Reply 2
If you care about great games, buy only great ones. Better yet, if you really care, work your way into the business so that you can make the games that you want to play. You might get lucky and have your faith rewarded.
It's not about great or not great, it's about a negative path the industry appears to be taking, harm to the consumer, and diminished gameplay quality. As microtransactions continue, it appears gaming is going to want to head down the alley to grinding. Unpleasant grinding. Grinding that makes you want to purchase your way past said grinding. Games intentionally made not to be fun. Or, from what Cliffy B essentially wrote, games that are games strictly to be a money making tool, not a means of interaction, fun, or delight. Just money. And while the business model is absolutely important, and obviously these studios should want to profit and profit as much as possible, there are clearly many ways to do it and the video game industry has gotten larger and been able to make games that cost so much and are so ambitious because of the industry's previous successes.
I view microtransactions as a step backwards in the industry. A lot of posts in this thread like to focus on microtransactions and their effects on campaign. Many of these points are valid. For the most part they seem to have negative effects on multiplayer, especially in competitive environments, and this also hurts people who are less competitive depending on their own ability to purchase, put in time and effort, or purchase a game at a later date as someone else.
So back to where I started, I guess I don't see how you agree with Cliffy B since you didn't really touch on what he said (which seemed to be nothing but "I want money and I want that money by any means necessary, especially when it works" without actually looking at anything else critically). Your thoughts as a whole, though, were great to read!
(Also, it seems I broke the word count :P)
Complete thread:
- EA Games, Challenge Everything *OT* -
Avateur,
2013-02-27, 12:01
- Who cares? -
bryan newman,
2013-02-27, 12:33
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
Avateur,
2013-02-27, 12:39
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
bryan newman,
2013-02-27, 12:44
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
Avateur,
2013-02-27, 12:51
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
bryan newman,
2013-02-27, 12:58
- Yeah. - UnrealCh13f, 2013-02-27, 13:23
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
bluerunner,
2013-02-27, 13:32
- Was this a feature at launch? -
bryan newman,
2013-02-27, 13:35
- Was this a feature at launch? -
bluerunner,
2013-02-27, 13:59
- So I was half right about BF3. - bryan newman, 2013-02-27, 14:46
- Was this a feature at launch? -
bluerunner,
2013-02-27, 13:59
- Was this a feature at launch? -
bryan newman,
2013-02-27, 13:35
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
bryan newman,
2013-02-27, 12:58
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
uberfoop,
2013-02-27, 13:03
- I will use Dead Space 3 as my example. -
bryan newman,
2013-02-27, 13:19
- I will use Dead Space 3 as my example. - uberfoop, 2013-02-27, 13:27
- I will use Dead Space 3 as my example. -
bryan newman,
2013-02-27, 13:19
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
Cody Miller,
2013-02-27, 14:06
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
Xenos,
2013-02-27, 14:42
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
uberfoop,
2013-02-27, 15:37
- Obviously me, and many, many others - narcogen, 2013-02-28, 23:21
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
Cody Miller,
2013-02-27, 15:53
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
Leisandir,
2013-02-27, 17:21
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
Cody Miller,
2013-02-27, 17:28
- Obviously me, and many, many others - Leisandir, 2013-02-27, 20:47
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
Cody Miller,
2013-02-27, 17:28
- Obviously me, and many, many others - General Vagueness, 2013-03-01, 16:26
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
Leisandir,
2013-02-27, 17:21
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
uberfoop,
2013-02-27, 15:37
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
narcogen,
2013-02-28, 23:19
