Immersion and Linear Progression
You talk about these things as if writing optional, non-linear narrative is just a simple problem to solve. I think the very fact it doesn't exist (a few experiments aside) in mainstream video games is a good demonstration that it's far from simple.
The original Deus Ex. Hardly an experiment, and definitely mainstream.
Deus Ex does present the player with much more choice in the narrative, but it's still pretty much just smoke and mirrors: there are a grand total of three possible endings, and so whilst the route you take there might be different the outcome is really just one of a set of narratives where you mix and match parts. The original Colony Wars did the same thing, but had five final outcomes at the end of an overlapping tree structure depending on mission outcome. These are actually the examples I was thinking of when I said experiments, because as much as they were interesting they haven't massively influenced mainstream games that followed, and linear narrative has remained the dominant form.
You're not getting what I'm saying.
In Deus Ex, you can:
1. Get important story details way before you are supposed to if you are inquisitive and have the right skills / augs
2. Get sidestory and flavor story in much the same way.
The story is still mostly linear and largely the same regardless of how you play (there are little changes of course). However, the game was designed in such a way that jumping the gun and finding alternate info actually enhanced the experience and was rewarding.
Did you ever hear anybody complain that they discovered the twist with Unatco way before the game is supposed to reveal it, because you hacked your way into secret computers in hard to reach places? No, most people though that was COOL.
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- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
PerseusSpartacus,
2013-07-24, 19:25
- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-24, 23:56
- What's Your Biggest Worry? - Risay117, 2013-07-25, 00:03
- What's Your Biggest Worry? - kapowaz, 2013-07-25, 01:29
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-25, 02:59
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-25, 08:30
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Jillybean,
2013-07-25, 08:33
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-25, 08:35
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-25, 09:40
- Immersion and Linear Progression - uberfoop, 2013-07-25, 18:15
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 00:43
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 02:05
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 08:33
- Immersion and Linear Progression - kapowaz, 2013-07-26, 08:45
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 08:33
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 02:05
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-25, 09:40
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-25, 08:35
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-25, 09:42
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Jillybean,
2013-07-25, 09:50
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 00:45
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 01:48
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
marmot 1333,
2013-07-26, 06:42
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 07:16
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Xenos,
2013-07-26, 08:08
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 08:51
- That's fair - Xenos, 2013-07-26, 08:59
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 08:51
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Xenos,
2013-07-26, 08:08
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 07:16
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 08:36
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 08:46
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 08:59
- Sometimes I wonder why you're even here! -
Jillybean,
2013-07-26, 09:54
- One of life's great mysteries isn't it? Why is he here? -
Avateur,
2013-07-26, 11:30
- Heh. - Ragashingo, 2013-07-26, 11:38
- One of life's great mysteries isn't it? Why is he here? -
Avateur,
2013-07-26, 11:30
- Sometimes I wonder why you're even here! -
Jillybean,
2013-07-26, 09:54
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 08:59
- Immersion and Linear Progression - Xenos, 2013-07-26, 08:58
- Immersion and Linear Progression - electricpirate, 2013-07-26, 09:42
- Immersion and Linear Progression - Jillybean, 2013-07-26, 09:55
- Immersion and Linear Progression - marmot 1333, 2013-07-26, 10:04
