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I understand your reasoning, I just don't agree with it. There are flaws in that your logic makes hard determinations based on assumptions. Maybe I want the convenience of having my fun in enjoying the cosmetics now instead of grinding for them. Is that worth a couple bucks in the right circumstances? Absolutely. Does that make me an idiot by your caluculation? I'd have to assume so. But it describes a perfectly reasonable case that I would guarantee happens, or something akin to that happens, on a regular enough basis that MtX remain a viable revenue stream.
Isn't that exactly the point I was making? You want them now instead of grinding for them. Getting them now by paying is more pleasant than going through the intentionally designed grind. You were put in that situation by the designers. They could have just as easily made all the cosmetics selectable from the beginning. Then you could have them now and pay nothing.
There's nothing there that demands that part of the game be unpleasant whatsoever. I don't know if you've spent any professional time creating and executing test cases, but I have. You can TRY to predict human behavior, but as soon as you begin incorporating assumptions like you have, you start to be wrong.
So then why are frictions added to games? I think you can predict human behavior in aggregate. Maybe not a particular individual, but people are in general quite similar. Otherwise user interfaces or physical design choices would not make sense. If playing the game is pleasant, I see no reason why someone would want to pay extra to not have that pleasantness. I believe that holds true in aggregate, and so do designers. I don't think it's reasonable to deny their psychological effectiveness. That's why we are talking about them after all.
But now you're doing the thing with your tone where you act like your perspective is the only reasonable one to take. Like, either you respect other people and their opinions or you don't; you value being part of the community here or you don't, but I for one don't take kindly to this air you put out like you're some kind of authority and anyone that thinks differently has something wrong with them.
That's not what I mean. If you have a reasonable response to any of the points, there's nothing wrong with you.
You've done a whole lot of it here for a LONG time. And to date you're still here crowing about your logic in refusing to play a game that the rest of us (for the most part, I won't speak for everyone) enjoy as a pasttime. I've never known someone to be so dogged about hanging out at a party and complaining about the music and thanking themself for not listening to such inauthentic drivel on their own time; when the whole point of the party in the first place was to come together to appreciate it.
Disintegration isn't out yet dude how is everyone playing it?
Complete thread:
- Disintegration Beta -
breitzen,
2020-01-15, 12:58
- Good Guy V1 -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-15, 15:03
- Bad Guy V1 -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-22, 14:55
- Bad Guy V1 -
Malagate,
2020-01-23, 06:23
- Bad Guy V1 -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-23, 10:03
- Why don’t we just ignore 90% of the context of the argument?
- Malagate, 2020-01-23, 11:12
- Why don’t we just ignore 90% of the context of the argument? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-23, 14:20
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 07:04
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 07:22
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 08:07
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 08:27
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 08:54
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 09:02
- So let's take a walk, shall we? - Kermit, 2020-01-24, 10:23
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 09:12
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 16:18
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 17:24
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 17:52
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 18:00
- So let's take a walk, shall we? - Kermit, 2020-01-24, 18:40
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 18:00
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 17:52
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 17:24
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 16:18
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 09:02
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 08:57
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 09:07
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 09:26
- So let's take a walk, shall we? - Cody Miller, 2020-01-24, 09:29
- So let's take a walk, shall we? - cheapLEY, 2020-01-24, 09:59
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 09:26
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 09:07
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 08:54
- My favourite argument -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 11:11
- My favourite argument -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 12:34
- Hardly validating -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 12:38
- Hardly validating -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 12:46
- Hardly validating - cheapLEY, 2020-01-24, 13:11
- Hardly validating -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 12:46
- Hardly validating -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 12:38
- My favourite argument -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 12:34
- So let's take a walk, shall we? - Cody Miller, 2020-01-24, 11:20
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 08:27
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 08:07
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 07:42
- So let's take a walk, shall we? - Malagate, 2020-01-24, 08:14
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 08:34
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 09:09
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 10:41
- So let's take a walk, shall we? - Cody Miller, 2020-01-24, 10:51
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 10:41
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 09:09
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 07:22
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 07:04
- Why don’t we just ignore 90% of the context of the argument? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-23, 14:20
- Why don’t we just ignore 90% of the context of the argument?