- YES -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-01, 10:57
- YES - ZackDark, 2013-03-01, 11:15
- YES - mnemesis, 2013-03-01, 12:00
- YES -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-01, 10:57
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
Xenos,
2013-02-27, 14:42
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
iZac,
2013-02-27, 22:08
- Obviously me, and many, many others - bryan newman, 2013-02-28, 02:13
- That game is called Aliens: Colonial Marines. -
Leisandir,
2013-02-28, 04:40
- That game is called Aliens: Colonial Marines. -
iZac,
2013-02-28, 09:08
- That game is called Aliens: Colonial Marines. -
Leisandir,
2013-02-28, 17:27
- That game is called Aliens: Colonial Marines. - iZac, 2013-03-01, 19:42
- That game is called Aliens: Colonial Marines. -
Leisandir,
2013-02-28, 17:27
- That game is called Aliens: Colonial Marines. -
iZac,
2013-02-28, 09:08
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-01, 10:51
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-01, 11:43
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
Xenos,
2013-03-01, 11:45
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-01, 13:14
- Obviously me, and many, many others - ZackDark, 2013-03-01, 13:27
- Wow. That's all I have to say, just wow. - Xenos, 2013-03-01, 13:30
- Yep. You just lost me. - thebruce, 2013-03-01, 14:40
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
General Vagueness,
2013-03-01, 17:27
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
Xenos,
2013-03-01, 17:33
- +1 - Kermit, 2013-03-02, 00:22
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
Xenos,
2013-03-01, 17:33
- "Microtransactions make that possible"? Was that sarcasm? -
Beckx,
2013-03-02, 06:36
- +1 - SonofMacPhisto, 2013-03-02, 07:16
- "Microtransactions make that possible"? Was that sarcasm? -
Anton P. Nym (aka Steve),
2013-03-02, 07:44
- "Microtransactions make that possible"? Was that sarcasm? -
Beckx,
2013-03-02, 07:55
- "Microtransactions make that possible"? Was that sarcasm? -
Anton P. Nym (aka Steve),
2013-03-02, 08:15
- "Microtransactions make that possible"? Was that sarcasm? -
Beckx,
2013-03-02, 08:51
- "Microtransactions make that possible"? Was that sarcasm? -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-02, 15:53
- "Microtransactions make that possible"? Was that sarcasm? -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-02, 22:10
- "Microtransactions make that possible"? Was that sarcasm? -
Kermit,
2013-03-03, 07:55
- "Microtransactions make that possible"? Was that sarcasm? - Mr Daax, 2013-03-05, 20:44
- "Microtransactions make that possible"? Was that sarcasm? -
Kermit,
2013-03-03, 07:55
- "Microtransactions make that possible"? Was that sarcasm? -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-02, 22:10
- "Microtransactions make that possible"? Was that sarcasm? -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-02, 15:53
- "Microtransactions make that possible"? Was that sarcasm? -
Beckx,
2013-03-02, 08:51
- "Microtransactions make that possible"? Was that sarcasm? -
Anton P. Nym (aka Steve),
2013-03-02, 08:15
- "Microtransactions make that possible"? Was that sarcasm? -
Beckx,
2013-03-02, 07:55
- Not defending the business people, defending the developers - Xenos, 2013-03-02, 09:14
- Obviously me, and many, many others - SonofMacPhisto, 2013-03-02, 07:14
- Dude! - Jillybean, 2013-03-02, 10:03
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-01, 13:14
- Obviously me, and many, many others - thebruce, 2013-03-01, 12:03
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-01, 13:11
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-01, 13:28
- Obviously me, and many, many others - Cody Miller, 2013-03-01, 13:43
- Obviously me, and many, many others - Anton P. Nym (aka Steve), 2013-03-02, 07:47
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
Jillybean,
2013-03-02, 10:59
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-02, 15:40
- Obviously me, and many, many others - Jillybean, 2013-03-02, 16:52
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-02, 15:40
- I liked the Library. -
Malagate,
2013-03-01, 13:34
- Not everybody does. I find it relaxing. Best played late. - scarab, 2013-03-03, 11:32
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-01, 13:28
