Ey. (Gaming)
All of these arguments ignore that if the base price were higher you would have a smaller player base and less folks would have access to the game at all. You value your access the way you you want it over someone else's ability to access it at all.
This guy gets it.
Yes, because we’ve seen how well making your game as accessible as possible, aka FREE, works out. The logical end point of his argument is freemium, and that’s where this is all the worst.
I'm pretty alright with all the New Light Guardians. Nobody gets a leg up by virtue of how much they spend, so.(PS - you're still doing it. Again. )
I mean dude, you are continuing to assert that micro transactions don’t effect the game. I thought I’d explained this enough in the past that I wouldn’t have to lay it out again but here we go. If you still don’t believe it or see an error in the reasoning, then DO criticize the argument:
For games where cosmetics are available either by earning by playing or purchasing:
1. Buying a cosmetic is therefore paying to avoid having to play the game.
2. People won’t pay to avoid playing a fun game. The whole reason they bought it in the first place was to play it.
3. Therefore the parts they pay to avoid MUST be unpleasant enough to want to pay to skip. We see this all the time: in game currency is slow to earn, your haul is random, etc
4. Therefore these parts of the game MUST be intentionally designed to be unpleasant.
5. With no micro transactions, there is no incentive to make any part of your game purposefully unpleasant.
6. Therefore micro transactions MUST negatively alter the design of the game.
You are welcome to explain where you think the flaw is, and I will listen!
Complete thread:
- Disintegration Beta -
breitzen,
2020-01-15, 12:58
- Good Guy V1 -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-15, 15:03
- Bad Guy V1 -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-22, 14:55
- Bad Guy V1 -
Malagate,
2020-01-23, 06:23
- Bad Guy V1 -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-23, 10:03
- Why don’t we just ignore 90% of the context of the argument? -
Malagate,
2020-01-23, 11:12
- Why don’t we just ignore 90% of the context of the argument? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-23, 14:20
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 07:04
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 07:22
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 08:07
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 08:27
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 08:54
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 09:02
- So let's take a walk, shall we? - Kermit, 2020-01-24, 10:23
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 09:12
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 16:18
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 17:24
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 17:52
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 18:00
- So let's take a walk, shall we? - Kermit, 2020-01-24, 18:40
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 18:00
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 17:52
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 17:24
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 16:18
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 09:02
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 08:57
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 09:07
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 09:26
- So let's take a walk, shall we? - Cody Miller, 2020-01-24, 09:29
- So let's take a walk, shall we? - cheapLEY, 2020-01-24, 09:59
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 09:26
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 09:07
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 08:54
- My favourite argument -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 11:11
- My favourite argument -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 12:34
- Hardly validating -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 12:38
- Hardly validating -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 12:46
- Hardly validating - cheapLEY, 2020-01-24, 13:11
- Hardly validating -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 12:46
- Hardly validating -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 12:38
- My favourite argument -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 12:34
- So let's take a walk, shall we? - Cody Miller, 2020-01-24, 11:20
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 08:27
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 08:07
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 07:42
- So let's take a walk, shall we? - Malagate, 2020-01-24, 08:14
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 08:34
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 09:09
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 10:41
- So let's take a walk, shall we? - Cody Miller, 2020-01-24, 10:51
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 10:41
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 09:09
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 07:22
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 07:04
- Why don’t we just ignore 90% of the context of the argument? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-23, 14:20
- Why don’t we just ignore 90% of the context of the argument? -
Malagate,
2020-01-23, 11:12
- F*ck that noise -
someotherguy,
2020-01-23, 15:35
- F*ck that noise -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-23, 19:19
- F*ck that noise -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-23, 19:44
- F*ck that noise -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-23, 20:34
- Weird assertion that I'm undervaluing art -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 01:59
- Weird assertion that I'm undervaluing art - Harmanimus, 2020-01-24, 10:32
- Weird assertion that I'm undervaluing art -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 01:59
- F*ck that noise -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-23, 20:34
- F*ck that noise -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-23, 20:45
- +1, over and over and over - someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 02:20
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then -
ZackDark,
2020-01-24, 10:31
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 10:43
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 10:51
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then - Cody Miller, 2020-01-24, 10:53
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-24, 10:57
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 11:10
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then - Harmanimus, 2020-01-24, 12:00
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 11:10
- Really? - Claude Errera, 2020-01-24, 14:03
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 10:51
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 10:43
- "Entitlement culture" LOL -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 01:15
- "Entitlement culture" LOL -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-24, 10:45
- The Internet doesn't know what the word "entitled" means -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 10:53
- The Internet doesn't know what the word "entitled" means - Cody Miller, 2020-01-24, 10:54
- The Internet doesn't know what the word "entitled" means -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-24, 11:24
- Wanting or expectimg more is inherently entitled? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 11:39
- Wanting or expectimg more is inherently entitled? -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-24, 13:29
- Seems awfully pessimistic/accusatory - someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 13:38
- Wanting or expectimg more is inherently entitled? -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-24, 13:29