- F*ck that noise -
someotherguy,
2020-01-23, 15:35
- F*ck that noise -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-23, 19:19
- F*ck that noise -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-23, 19:44
- F*ck that noise -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-23, 20:34
- Weird assertion that I'm undervaluing art -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 01:59
- Weird assertion that I'm undervaluing art - Harmanimus, 2020-01-24, 10:32
- Weird assertion that I'm undervaluing art -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 01:59
- F*ck that noise -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-23, 20:34
- F*ck that noise -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-23, 20:45
- +1, over and over and over
- someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 02:20
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then -
ZackDark,
2020-01-24, 10:31
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 10:43
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 10:51
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then - Cody Miller, 2020-01-24, 10:53
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-24, 10:57
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 11:10
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then - Harmanimus, 2020-01-24, 12:00
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 11:10
- Really? - Claude Errera, 2020-01-24, 14:03
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 10:51
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 10:43
- +1, over and over and over
- "Entitlement culture" LOL
- someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 01:15
- "Entitlement culture" LOL -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-24, 10:45
- The Internet doesn't know what the word "entitled" means -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 10:53
- The Internet doesn't know what the word "entitled" means - Cody Miller, 2020-01-24, 10:54
- The Internet doesn't know what the word "entitled" means -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-24, 11:24
- Wanting or expectimg more is inherently entitled? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 11:39
- Wanting or expectimg more is inherently entitled? -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-24, 13:29
- Seems awfully pessimistic/accusatory - someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 13:38
- Wanting or expectimg more is inherently entitled? -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-24, 13:29
- Wanting or expectimg more is inherently entitled? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 11:39
- The Internet doesn't know what the word "entitled" means -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 10:53
- "Entitlement culture" LOL -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-24, 10:45
- F*ck that noise -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-23, 19:44
- F*ck that noise -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-23, 19:19
- Bad Guy V1 -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-23, 10:03
- Bad Guy V1 -
breitzen,
2020-01-23, 14:49
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
someotherguy,
2020-01-23, 15:37
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
breitzen,
2020-01-23, 16:05
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-23, 16:58
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
ZackDark,
2020-01-23, 17:44
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content - Cody Miller, 2020-01-23, 20:43
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
ZackDark,
2020-01-23, 17:44
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 02:24
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-24, 05:05
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content - cheapLEY, 2020-01-24, 05:37
- Ey. -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 06:38
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 07:50
- Ey. -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 08:17
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 09:26
- Ey. -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 09:41
- Ey. - Cody Miller, 2020-01-24, 09:53
- Ey. - someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 10:49
- Ey. - EffortlessFury, 2020-01-24, 09:44
- Ey. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-24, 14:11
- Ey. -
Schedonnardus,
2020-01-27, 11:41
- Ey. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-27, 12:29
- Ey. - Harmanimus, 2020-01-27, 13:25
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-27, 14:26
- Ey. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-27, 15:16
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-27, 19:13
- Ey. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-27, 19:29
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-27, 19:45
- Ey. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-27, 23:00
- 100% - EffortlessFury, 2020-01-28, 06:45
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-28, 07:29
- ... like... the... seasons... are... right... now...?
- ZackDark, 2020-01-28, 20:15
- No -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 11:47
- That's fair
- ZackDark, 2020-01-29, 12:02
- That's fair
- No -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 11:47
- ... like... the... seasons... are... right... now...?
- Ey. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-27, 23:00
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-27, 19:45
- Ey. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-27, 19:29
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-27, 19:13
- Ey. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-27, 15:16
- I dont think that's the point Cody was making at all - someotherguy, 2020-01-28, 07:19
- Ey. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-27, 12:29
- Ey. -
Schedonnardus,
2020-01-27, 11:41
- Ey. -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 09:41
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 09:26
- Ey. -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 08:17
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 07:50
- Heavy eyeroll -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 10:43
- Heavy eyeroll -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-24, 11:00
- Heavy eyeroll - cheapLEY, 2020-01-24, 11:02
- Hahahahahaha good one -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 11:06
- Feel free to say that to Marcus Lehto.