- To many people who are not Cody - SonofMacPhisto, 2013-07-26, 14:05
- Actually to Cody - SonofMacPhisto, 2013-07-26, 14:08
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 08:46
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
marmot 1333,
2013-07-26, 06:42
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 01:48
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 00:45
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Xenos,
2013-07-25, 09:56
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Ragashingo,
2013-07-25, 10:37
- Immersion and Linear Progression - Xenos, 2013-07-25, 10:51
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Ragashingo,
2013-07-25, 10:37
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 00:44
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 02:03
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-28, 11:28
- Immersion and Linear Progression - kapowaz, 2013-07-29, 07:24
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-28, 11:28
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
kapowaz,
2013-07-26, 02:03
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Jillybean,
2013-07-25, 09:50
- Immersion and Linear Progression - Risay117, 2013-07-25, 15:19
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Jillybean,
2013-07-25, 08:33
- Immersion and Linear Progression -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-25, 08:30
- Not really a new idea... - electricpirate, 2013-07-25, 06:32
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea -
MrPadraig08,
2013-07-25, 07:04
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea -
electricpirate,
2013-07-25, 07:57
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-25, 08:32
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea - electricpirate, 2013-07-25, 09:20
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea -
RC,
2013-07-26, 03:56
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 08:34
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea -
DerekT07,
2013-07-26, 09:41
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea - Cody Miller, 2013-07-28, 11:29
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea - kapowaz, 2013-07-27, 00:38
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea -
DerekT07,
2013-07-26, 09:41
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 08:34
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-25, 08:32
- Gamefaqs would implode this game idea -
electricpirate,
2013-07-25, 07:57
- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
marmot 1333,
2013-07-26, 07:15
- Me too. - Xenos, 2013-07-26, 08:14
- What's Your Biggest Worry? - General Vagueness, 2013-08-01, 17:26
- What's Your Biggest Worry? - Risay117, 2013-07-24, 23:58
- What's Your Biggest Worry? - Hedge, 2013-07-25, 00:10
- What's Your Biggest Worry? - Dean Hofmeyer (unhh), 2013-07-25, 01:25
- disparate co-op - kidtsunami, 2013-07-25, 02:27
- Singleplayer Experience -
kapowaz,
2013-07-25, 05:05
- Singleplayer Experience -
kidtsunami,
2013-07-25, 05:30
- NM, posted to wrong place - electricpirate, 2013-07-25, 06:34
- Singleplayer Experience -
kidtsunami,
2013-07-25, 05:30
- Inexperience -
kapowaz,
2013-07-25, 05:14
- Inexperience - PerseusSpartacus, 2013-07-25, 17:17
- Narrative dissonance due to shared world - electricpirate, 2013-07-25, 06:35
- What's Your Biggest Worry? - Ragashingo, 2013-07-25, 06:41
- Time - MrPadraig08, 2013-07-25, 07:08
- What's Your Biggest Worry? - Xenos, 2013-07-25, 07:12
- That people worry too much. -
Leviathan,
2013-07-25, 09:11
- Anticipation is a metagame -
electricpirate,
2013-07-25, 09:24
- yeah I worry because I care, I also don't worry A LOT - kidtsunami, 2013-07-25, 09:31
- I was just being dumb. -
Leviathan,
2013-07-25, 10:14
- I was just being dumb. -
Xenos,
2013-07-25, 10:23
- Agreed - Oholiab, 2013-07-29, 12:40
- Better? *IMG* -
SonofMacPhisto,
2013-07-25, 10:39
- Better? *IMG* -
Ragashingo,
2013-07-25, 10:49
- *Saturn -
ZackDark,
2013-07-25, 11:09
- My Very Excellent Mother Served Just Us Nine Pizzas? :p *NM* - Ragashingo, 2013-07-25, 11:15
- *Saturn -
ZackDark,
2013-07-25, 11:09
- Better? *IMG* -
Ragashingo,
2013-07-25, 10:49
- I was just being dumb. -
Xenos,
2013-07-25, 10:23
- Anticipation is a metagame -
electricpirate,
2013-07-25, 09:24
- That you see the redstone -
Jillybean,
2013-07-25, 09:53
- That you see the redstone - Xenos, 2013-07-25, 10:09
- That you see the redstone -
PerseusSpartacus,
2013-07-25, 17:29
- That you see the redstone -
marmot 1333,
2013-07-26, 07:21
- I think it's from minecraft -
kidtsunami,
2013-07-26, 07:27
