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Once again, Skill Up's thoughts are pretty great. (Destiny)
There are tons of solid points and thoughts with regards to what Bungie is delivering and asking of players with Year 2 of Destiny. Much like with his Warmind review, I don't entirely agree with him (I definitely found Warmind and the update that came with it to be worth my time), but it's really hard to argue with the way he presents his thoughts.
Key thoughts:
-How much are you willing to pay to get the game that you should have received at launch? "Forsaken is a retreat to the best parts of Destiny 1", as he puts it (a lot of it has to do with general changes that will affect everyone, even those without the DLC).
-Bungie continues to embrace player-unfriendly practices, and the Year 2 season pass is yet another example of that. (All of the promised content in the $35 season pass is stuff that the Live Team gave us for free, from SRL to Age of Triumph, with the understanding that Eververse was paying for that. Bungie is clearly trying to make up for poor Microtransaction sales by asking players for a chunk of change up front to continue to get what we were supposed to be getting from a Live Service game, while still refusing to phase out Destiny's Eververse prominence.)
-The Annual Pass content should be stuff that we get in addition to DLC like Warmind, not in lieu of. (Despite having four studios working on the game, we were pretty explicitly told to lower our expectations for Year 2. If you recall noclip's interview with Rebecca Ford on Community Management, she pointed out that this approach is a huge misstep for a developer with a live game. Scrapping big content releases in favor of trickling out content over a longer period will not build or sustain your playerbase. You have to do both.
Rewatching DeeJ pitch the weaker-but-same-price Season Pass was just as painful as the first time that he stumbled through it. You're not fooling people, man...)
-Bungie shouldn't be forcing that you buy Curse of Osiris in order to buy Forsaken. Given the situation that Bungie has put themselves in, it's a lot to ask (as he puts it, Value is relative, but Bungie's goodwill bank is empty).
-But the Expansion itself looks great, and easily worth the $40 asking price if it's anything like The Taken King. (I'm still cautious, because this is the same Bungie that hyped up Lost Sectors, Guided Games, and 4v4 as gamechangers.
Complete thread:
- Destiny 2 - Year 2 Reveal Stream is Live -
CyberKN,
2018-06-05, 08:58
- Immediate impression - ManKitten, 2018-06-05, 09:07
- Release Date: September 4th
- CyberKN, 2018-06-05, 09:13
- Roadmap got updated: - CyberKN, 2018-06-05, 09:17
- Looks like yet another "Inconsequential story" expansion... -
Korny,
2018-06-05, 09:23
- DeeJ: "If you don't like playing against stacked teams... -
Korny,
2018-06-05, 09:28
- DeeJ: "If you don't like playing against stacked teams... -
Cody Miller,
2018-06-05, 11:46
- DeeJ: "If you don't like playing against stacked teams... -
Korny,
2018-06-05, 11:55
- DeeJ: "If you don't like playing against stacked teams... -
cheapLEY,
2018-06-05, 12:39
- +1
- MacAddictXIV, 2018-06-05, 12:42
- DeeJ: "If you don't like playing against stacked teams... -
Korny,
2018-06-06, 08:39
- DeeJ: "If you don't like playing against stacked teams... - cheapLEY, 2018-06-06, 08:45
- +1
- DeeJ: "If you don't like playing against stacked teams... - Cody Miller, 2018-06-05, 12:41
- DeeJ: "If you don't like playing against stacked teams... -
Kermit,
2018-06-06, 21:04
- DeeJ: "If you don't like playing against stacked teams... -
Robot Chickens,
2018-06-06, 21:28
- DeeJ: "If you don't like playing against stacked teams... -
Kermit,
2018-06-07, 05:53
- DeeJ: "If you don't like playing against stacked teams... -
Malagate,
2018-06-07, 06:12
- DeeJ: "If you don't like playing against stacked teams... -
Kermit,
2018-06-07, 08:51
- DeeJ: "If you don't like playing against stacked teams... - Malagate, 2018-06-07, 09:31
- DeeJ: "If you don't like playing against stacked teams... -
Kermit,
2018-06-07, 08:51
- DeeJ: "If you don't like playing against stacked teams... -
Malagate,
2018-06-07, 06:12
- DeeJ: "If you don't like playing against stacked teams... -
Kermit,
2018-06-07, 05:53
- DeeJ: "If you don't like playing against stacked teams... -
Robot Chickens,
2018-06-06, 21:28
- Watch it. - Xenos, 2018-06-07, 09:15
- DeeJ: "If you don't like playing against stacked teams... -
cheapLEY,
2018-06-05, 12:39
- DeeJ: "If you don't like playing against stacked teams... -
Korny,
2018-06-05, 11:55
- DeeJ: "If you don't like playing against stacked teams... -
Cody Miller,
2018-06-05, 11:46
- Looks like yet another "Inconsequential story" expansion... -
EffortlessFury,
2018-06-05, 09:31
- Looks like yet another "Inconsequential story" expansion... -
Korny,
2018-06-05, 10:09
- Looks like yet another "Inconsequential story" expansion... -
Robot Chickens,
2018-06-05, 10:48
- Looks like yet another "Inconsequential story" expansion... -
breitzen,
2018-06-05, 10:53
- Looks like yet another "Inconsequential story" expansion... -
Korny,
2018-06-05, 11:09
- Looks like yet another "Inconsequential story" expansion... - EffortlessFury, 2018-06-05, 14:35
- Looks like yet another "Inconsequential story" expansion... -
Korny,
2018-06-05, 11:09
- Looks like yet another "Inconsequential story" expansion... -
breitzen,
2018-06-05, 10:53
- Looks like yet another "Inconsequential story" expansion... -
Robot Chickens,
2018-06-05, 10:48
- Looks like yet another "Inconsequential story" expansion... -
Korny,
2018-06-05, 10:09
- DeeJ: "If you don't like playing against stacked teams... -
Korny,
2018-06-05, 09:28
- Box art: -
CyberKN,
2018-06-05, 09:28
- Forsaken requires that you buy Year 1 season pass? What? -
Korny,
2018-06-05, 09:31
- That is relatively typical for MMO-style games, no?