- EffortlessFury, 2020-01-24, 11:28
- Feel free to say that to Marcus Lehto. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-24, 11:30
- Are you... arguing with yourself? - someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 11:41
- Hey, Marcus: -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 11:31
- ^^^ - someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 11:44
- Who? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 11:35
- Who? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 11:46
- Super important context! -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 11:55
- Threads like this -
breitzen,
2020-01-24, 13:50
- Threads like this -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 14:00
- Threads like this -
breitzen,
2020-01-24, 14:12
- I know you meant 'discord'... -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-24, 14:21
- I’m famous at work for my typos! -
breitzen,
2020-01-24, 14:25
- I’m famous at work for my typos! - someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 14:59
- I’m famous at work for my typos! -
breitzen,
2020-01-24, 14:25
- Not your fault -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 14:27
- +1 not your fault
- someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 15:00
- Next stop: Melancholia
- Pyromancy, 2020-01-24, 15:40
- Great movie!
- Kermit, 2020-01-24, 17:29
- Yeah but it was made by a literal Nazi
- Cody Miller, 2020-01-24, 18:08
- Yeah but it was made by a literal Nazi -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 18:59
- +1
- someotherguy, 2020-01-25, 02:45
- One fan's appreciation -
Kermit,
2020-01-27, 10:43
- One fan's appreciation -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-27, 13:04
- One fan's appreciation - Kermit, 2020-01-27, 14:09
- One fan's appreciation -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-27, 14:21
- One fan's appreciation - Kermit, 2020-01-27, 16:58
- One fan's appreciation -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-27, 13:04
- +1
- Yeah but it was made by a literal Nazi -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 18:59
- Yeah but it was made by a literal Nazi
- Great movie!
- +1 not your fault
- I know you meant 'discord'... -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-24, 14:21
- Threads like this -
breitzen,
2020-01-24, 14:12
- Threads like this -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 14:25
- Threads like this -
breitzen,
2020-01-24, 14:28
- Threads like this -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 14:28
- "How about side by side with a friend?"
- someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 15:03
- "How about side by side with a friend?"
- Threads like this -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 14:28
- Threads like this -
breitzen,
2020-01-24, 14:28
- I do want to note - someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 15:02
- Threads like this -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 14:00
- Threads like this -
breitzen,
2020-01-24, 13:50
- Super important context! -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 11:55
- Who? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 11:46
- Feel free to say that to Marcus Lehto. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-24, 11:30
- Feel free to say that to Marcus Lehto.
- Heavy eyeroll -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-24, 11:00
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-24, 05:05
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-23, 16:58
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
breitzen,
2020-01-23, 16:05
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
someotherguy,
2020-01-23, 15:37
- Bad Guy V1 -
Malagate,
2020-01-23, 06:23
- Bad Guy V1 -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-22, 14:55
- Disintegration Beta - stabbim, 2020-01-15, 19:18
- Got my Beta Code! -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-27, 09:23
- Got my Beta Code! -
CyberKN,
2020-01-27, 10:34
- Servers are live tomorrow. Just FYI. -
breitzen,
2020-01-27, 14:29
- Thanks!
- CyberKN, 2020-01-27, 14:31
- Fingers crossed that not all the beta codes are distributed -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-27, 15:19
- Check again! - ZackDark, 2020-01-28, 03:41
- Thanks!
- Servers are live tomorrow. Just FYI. -
breitzen,
2020-01-27, 14:29
- Got my Beta Code! -
CyberKN,
2020-01-27, 10:34
- Didn’t sign up for Disintegration Beta, or didn’t get email? -
Korny,
2020-01-28, 12:17
- Thanks!
- cheapLEY, 2020-01-28, 13:48
- Thanks!
- Really enjoying it so far - ZackDark, 2020-01-28, 20:18
- I wish I liked it more. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 19:09
- First impressions - Cody Miller, 2020-01-29, 20:55
- So is it just a meh then? - Cody Miller, 2020-02-16, 10:29
- Good Guy V1 -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-15, 15:03