Ragashingo,
2013-07-25, 10:37
- Immersion and Linear Progression - Xenos, 2013-07-25, 10:51
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Ragashingo,
2013-07-25, 10:37
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 00:44
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 02:03
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-28, 11:28
- Immersion and Linear Progression - kapowaz, 2013-07-29, 07:24
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-28, 11:28
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 02:03
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Jillybean,
2013-07-25, 09:50
- Immersion and Linear Progression - Risay117, 2013-07-25, 15:19
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Jillybean,
2013-07-25, 08:33
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-25, 08:30
- Not really a new idea... - electricpirate, 2013-07-25, 06:32
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea -
MrPadraig08,
2013-07-25, 07:04
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea -
electricpirate,
2013-07-25, 07:57
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-25, 08:32
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea - electricpirate, 2013-07-25, 09:20
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea -
RC,
2013-07-26, 03:56
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 08:34
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea -
DerekT07,
2013-07-26, 09:41
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea - Cody Miller, 2013-07-28, 11:29
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea - kapowaz, 2013-07-27, 00:38
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea -
DerekT07,
2013-07-26, 09:41
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 08:34
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-25, 08:32
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea -
electricpirate,
2013-07-25, 07:57
- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
marmot 1333,
2013-07-26, 07:15
- Me too. - Xenos, 2013-07-26, 08:14
- What's Your Biggest Worry? - General Vagueness, 2013-08-01, 17:26
- What's Your Biggest Worry? - Risay117, 2013-07-24, 23:58
- What's Your Biggest Worry? - Hedge, 2013-07-25, 00:10
- What's Your Biggest Worry? - Dean Hofmeyer (unhh), 2013-07-25, 01:25
- disparate co-op - kidtsunami, 2013-07-25, 02:27
- Singleplayer Experience -
kapowaz,
2013-07-25, 05:05
- Singleplayer Experience -
kidtsunami,
2013-07-25, 05:30
- NM, posted to wrong place -
electricpirate,
2013-07-25, 06:34
- NM, posted to wrong place
- Singleplayer Experience -
kidtsunami,
2013-07-25, 05:30
- Inexperience -
kapowaz,
2013-07-25, 05:14
- Inexperience - PerseusSpartacus, 2013-07-25, 17:17
- Narrative dissonance due to shared world - electricpirate, 2013-07-25, 06:35
- What's Your Biggest Worry? - Ragashingo, 2013-07-25, 06:41
- Time - MrPadraig08, 2013-07-25, 07:08
- What's Your Biggest Worry? - Xenos, 2013-07-25, 07:12
- That people worry too much. -
Leviathan,
2013-07-25, 09:11
- Anticipation is a metagame -
electricpirate,
2013-07-25, 09:24
- yeah I worry because I care, I also don't worry A LOT -
kidtsunami,
2013-07-25, 09:31
- I was just being dumb. -
Leviathan,
2013-07-25, 10:14
- I was just being dumb. -
Xenos,
2013-07-25, 10:23
- Agreed -
Oholiab,
2013-07-29, 12:40
- Agreed
- Better? *IMG* -
SonofMacPhisto,
2013-07-25, 10:39
- Better? *IMG* -
Ragashingo,
2013-07-25, 10:49
- *Saturn -
ZackDark,
2013-07-25, 11:09
- My Very Excellent Mother Served Just Us Nine Pizzas? :p *NM* - Ragashingo, 2013-07-25, 11:15
- *Saturn -
ZackDark,
2013-07-25, 11:09
- Better? *IMG* -
Ragashingo,
2013-07-25, 10:49
- I was just being dumb. -
Xenos,
2013-07-25, 10:23
- yeah I worry because I care, I also don't worry A LOT
- Anticipation is a metagame -
electricpirate,
2013-07-25, 09:24
- That you see the redstone -
Jillybean,
2013-07-25, 09:53
- That you see the redstone - Xenos, 2013-07-25, 10:09
- That you see the redstone -
PerseusSpartacus,
2013-07-25, 17:29
- That you see the redstone -
marmot 1333,
2013-07-26, 07:21
- I think it's from minecraft -
kidtsunami,
2013-07-26, 07:27
- I think it's from minecraft -
Xenos,
2013-07-26, 08:17
- great explanation! thanks! -
kidtsunami,
2013-07-26, 08:19
- great explanation! thanks!
