So let's take a walk, shall we? (Gaming)
Wait, but that's a criticism of the season pass system, not microtransactions. And I don't really disagree with you, but unlock tracks are not microtransactions.
I have to pay $10 to even start the season pass track, and I can buy levels in it. They are absolutely microtransactions.
So you're saying that Destiny contains an element of Pay-to-Win? Because the LL system seems designed in part to thwart that.
No, I'm not disregarding the experience, I'm saying it doesn't change the gameplay. Different things, different motivations for quitting, if that's what you feel you have to do. We can sit down to play chess and you bring a finely-carved, marble set with gold inlay, and I can bring a painted plaster set of dinosaurs, but we're still playing chess, regardless of how ridiculous I look.
You’re saying Destiny would be just as good of all the enemies were grey blobs, all the environments low-poly colorless masses? The gameplay wouldn’t be any different after all.
Now, come on. I gave a simplistic example for brevity's sake. You know that's not what I'm saying. If we were talking solely within the context of custom Crucible games, sure. You're not going to care or be affected by the ornaments I've got on my gear.
Obviously we feel differently. I don’t inherently hater microtransactions. I think they have very clearly and obviously negatively affected the game that Destiny is.
Well, I don't agree, but ultimately we're talking about taste here. Circling back to the original point RE:Disintegration; I think it stands to reason that a fledgling IP that's attempting to innovate on gameplay is taking risks that can be reasonably(albeit only partially) mitigated by allowing for a revenue stream in microtransactions without impacting the core gameplay.
Complete thread:
- Disintegration Beta -
breitzen,
2020-01-15, 12:58
- Good Guy V1 -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-15, 15:03
- Bad Guy V1 -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-22, 14:55
- Bad Guy V1 -
Malagate,
2020-01-23, 06:23
- Bad Guy V1 -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-23, 10:03
- Why don’t we just ignore 90% of the context of the argument? -
Malagate,
2020-01-23, 11:12
- Why don’t we just ignore 90% of the context of the argument? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-23, 14:20
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 07:04
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 07:22
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 08:07
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 08:27
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 08:54
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 09:02
- So let's take a walk, shall we? - Kermit, 2020-01-24, 10:23
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 09:12
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 16:18
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 17:24
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 17:52
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 18:00
- So let's take a walk, shall we? - Kermit, 2020-01-24, 18:40
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 18:00
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 17:52
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 17:24
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 16:18
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 09:02
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 08:57
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 09:07
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 09:26
- So let's take a walk, shall we? - Cody Miller, 2020-01-24, 09:29
- So let's take a walk, shall we? - cheapLEY, 2020-01-24, 09:59
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 09:26
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 09:07
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 08:54
- My favourite argument -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 11:11
- My favourite argument -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 12:34
- Hardly validating -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 12:38
- Hardly validating -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 12:46
- Hardly validating - cheapLEY, 2020-01-24, 13:11
- Hardly validating -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 12:46
- Hardly validating -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 12:38
- My favourite argument -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 12:34
- So let's take a walk, shall we? - Cody Miller, 2020-01-24, 11:20
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 08:27
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 08:07
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 07:42
- So let's take a walk, shall we? - Malagate, 2020-01-24, 08:14
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 08:34
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 09:09
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 10:41
- So let's take a walk, shall we? - Cody Miller, 2020-01-24, 10:51
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 10:41
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 09:09
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 07:22
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 07:04
- Why don’t we just ignore 90% of the context of the argument? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-23, 14:20
- Why don’t we just ignore 90% of the context of the argument? -
Malagate,
2020-01-23, 11:12
- F*ck that noise -
someotherguy,
2020-01-23, 15:35
- F*ck that noise -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-23, 19:19
- F*ck that noise -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-23, 19:44
- F*ck that noise -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-23, 20:34
- Weird assertion that I'm undervaluing art -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 01:59
- Weird assertion that I'm undervaluing art - Harmanimus, 2020-01-24, 10:32
- Weird assertion that I'm undervaluing art -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 01:59
- F*ck that noise -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-23, 20:34
- F*ck that noise -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-23, 20:45
- +1, over and over and over - someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 02:20
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then -
ZackDark,
2020-01-24, 10:31
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 10:43
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 10:51
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then - Cody Miller, 2020-01-24, 10:53
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-24, 10:57
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 11:10
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then - Harmanimus, 2020-01-24, 12:00
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 11:10
- Really? - Claude Errera, 2020-01-24, 14:03
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 10:51
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 10:43
- "Entitlement culture" LOL -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 01:15
- "Entitlement culture" LOL -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-24, 10:45
- The Internet doesn't know what the word "entitled" means -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 10:53
- The Internet doesn't know what the word "entitled" means - Cody Miller, 2020-01-24, 10:54
- The Internet doesn't know what the word "entitled" means -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-24, 11:24
- Wanting or expectimg more is inherently entitled? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 11:39
- Wanting or expectimg more is inherently entitled? -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-24, 13:29
- Seems awfully pessimistic/accusatory - someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 13:38
- Wanting or expectimg more is inherently entitled? -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-24, 13:29
- Wanting or expectimg more is inherently entitled? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 11:39
- The Internet doesn't know what the word "entitled" means -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 10:53
- "Entitlement culture" LOL -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-24, 10:45
- F*ck that noise -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-23, 19:44