- EffortlessFury, 2018-06-05, 09:41
- Taken King included TDB and HoW for free, IIRC
- CyberKN, 2018-06-05, 09:42
- They released the expansion and a full re-release
- EffortlessFury, 2018-06-05, 09:43
- Yup. Only the "Legendary Edition" of TTK had expansions.
- Korny, 2018-06-05, 09:47
- Yup. Only the "Legendary Edition" of TTK had expansions.
- They released the expansion and a full re-release
- Taken King included TDB and HoW for free, IIRC
- That is relatively typical for MMO-style games, no?
- Forsaken requires that you buy Year 1 season pass? What? -
Korny,
2018-06-05, 09:31
- There are some who said this day would never happen - Robot Chickens, 2018-06-05, 09:30
- Your Kiosks come with you, letting you pull things -
Korny,
2018-06-05, 09:42
- We don't know that in full yet. - INSANEdrive, 2018-06-05, 16:03
- I guess so, probably. - DEEP_NNN, 2018-06-05, 09:56
- Got my ticket for the hype train.
- Malagate, 2018-06-05, 09:59
- So far so good. -
Ragashingo,
2018-06-05, 10:36
- P.S. I’m gonna quickly finish the Eliskni BSB now. :)
- Ragashingo, 2018-06-05, 10:43
- And folks, THIS is the best news all day!
- Oholiab, 2018-06-05, 22:53
- And folks, THIS is the best news all day!
- P.S. I’m gonna quickly finish the Eliskni BSB now. :)
- Holy shit. Looks incredible.
- cheapLEY, 2018-06-05, 10:45
- Destiny 2 - Year 2 Reveal Stream is Live -
bluerunner,
2018-06-05, 10:49
- Destiny 2 - Year 2 Reveal Stream is Live -
cheapLEY,
2018-06-05, 11:01
- Destiny 2 - Year 2 Reveal Stream is Live - bluerunner, 2018-06-05, 11:36
- LOL.
- INSANEdrive, 2018-06-05, 16:05
- I'm honestly surprised ManKitten hasn't said anything...
- MacAddictXIV, 2018-06-06, 06:44
- Word? - ManKitten, 2018-06-06, 18:43
- Destiny 2 - Year 2 Reveal Stream is Live -
cheapLEY,
2018-06-05, 11:01
- My Body Is Ready. -
breitzen,
2018-06-05, 10:54
- Wake me up when it's released.
- MacAddictXIV, 2018-06-05, 10:55
- You mean, when we need you?
- SteelGaribaldi, 2018-06-05, 11:45
- You mean, when we need you?
- Wake me up when it's released.
