Joel was never given a redemption (Fan Creations)
The story hinges upon Joel failing with his biological daughter, and thus taking care of Ellie as an adopted daughter for redemption. But it just doesn't work if his daughter was adopted too… it's not really a second chance, it's not Joel desperately trying to make peace. It'd be just a redo. Further, children can just happen, so not being a great father but trying to after you realize that to your biological child, is shitty but at least admirable and I think people would root for you. But if you failed your adopted child? Well you chose it, so you're just a piece of shit.
Dude's a selfish asshole when we see him after the time jump, and he's a selfish asshole at the end when he can't let Ellie die because. He saves her because *he* needs her -- not because it's wrong for her to die.
Complete thread:
- Early Praise for The Last of Us -
Cody Miller,
2023-01-10, 02:42
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- Side Question / Sub Topic -
ManKitten,
2023-01-10, 05:54
- Side Question / Sub Topic - ZackDark, 2023-01-10, 14:33
- Side Question / Sub Topic - Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316), 2023-01-11, 05:35
- Side Question / Sub Topic -
cheapLEY,
2023-01-11, 09:57
- Side Question / Sub Topic -
Cody Miller,
2023-01-11, 10:32
- Side Question / Sub Topic - ManKitten, 2023-01-11, 11:02
- Side Question / Sub Topic -
Cody Miller,
2023-01-11, 10:32
- Episode 1 -
Cody Miller,
2023-01-15, 19:55
- Episode 1 - cheapLEY, 2023-01-15, 20:07
- Episode 1 -
Claude Errera,
2023-01-16, 09:17
- Episode 1 -
Cody Miller,
2023-01-16, 10:25
- Episode 1 -
Kermit,
2023-01-16, 18:56
- P.S. -
Kermit,
2023-01-16, 19:31
- P.S. -
Cody Miller,
2023-01-16, 20:53
- P.S. -
Kermit,
2023-01-16, 22:02
- I think they nailed it -
Beorn,
2023-01-18, 22:26
- I think they nailed it -
Kermit,
2023-01-19, 09:21
- I think they nailed it -
cheapLEY,
2023-01-19, 09:31
- I think they nailed it -
Kermit,
2023-01-19, 09:36
- I think they nailed it -
cheapLEY,
2023-01-19, 10:02
- I think they nailed it -
Kermit,
2023-01-19, 10:06
- I think they nailed it - cheapLEY, 2023-01-21, 12:32
- I think they nailed it -
Kermit,
2023-01-19, 10:06
- I think they nailed it -
cheapLEY,
2023-01-19, 10:02
- I think they nailed it - Cody Miller, 2023-01-19, 13:05
- I think they nailed it -
Kermit,
2023-01-19, 09:36
- I think they nailed it -
cheapLEY,
2023-01-19, 09:31
- I think they nailed it -
Kermit,
2023-01-19, 09:21
- I think they nailed it -
Beorn,
2023-01-18, 22:26
- P.S. -
Kermit,
2023-01-16, 22:02
- P.S. -
Cody Miller,
2023-01-16, 20:53
- P.S. -
Kermit,
2023-01-16, 19:31
- Episode 1 -
Kermit,
2023-01-16, 18:56
- Episode 1 -
Cody Miller,
2023-01-16, 10:25
- Joel was never given a redemption -
Anna Komnene,
2023-01-21, 15:43
- Joel was never given a redemption (*Part II spoilz*) -
Korny,
2023-01-21, 16:29
- Joel was never given a redemption (*Part II spoilz*) -
cheapLEY,
2023-01-21, 20:19
- Joel was never given a redemption (*Part II spoilz*) -
EffortlessFury,
2023-01-21, 21:38
- Joel was never given a redemption (*Part II spoilz*) -
cheapLEY,
2023-01-21, 22:04
- Joel was never given a redemption (*Part II spoilz*) -
EffortlessFury,
2023-01-23, 11:05
- Joel was never given a redemption (*Part II spoilz*) - cheapLEY, 2023-01-23, 12:13
- Joel was never given a redemption (*Part II spoilz*) -
EffortlessFury,
2023-01-23, 11:05
- Joel was never given a redemption (*Part II spoilz*) -
cheapLEY,
2023-01-21, 22:04
- Joel was never given a redemption (*Part II spoilz*) -
EffortlessFury,
2023-01-21, 21:38
- Wasn't a fan of Part II's story because... -
Anna Komnene,
2023-01-22, 10:46
- Wasn't a fan of Part II's story because... - Cody Miller, 2023-01-22, 11:07