- F*ck that noise -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-23, 19:19
- Bad Guy V1 -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-23, 10:03
- Bad Guy V1 -
breitzen,
2020-01-23, 14:49
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
someotherguy,
2020-01-23, 15:37
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
breitzen,
2020-01-23, 16:05
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-23, 16:58
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
ZackDark,
2020-01-23, 17:44
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content - Cody Miller, 2020-01-23, 20:43
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
ZackDark,
2020-01-23, 17:44
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 02:24
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-24, 05:05
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content - cheapLEY, 2020-01-24, 05:37
- Ey. -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 06:38
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 07:50
- Ey. -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 08:17
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 09:26
- Ey. - Malagate, 2020-01-24, 09:41
- Ey. - EffortlessFury, 2020-01-24, 09:44
- Ey. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-24, 14:11
- Ey. -
Schedonnardus,
2020-01-27, 11:41
- Ey. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-27, 12:29
- Ey. - Harmanimus, 2020-01-27, 13:25
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-27, 14:26
- Ey. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-27, 15:16
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-27, 19:13
- Ey. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-27, 19:29
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-27, 19:45
- Ey. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-27, 23:00
- 100% - EffortlessFury, 2020-01-28, 06:45
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-28, 07:29
- ... like... the... seasons... are... right... now...? -
ZackDark,
2020-01-28, 20:15
- No -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 11:47
- That's fair - ZackDark, 2020-01-29, 12:02
- No -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 11:47
- ... like... the... seasons... are... right... now...? -
ZackDark,
2020-01-28, 20:15
- Ey. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-27, 23:00
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-27, 19:45
- Ey. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-27, 19:29
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-27, 19:13
- Ey. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-27, 15:16
- I dont think that's the point Cody was making at all - someotherguy, 2020-01-28, 07:19
- Ey. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-27, 12:29
- Ey. -
Schedonnardus,
2020-01-27, 11:41
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 09:26
- Ey. -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 08:17
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 07:50
- Heavy eyeroll -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 10:43
- Heavy eyeroll -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-24, 11:00
- Heavy eyeroll - cheapLEY, 2020-01-24, 11:02
- Hahahahahaha good one -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 11:06
- Feel free to say that to Marcus Lehto. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-24, 11:28
- Feel free to say that to Marcus Lehto. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-24, 11:30
- Are you... arguing with yourself? - someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 11:41
- Hey, Marcus: -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 11:31
- ^^^ - someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 11:44
- Who? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 11:35
- Who? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 11:46
- Super important context! -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 11:55
- Threads like this -
breitzen,
2020-01-24, 13:50
- Threads like this -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 14:00
- Threads like this -
breitzen,
2020-01-24, 14:12
- I know you meant 'discord'... -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-24, 14:21
- I’m famous at work for my typos! -
breitzen,
2020-01-24, 14:25
- I’m famous at work for my typos! - someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 14:59
- I’m famous at work for my typos! -
breitzen,
2020-01-24, 14:25
- Not your fault -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 14:27
- +1 not your fault - someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 15:00
- Next stop: Melancholia -
Pyromancy,
2020-01-24, 15:40
- Great movie! -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 17:29
- Yeah but it was made by a literal Nazi -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 18:08
- Yeah but it was made by a literal Nazi -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 18:59
- +1 - someotherguy, 2020-01-25, 02:45
- One fan's appreciation -
Kermit,
2020-01-27, 10:43
- One fan's appreciation -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-27, 13:04
- One fan's appreciation - Kermit, 2020-01-27, 14:09
- One fan's appreciation -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-27, 14:21
- One fan's appreciation - Kermit, 2020-01-27, 16:58
- One fan's appreciation -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-27, 13:04
- Yeah but it was made by a literal Nazi -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 18:59
- Yeah but it was made by a literal Nazi -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 18:08
- Great movie! -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 17:29
- I know you meant 'discord'... -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-24, 14:21
- Threads like this -
breitzen,
2020-01-24, 14:12
- Threads like this -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 14:25
- Threads like this -
breitzen,
2020-01-24, 14:28
- Threads like this -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 14:28
- "How about side by side with a friend?" - someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 15:03
- Threads like this -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 14:28
- Threads like this -
breitzen,
2020-01-24, 14:28
- I do want to note - someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 15:02
- Threads like this -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 14:00
- Threads like this -
breitzen,
2020-01-24, 13:50
- Super important context! -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 11:55
- Who? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 11:46
- Feel free to say that to Marcus Lehto. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-24, 11:30
- Feel free to say that to Marcus Lehto. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-24, 11:28
- Heavy eyeroll -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-24, 11:00
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-24, 05:05
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-23, 16:58
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
breitzen,
2020-01-23, 16:05
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
someotherguy,
2020-01-23, 15:37
- Bad Guy V1 -
Malagate,
2020-01-23, 06:23
- Bad Guy V1 -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-22, 14:55
- Disintegration Beta - stabbim, 2020-01-15, 19:18
- Got my Beta Code! -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-27, 09:23
- Got my Beta Code! -
CyberKN,
2020-01-27, 10:34
- Servers are live tomorrow. Just FYI. -
breitzen,
2020-01-27, 14:29
- Thanks! - CyberKN, 2020-01-27, 14:31
- Fingers crossed that not all the beta codes are distributed -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-27, 15:19
- Check again! - ZackDark, 2020-01-28, 03:41
- Servers are live tomorrow. Just FYI. -
breitzen,
2020-01-27, 14:29
- Got my Beta Code! -
CyberKN,
2020-01-27, 10:34
- Didn’t sign up for Disintegration Beta, or didn’t get email? -
Korny,
2020-01-28, 12:17
- Thanks! - cheapLEY, 2020-01-28, 13:48
- Really enjoying it so far - ZackDark, 2020-01-28, 20:18
- I wish I liked it more. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 19:09
- First impressions - Cody Miller, 2020-01-29, 20:55
- So is it just a meh then? - Cody Miller, 2020-02-16, 10:29
- Good Guy V1 -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-15, 15:03