- I think it's from minecraft -
Xenos,
2013-07-26, 08:17
- great explanation! thanks! - kidtsunami, 2013-07-26, 08:19
- I think it's from minecraft -
Xenos,
2013-07-26, 08:17
- I think it's from minecraft -
kidtsunami,
2013-07-26, 07:27
- That you see the redstone - Xenos, 2013-07-26, 08:24
- That you see the redstone -
marmot 1333,
2013-07-26, 07:21
- That you see the redstone -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-26, 09:00
- That you see the redstone -
Jillybean,
2013-07-26, 10:01
- That you see the redstone -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-28, 11:32
- That you see the redstone -
Jillybean,
2013-07-29, 10:53
- That you see the redstone -
Kermit,
2013-07-31, 14:06
- That you see the redstone -
Jillybean,
2013-07-31, 15:32
- That you see the redstone -
Xenos,
2013-07-31, 16:25
- That you see the redstone - Jillybean, 2013-08-01, 14:11
- That you see the redstone -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-01, 14:43
- That you see the redstone - Xenos, 2013-08-01, 14:58
- That you see the redstone -
Jillybean,
2013-08-02, 09:41
- That you see the redstone - Xenos, 2013-08-02, 09:45
- That you see the redstone -
Xenos,
2013-07-31, 16:25
- That you see the redstone -
Jillybean,
2013-07-31, 15:32
- That you see the redstone -
Kermit,
2013-07-31, 14:06
- That you see the redstone -
Jillybean,
2013-07-31, 13:30
- That you see the redstone -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-31, 14:25
- That you see the redstone -
Jillybean,
2013-07-31, 15:30
- That you see the redstone - narcogen, 2013-08-02, 00:24
- That you see the redstone -
Jillybean,
2013-07-31, 15:30
- That you see the redstone -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-31, 14:25
- That you see the redstone -
Jillybean,
2013-07-29, 10:53
- That you see the redstone -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-28, 11:32
- That you see the redstone -
Jillybean,
2013-07-26, 10:01
- Public Events -
Risay117,
2013-07-25, 10:38
- Public Events -
Ragashingo,
2013-07-25, 10:46
- EVE pulls it off frequently -
ZackDark,
2013-07-25, 11:17
- EVE pulls it off frequently -
Risay117,
2013-07-25, 11:27
- EVE pulls it off frequently -
Ragashingo,
2013-07-25, 12:16
- Great point -
ZackDark,
2013-07-25, 12:19
- Great point - Ragashingo, 2013-07-25, 12:21
- EVE pulls it off frequently -
Risay117,
2013-07-25, 13:26
- Dungeons and Exploring - Risay117, 2013-07-25, 13:30
- Great point -
ZackDark,
2013-07-25, 12:19
- EVE pulls it off frequently -
Ragashingo,
2013-07-25, 12:16
- EVE pulls it off frequently -
Risay117,
2013-07-25, 11:27
- Public Events - Risay117, 2013-07-25, 11:18
- EVE pulls it off frequently -
ZackDark,
2013-07-25, 11:17
- Public Events -
Ragashingo,
2013-07-25, 10:46
- Friends on different systems -
bluerunner,
2013-07-25, 12:05
- And it'll be expensive! - Ragashingo, 2013-07-25, 12:25
- My thoughts exactly. - Mr Daax, 2013-07-25, 12:35
- good point - kidtsunami, 2013-07-25, 12:43
- That Cody won't like it... - Kermit, 2013-07-25, 18:48
- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
Malagate,
2013-07-25, 21:46
- What's Your Biggest Worry? - marmot 1333, 2013-07-26, 07:23
- That Bungie will add bloom to all the guns *NM* -
Avateur,
2013-07-25, 22:39
- That Bungie will add bloom to all the guns *NM* -
SonofMacPhisto,
2013-07-26, 14:11
- That Bungie will add bloom to all the guns *NM* -
Malagate,
2013-07-27, 06:29
- +1 - Kermit, 2013-07-28, 08:59
- That Bungie will add bloom to all the guns *NM* - Avateur, 2013-07-28, 16:41
- That Bungie will add bloom to all the guns *NM* -
Malagate,
2013-07-27, 06:29
- That Bungie will add bloom to all the guns *NM* -
SonofMacPhisto,
2013-07-26, 14:11
- My honest answer -
Kermit,
2013-07-28, 09:24
- My honest answer - Oholiab, 2013-07-29, 13:04
- My honest answer - Mr Daax, 2013-07-30, 19:22
- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
General Vagueness,
2013-08-01, 21:22
- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
Ragashingo,
2013-08-01, 21:41
- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
Xenos,
2013-08-01, 23:07
- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
General Vagueness,
2013-08-02, 09:32
- What's Your Biggest Worry? - Xenos, 2013-08-02, 09:40
- What's Your Biggest Worry? - Ragashingo, 2013-08-02, 12:55
- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
General Vagueness,
2013-08-02, 09:32
- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
Xenos,
2013-08-01, 23:07
- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
Ragashingo,
2013-08-01, 21:41
- What's Your Biggest Worry? -
Cody Miller,
2013-07-24, 23:56