- Wasn't a fan of Part II's story because... - cheapLEY, 2023-01-22, 17:52
- Wasn't a fan of Part II's story because... - EffortlessFury, 2023-01-23, 11:11
- Joel was never given a redemption (*Part II spoilz*) -
cheapLEY,
2023-01-21, 20:19
- Joel was never given a redemption - Cody Miller, 2023-01-22, 08:46
- Joel was never given a redemption (*Part II spoilz*) -
Korny,
2023-01-21, 16:29
- Episode 2 -
Cody Miller,
2023-01-22, 22:23
- Dustin Echoes -
Cody Miller,
2023-01-23, 12:47
- Dustin Echoes -
Claude Errera,
2023-01-23, 13:04
- Dustin Echoes - ZackDark, 2023-01-23, 13:27
- Dustin Echoes - cheapLEY, 2023-01-23, 14:14
- Dustin Echoes - Cody Miller, 2023-01-23, 18:00
- Dustin Echoes -
Claude Errera,
2023-01-23, 13:04
- Episode 2 -
Kermit,
2023-01-23, 19:04
- Episode 2 - cheapLEY, 2023-01-23, 19:19
- Dustin Echoes -
Cody Miller,
2023-01-23, 12:47
- Episode 3 - Cody Miller, 2023-01-30, 17:42
- Episode 4 -
Cody Miller,
2023-02-06, 16:30
- Episode 4 - Kermit, 2023-02-06, 17:13
- Episode 4--Wheel Spinning -
cheapLEY,
2023-02-06, 17:35
- Episode 4--Wheel Spinning - Cody Miller, 2023-02-06, 17:40
- Episode 5 - Cody Miller, 2023-02-13, 19:10
- The Ebert Trap - Cody Miller, 2023-02-20, 08:17
- The failure of The Last of Us show. -
cheapLEY,
2023-03-05, 19:39
- The failure of The Last of Us show. -
Cody Miller,
2023-03-05, 22:54
- The failure of The Last of Us show. - Korny, 2023-03-06, 10:35
- The failure of The Last of Us show. -
Kermit,
2023-03-06, 10:23
- I think the story is rushed -
Anna Komnene,
2023-03-06, 14:49
- This - ZackDark, 2023-03-06, 15:32
- I think the story is rushed -
Cody Miller,
2023-03-06, 15:51
- I think the story is rushed -
Anna Komnene,
2023-03-07, 08:11
- I think the story is rushed - cheapLEY, 2023-03-07, 08:30
- I think the story is rushed -
Cody Miller,
2023-03-07, 09:49
- I think the story is rushed -
Kermit,
2023-03-07, 13:32
- I think the story is rushed -
Cody Miller,
2023-03-07, 13:42
- I think the story is rushed -
Kermit,
2023-03-07, 14:15
- I think the story is rushed -
cheapLEY,
2023-03-07, 15:34
- I think the story is rushed - Cody Miller, 2023-03-07, 15:58
- I think the story is rushed -
cheapLEY,
2023-03-07, 15:34
- I think the story is rushed -
Kermit,
2023-03-07, 14:15
- I think the story is rushed -
Cody Miller,
2023-03-07, 13:42
- I think the story is rushed -
Anna Komnene,
2023-03-08, 09:11
- I think the story is rushed - Cody Miller, 2023-03-08, 12:01
- I think the story is rushed -
Kermit,
2023-03-07, 13:32
- I think the story is rushed -
Anna Komnene,
2023-03-07, 08:11
- I think the story is rushed -
Anna Komnene,
2023-03-06, 14:49
- The failure of The Last of Us show. -
Cody Miller,
2023-03-05, 22:54
- The Finale -
Cody Miller,
2023-03-12, 23:32
- The Finale -
Kermit,
2023-03-13, 09:40
- The Finale -
Cody Miller,
2023-03-13, 10:40
- The Finale -
Kermit,
2023-03-13, 11:15
- The Finale -
Cody Miller,
2023-03-13, 11:40
- The Finale - Kermit, 2023-03-13, 11:50
- The Finale -
Cody Miller,
2023-03-13, 11:40
- The Finale -
Kermit,
2023-03-13, 11:15
- The Finale -
Cody Miller,
2023-03-13, 10:40
- The Finale -
Korny,
2023-03-13, 11:29
- The Finale -
Cody Miller,
2023-03-13, 11:36
- The Finale - Kermit, 2023-03-13, 11:54
- The Finale -
Cody Miller,
2023-03-13, 11:36
- The Finale -
cheapLEY,
2023-03-13, 16:38
- The Finale -
Kermit,
2023-03-14, 10:48
- The Finale -
Cody Miller,
2023-03-14, 11:29
- The Finale - Kermit, 2023-03-14, 11:47
- The Finale -
Cody Miller,
2023-03-14, 11:29
- The Finale -
Kermit,
2023-03-14, 10:48
- A general complaint - Kermit, 2023-03-15, 09:24
- The Finale -
Kermit,
2023-03-13, 09:40
- Side Question / Sub Topic -
ManKitten,
2023-01-10, 05:54