- I think it's from minecraft -
Xenos,
2013-07-26, 08:17
- I think it's from minecraft -
kidtsunami,
2013-07-26, 07:27
- That you see the redstone - Xenos, 2013-07-26, 08:24
- That you see the redstone -
marmot 1333,
2013-07-26, 07:21
- That you see the redstone -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 09:00
- That you see the redstone -
Jillybean,
2013-07-26, 10:01
- That you see the redstone -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-28, 11:32
- That you see the redstone -
Jillybean,
2013-07-29, 10:53
- That you see the redstone -
Kermit,
2013-07-31, 14:06
- That you see the redstone -
Jillybean,
2013-07-31, 15:32
- That you see the redstone -
Xenos,
2013-07-31, 16:25
- That you see the redstone - Jillybean, 2013-08-01, 14:11
- That you see the redstone -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-01, 14:43
- That you see the redstone - Xenos, 2013-08-01, 14:58
- That you see the redstone -
Jillybean,
2013-08-02, 09:41
- That you see the redstone - Xenos, 2013-08-02, 09:45
- That you see the redstone -
Xenos,
2013-07-31, 16:25
- That you see the redstone -
Jillybean,
2013-07-31, 15:32
- That you see the redstone -
Kermit,
2013-07-31, 14:06
- That you see the redstone -
Jillybean,
2013-07-31, 13:30
- That you see the redstone -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-31, 14:25
- That you see the redstone -
Jillybean,
2013-07-31, 15:30
- That you see the redstone - narcogen, 2013-08-02, 00:24
- That you see the redstone -
Jillybean,
2013-07-31, 15:30
- That you see the redstone -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-31, 14:25
- That you see the redstone -
Jillybean,
2013-07-29, 10:53
- That you see the redstone -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-28, 11:32
- That you see the redstone -
Jillybean,
2013-07-26, 10:01
- Public Events -
Risay117,
2013-07-25, 10:38
- Public Events -
Ragashingo,
2013-07-25, 10:46
- EVE pulls it off frequently -
ZackDark,
2013-07-25, 11:17
- EVE pulls it off frequently -
Risay117,
2013-07-25, 11:27
- EVE pulls it off frequently -
Ragashingo,
2013-07-25, 12:16
- Great point -
ZackDark,
2013-07-25, 12:19
- Great point - Ragashingo, 2013-07-25, 12:21
- EVE pulls it off frequently -
Risay117,
2013-07-25, 13:26
- Dungeons and Exploring - Risay117, 2013-07-25, 13:30
- Great point
- EVE pulls it off frequently -
Ragashingo,
2013-07-25, 12:16
- EVE pulls it off frequently -
Risay117,
2013-07-25, 11:27
- Public Events - Risay117, 2013-07-25, 11:18
- EVE pulls it off frequently -
ZackDark,
2013-07-25, 11:17
- Public Events -
Ragashingo,
2013-07-25, 10:46
- Friends on different systems -
bluerunner,
2013-07-25, 12:05
- And it'll be expensive! -
Ragashingo,
2013-07-25, 12:25
- My thoughts exactly. -
Mr Daax,
2013-07-25, 12:35
- good point -
kidtsunami,
2013-07-25, 12:43
- And it'll be expensive!
- That Cody won't like it... - Kermit, 2013-07-25, 18:48
- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
Malagate,
2013-07-25, 21:46
- What's Your Biggest Worry? - marmot 1333, 2013-07-26, 07:23
- That Bungie will add bloom to all the guns *NM* -
Avateur,
2013-07-25, 22:39
- That Bungie will add bloom to all the guns *NM* -
SonofMacPhisto,
2013-07-26, 14:11
- That Bungie will add bloom to all the guns *NM* -
Malagate,
2013-07-27, 06:29
- +1 -
Kermit,
2013-07-28, 08:59
- That Bungie will add bloom to all the guns *NM* - Avateur, 2013-07-28, 16:41
- +1
- That Bungie will add bloom to all the guns *NM* -
Malagate,
2013-07-27, 06:29
- That Bungie will add bloom to all the guns *NM* -
SonofMacPhisto,
2013-07-26, 14:11
- My honest answer -
Kermit,
2013-07-28, 09:24
- My honest answer - Oholiab, 2013-07-29, 13:04
- My honest answer - Mr Daax, 2013-07-30, 19:22
- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
General Vagueness,
2013-08-01, 21:22
- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
Ragashingo,
2013-08-01, 21:41
- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
Xenos,
2013-08-01, 23:07
- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
General Vagueness,
2013-08-02, 09:32
- What's Your Biggest Worry? - Xenos, 2013-08-02, 09:40
- What's Your Biggest Worry? - Ragashingo, 2013-08-02, 12:55
- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
General Vagueness,
2013-08-02, 09:32
- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
Xenos,
2013-08-01, 23:07
- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
Ragashingo,
2013-08-01, 21:41
- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-24, 23:56