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
Xenos,
2013-03-01, 11:45
- Obviously me, and many, many others - General Vagueness, 2013-03-01, 16:44
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-01, 11:43
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
Avateur,
2013-02-27, 12:51
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
bryan newman,
2013-02-27, 12:44
- Obviously me, and many, many others -
Avateur,
2013-02-27, 12:39
- why Microtransactions, F2P are good for you -
electricpirate,
2013-02-27, 13:31
- LOL -
Cody Miller,
2013-02-27, 14:18
- LOL - kapowaz, 2013-02-27, 14:24
- LOL - electricpirate, 2013-02-27, 16:43
- Insert coin to continue -
Anton P. Nym (aka Steve),
2013-02-28, 19:22
- Insert coin to continue - Jillybean, 2013-03-02, 10:14
- Bars. -
Malagate,
2013-02-27, 14:58
- Bars. -
mnemesis,
2013-02-27, 20:57
- Get the pitchforks -
Leviathan,
2013-02-27, 23:19
- Shenanigans! - Revenant1988, 2013-02-28, 06:36
- Get the pitchforks -
Leviathan,
2013-02-27, 23:19
- Bars. - Cody Miller, 2013-02-28, 09:40
- Bars. -
mnemesis,
2013-02-27, 20:57
- LOL -
Cody Miller,
2013-02-27, 14:18
- EA Games, Challenge Everything *OT* -
petetheduck,
2013-02-28, 09:35
- Could not agree more - kidtsunami, 2013-03-01, 01:07
- Welcome to Paymium models. - Beckx, 2013-02-28, 10:28
- EA Games, Challenge Everything *OT* - SIX min WHISTLE, 2013-02-28, 14:35
- Honestly I think this debate is getting pointless... -
Xenos,
2013-02-28, 19:57
- Honestly I think this debate is getting pointless... - Kalamari, 2013-03-01, 11:24
- Honestly I think this debate is getting pointless... -
Avateur,
2013-03-01, 19:12
- Honestly I think this debate is getting pointless... - Xenos, 2013-03-01, 19:22
- EA Games, Challenge Everything *OT* - Phoenix_9286, 2013-02-28, 20:21
- Apparently Cliffy B really disagrees with me -
Avateur,
2013-03-02, 20:10
- Apparently Cliffy B really disagrees with me -
Kermit,
2013-03-03, 10:02
- Reply 1 -
Avateur,
2013-03-03, 18:55
- Reply 2 - Avateur, 2013-03-03, 18:56
- You forget, Halo: Reach DID have micro-transactions -
RC,
2013-03-04, 07:16
- You forget, Halo: Reach DID have micro-transactions -
kapowaz,
2013-03-04, 07:20
- You forget, Halo: Reach DID have micro-transactions -
Kermit,
2013-03-04, 08:49
- You forget, Halo: Reach DID have micro-transactions - kapowaz, 2013-03-04, 08:55
- You forget, Halo: Reach DID have micro-transactions -
Kermit,
2013-03-04, 08:49
- You forget, Halo: Reach DID have micro-transactions - Avateur, 2013-03-04, 16:53
- You forget, Halo: Reach DID have micro-transactions -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-04, 19:15
- You forget, Halo: Reach DID have micro-transactions - Xenos, 2013-03-04, 19:26
- You forget, Halo: Reach DID have micro-transactions -
kapowaz,
2013-03-04, 07:20
- Apparently Cliffy B really disagrees with me - NsU Soldier, 2013-03-03, 19:29
- Apparently Cliffy B really disagrees with me -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-04, 00:53
- Apparently Cliffy B really disagrees with me - kapowaz, 2013-03-04, 01:49
- Apparently Cliffy B really disagrees with me - thebruce, 2013-03-04, 06:48
- Apparently Cliffy B really disagrees with me - Kermit, 2013-03-04, 16:03
- Reply 1 -
Avateur,
2013-03-03, 18:55
- He absolutely nails it. - kapowaz, 2013-03-03, 23:33
- Apparently Cliffy B really disagrees with me -
Kermit,
2013-03-03, 10:02
- Funny thing about Mirco-transactions (in my experience) -
Revenant1988,
2013-03-04, 10:04
- EA claims that's not what they meant -
Xenos,
2013-03-06, 10:26
- EA claims that's not what they meant - Avateur, 2013-03-06, 10:57
- And they awoke to find it all had been a dream. -
Kermit,
2013-03-06, 11:59
- Or they awoke to find EA backtracking -
Avateur,
2013-03-06, 12:10
- Or they awoke to find EA backtracking -
Kermit,
2013-03-06, 13:03
- Or they awoke to find EA backtracking -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-06, 13:15
- Or they awoke to find EA backtracking - Kermit, 2013-03-06, 13:22
- Or they awoke to find EA backtracking -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-06, 13:15
- Or they awoke to find EA backtracking -
Kermit,
2013-03-06, 13:03
- Or they awoke to find EA backtracking -
Avateur,
2013-03-06, 12:10
- EA claims that's not what they meant -
Xenos,
2013-03-06, 10:26
- Who cares? -
bryan newman,
2013-02-27, 12:33