- Wow! -
Kermit,
2018-06-05, 11:56
- random rolls, though. -
Kermit,
2018-06-05, 11:57
- random rolls, though. -7 for random rolls. -
dogcow,
2018-06-05, 12:41
- My hope: -
EffortlessFury,
2018-06-05, 14:37
- My hope: -
Korny,
2018-06-05, 14:49
- My hope: +1 to each of the above posts. - dogcow, 2018-06-05, 15:02
- My hope: -
Korny,
2018-06-05, 14:49
- My hope: -
EffortlessFury,
2018-06-05, 14:37
- random rolls, though. -7 for random rolls. -
dogcow,
2018-06-05, 12:41
- random rolls, though. -
Kermit,
2018-06-05, 11:57
- My Thoughts: Baby, Don’t Hurt Me. No More. -
INSANEdrive,
2018-06-05, 15:52
- Why do you build me up, buttercup? - Kermit, 2018-06-06, 07:05
- Is Jason Jones a White Sox fan? - Funkmon, 2018-06-05, 17:22
- Eh, nope - Avateur, 2018-06-05, 18:56
- Only thing -
Cody Miller,
2018-06-05, 23:33
- Only thing -
cheapLEY,
2018-06-05, 23:36
- Ever changing raid -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-06-06, 06:50
- Ever changing raid - bluerunner, 2018-06-06, 08:05
- Ever changing raid - Harmanimus, 2018-06-06, 08:14
- Ever changing raid - Ragashingo, 2018-06-06, 10:50
- Ever changing raid -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-06-06, 06:50
- Only thing - Kermit, 2018-06-06, 07:11
- Only thing -
cheapLEY,
2018-06-05, 23:36
- Once again, Skill Up's thoughts are pretty great. -
Korny,
2018-06-06, 08:05
- Once again, Skill Up's thoughts are pretty great. -
cheapLEY,
2018-06-06, 08:39
- Once again, Skill Up's thoughts are pretty great. - MacAddictXIV, 2018-06-06, 09:06
- Once again, Skill Up's thoughts are pretty great. - Korny, 2018-06-06, 09:16
- Once again, Skill Up's thoughts are pretty great. -
Claude Errera,
2018-06-06, 10:50
- +1
- breitzen, 2018-06-06, 10:56
- Once again, Skill Up's thoughts are pretty great. - EffortlessFury, 2018-06-06, 11:06
- Once again, Skill Up's thoughts are pretty great. -
Korny,
2018-06-06, 11:36
- Once again, Skill Up's thoughts are pretty great. -
Claude Errera,
2018-06-06, 11:50
- Once again, Skill Up's thoughts are pretty great. -
Korny,
2018-06-06, 12:49
- Once again, Skill Up's thoughts are pretty great. -
Harmanimus,
2018-06-06, 12:57
- Once again, Skill Up's thoughts are pretty great. -
Korny,
2018-06-06, 13:08
- Once again, Skill Up's thoughts are pretty great. -
Harmanimus,
2018-06-06, 13:23
- Once again, Skill Up's thoughts are pretty great. -
Korny,
2018-06-06, 14:03
- Once again, Skill Up's thoughts are pretty great. - Harmanimus, 2018-06-06, 15:01
- Once again, Skill Up's thoughts are pretty great. -
Korny,
2018-06-06, 14:03
- Once again, Skill Up's thoughts are pretty great. -
Harmanimus,
2018-06-06, 13:23
- Once again, Skill Up's thoughts are pretty great. -
Korny,
2018-06-06, 13:08
- Once again, Skill Up's thoughts are pretty great. -
cheapLEY,
2018-06-06, 13:18
- What quests? What catalysts? -
Kermit,
2018-06-06, 14:59
- What quests? What catalysts? -
cheapLEY,
2018-06-06, 15:11
- What quests? What catalysts? -
Claude Errera,
2018-06-06, 15:59
- What quests? What catalysts? -
cheapLEY,
2018-06-06, 16:07
- What quests? What catalysts? -
Kermit,
2018-06-06, 20:13
- What quests? What catalysts? -
Claude Errera,
2018-06-07, 03:44
- What quests? What catalysts? -
Kermit,
2018-06-07, 05:50
- What quests? What catalysts? -
cheapLEY,
2018-06-07, 06:32
- What quests? What catalysts? - Kermit, 2018-06-07, 08:01
- What quests? What catalysts? -
cheapLEY,
2018-06-07, 06:32
- What quests? What catalysts? -
Kermit,
2018-06-07, 05:50
- What quests? What catalysts? -
Claude Errera,
2018-06-07, 03:44
- What quests? What catalysts? -
Kermit,
2018-06-06, 20:13
- What quests? What catalysts? -
Cody Miller,
2018-06-06, 23:15
- I'll drink to that!
- Claude Errera, 2018-06-07, 03:55
- I'll drink to that!
- What quests? What catalysts? -
cheapLEY,
2018-06-06, 16:07
- What quests? What catalysts? -
Claude Errera,
2018-06-06, 15:59
- What quests? What catalysts? -
cheapLEY,
2018-06-06, 15:11
- What quests? What catalysts? -
Kermit,
2018-06-06, 14:59
- Once again, Skill Up's thoughts are pretty great. -
Harmanimus,
2018-06-06, 12:57
- Once again, Skill Up's thoughts are pretty great. -
Korny,
2018-06-06, 12:49
- Once again, Skill Up's thoughts are pretty great. -
Claude Errera,
2018-06-06, 11:50
- Once again, Skill Up's thoughts are pretty great. -
kidtsunami,
2018-06-06, 11:57
- +1
- Claude Errera, 2018-06-06, 12:01
- +7
- Xenos, 2018-06-06, 12:35
- "Objectively" has become the new "literally" -
Kermit,
2018-06-06, 12:41
- "Objectively" has become the new "literally" - Funkmon, 2018-06-07, 11:08
- Once again, Skill Up's thoughts are pretty great. -
Korny,
2018-06-06, 12:58
- That's definitely up for interpretation -
kidtsunami,
2018-06-06, 13:25
- That's definitely up for interpretation -
Korny,
2018-06-06, 14:15
- That's definitely up for interpretation -
cheapLEY,
2018-06-06, 14:21
- That's definitely up for interpretation -
Korny,
2018-06-06, 14:43
- That's definitely up for interpretation -
cheapLEY,
2018-06-06, 14:46
- That's definitely up for interpretation -
Korny,
2018-06-06, 14:59
- That's definitely up for interpretation -
Claude Errera,
2018-06-06, 16:03
- That's definitely up for interpretation - EffortlessFury, 2018-06-06, 17:00
- That's definitely up for interpretation -
Claude Errera,
2018-06-06, 16:03
- That's definitely up for interpretation -
Korny,
2018-06-06, 14:59
- That's definitely up for interpretation -
Claude Errera,
2018-06-06, 15:53
- Welcome back! :)
- Ragashingo, 2018-06-06, 16:07
- Welcome back! :)
- That's definitely up for interpretation -
cheapLEY,
2018-06-06, 14:46
- That's definitely up for interpretation -
Korny,
2018-06-06, 14:43
- That's definitely up for interpretation -
kidtsunami,
2018-06-06, 14:34
- That's definitely up for interpretation - cheapLEY, 2018-06-06, 14:38
- That's definitely up for interpretation -
Korny,
2018-06-06, 14:56
- You are arguing against a person that doesn't exist - Robot Chickens, 2018-06-06, 16:36
- You keep making the supposition that . . . - Harmanimus, 2018-06-06, 20:11
- That's definitely up for interpretation -
cheapLEY,
2018-06-06, 14:21
- That's definitely up for interpretation -
Korny,
2018-06-06, 14:15
- Once again, Skill Up's thoughts are pretty great. - cheapLEY, 2018-06-06, 13:26
- That's definitely up for interpretation -
kidtsunami,
2018-06-06, 13:25
- +1
- +1
- Once again, Skill Up's thoughts are pretty great. -
Durandal,
2018-06-07, 07:54
- +1
- Kermit, 2018-06-07, 08:31
- +1
- Once again, Skill Up's thoughts are pretty great. -
Cody Miller,
2018-06-06, 10:10
- Annual Pass -
Cody Miller,
2018-06-06, 14:21
- Annual Pass -
Harmanimus,
2018-06-06, 15:04
- Annual Pass -
Claude Errera,
2018-06-06, 16:08
- Annual Pass -
Cody Miller,
2018-06-06, 23:28
- Annual Pass -
Claude Errera,
2018-06-07, 03:27
- Annual Pass -
Cody Miller,
2018-06-07, 08:08
- Annual Pass -
Harmanimus,
2018-06-07, 09:00
- Annual Pass -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-06-07, 09:11
- +1 This - EffortlessFury, 2018-06-07, 10:51
- Annual Pass -
Xenos,
2018-06-07, 10:58
- Annual Pass - Cody Miller, 2018-06-07, 10:59
- Annual Pass - Harmanimus, 2018-06-07, 11:26
- Annual Pass -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-06-07, 09:11
- Annual Pass -
Harmanimus,
2018-06-07, 09:00
- Annual Pass -
Cody Miller,
2018-06-07, 08:08
- Annual Pass -
Claude Errera,
2018-06-07, 03:27
- Annual Pass -
Cody Miller,
2018-06-06, 23:28
- Annual Pass -
Claude Errera,
2018-06-06, 16:08
- Annual Pass -
Harmanimus,
2018-06-06, 15:04
- Annual Pass -
Cody Miller,
2018-06-06, 14:21
- Once again, Skill Up's thoughts are pretty great. -
EffortlessFury,
2018-06-06, 10:22
- Once again, Skill Up's thoughts are pretty great. -
Cody Miller,
2018-06-06, 14:44
- Once again, Skill Up's thoughts are pretty great. - EffortlessFury, 2018-06-06, 14:51
- Once again, Skill Up's thoughts are pretty great. -
Cody Miller,
2018-06-06, 14:44
- Chris Barrett on content available without DLC: - cheapLEY, 2018-06-06, 19:32
- Once again, Skill Up's thoughts are pretty great. -
cheapLEY,
2018-06-06, 08:39