- Wanting or expectimg more is inherently entitled? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 11:39
- The Internet doesn't know what the word "entitled" means -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 10:53
- "Entitlement culture" LOL -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-24, 10:45
- F*ck that noise -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-23, 19:44
- F*ck that noise -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-23, 19:19
- Bad Guy V1 -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-23, 10:03
- Bad Guy V1 -
breitzen,
2020-01-23, 14:49
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
someotherguy,
2020-01-23, 15:37
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
breitzen,
2020-01-23, 16:05
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-23, 16:58
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
ZackDark,
2020-01-23, 17:44
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content - Cody Miller, 2020-01-23, 20:43
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
ZackDark,
2020-01-23, 17:44
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 02:24
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-24, 05:05
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content - cheapLEY, 2020-01-24, 05:37
- Ey. -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 06:38
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 07:50
- Ey. -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 08:17
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 09:26
- Ey. - Malagate, 2020-01-24, 09:41
- Ey. - EffortlessFury, 2020-01-24, 09:44
- Ey. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-24, 14:11
- Ey. -
Schedonnardus,
2020-01-27, 11:41
- Ey. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-27, 12:29
- Ey. - Harmanimus, 2020-01-27, 13:25
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-27, 14:26
- Ey. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-27, 15:16
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-27, 19:13
- Ey. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-27, 19:29
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-27, 19:45
- Ey. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-27, 23:00
- 100% - EffortlessFury, 2020-01-28, 06:45
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-28, 07:29
- ... like... the... seasons... are... right... now...? -
ZackDark,
2020-01-28, 20:15
- No -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 11:47
- That's fair - ZackDark, 2020-01-29, 12:02
- No -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 11:47
- ... like... the... seasons... are... right... now...? -
ZackDark,
2020-01-28, 20:15
- Ey. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-27, 23:00
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-27, 19:45
- Ey. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-27, 19:29
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-27, 19:13
- Ey. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-27, 15:16
- I dont think that's the point Cody was making at all - someotherguy, 2020-01-28, 07:19
- Ey. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-27, 12:29
- Ey. -
Schedonnardus,
2020-01-27, 11:41
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 09:26
- Ey. -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 08:17
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 07:50
- Heavy eyeroll -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 10:43
- Heavy eyeroll -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-24, 11:00
- Heavy eyeroll - cheapLEY, 2020-01-24, 11:02
- Hahahahahaha good one -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 11:06
- Feel free to say that to Marcus Lehto. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-24, 11:28
- Feel free to say that to Marcus Lehto. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-24, 11:30
- Are you... arguing with yourself? - someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 11:41
- Hey, Marcus: -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 11:31
- ^^^ - someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 11:44
- Who? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 11:35
- Who? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 11:46
- Super important context! -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 11:55
- Threads like this -
breitzen,
2020-01-24, 13:50
- Threads like this -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 14:00
- Threads like this -
breitzen,
2020-01-24, 14:12
- I know you meant 'discord'... -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-24, 14:21
- I’m famous at work for my typos! -
breitzen,
2020-01-24, 14:25
- I’m famous at work for my typos! - someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 14:59
- I’m famous at work for my typos! -
breitzen,
2020-01-24, 14:25
- Not your fault -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 14:27
- +1 not your fault - someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 15:00
- Next stop: Melancholia -
Pyromancy,
2020-01-24, 15:40
- Great movie! -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 17:29
- Yeah but it was made by a literal Nazi -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 18:08
- Yeah but it was made by a literal Nazi -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 18:59
- +1 - someotherguy, 2020-01-25, 02:45
- One fan's appreciation -
Kermit,
2020-01-27, 10:43
- One fan's appreciation -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-27, 13:04
- One fan's appreciation - Kermit, 2020-01-27, 14:09
- One fan's appreciation -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-27, 14:21
- One fan's appreciation - Kermit, 2020-01-27, 16:58
- One fan's appreciation -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-27, 13:04
- Yeah but it was made by a literal Nazi -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 18:59
- Yeah but it was made by a literal Nazi -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 18:08
- Great movie! -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 17:29
- I know you meant 'discord'... -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-24, 14:21
- Threads like this -
breitzen,
2020-01-24, 14:12
- Threads like this -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 14:25
- Threads like this -
breitzen,
2020-01-24, 14:28
- Threads like this -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 14:28
- "How about side by side with a friend?" - someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 15:03
- Threads like this -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 14:28
- Threads like this -
breitzen,
2020-01-24, 14:28
- I do want to note - someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 15:02
- Threads like this -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 14:00
- Threads like this -
breitzen,
2020-01-24, 13:50
- Super important context! -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 11:55
- Who? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 11:46
- Feel free to say that to Marcus Lehto. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-24, 11:30
- Feel free to say that to Marcus Lehto. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-24, 11:28
- Heavy eyeroll -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-24, 11:00
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-24, 05:05
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-23, 16:58
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
breitzen,
2020-01-23, 16:05
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
someotherguy,
2020-01-23, 15:37
- Bad Guy V1 -
Malagate,
2020-01-23, 06:23
- Bad Guy V1 -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-22, 14:55
- Disintegration Beta - stabbim, 2020-01-15, 19:18
- Got my Beta Code! -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-27, 09:23
- Got my Beta Code! -
CyberKN,
2020-01-27, 10:34
- Servers are live tomorrow. Just FYI. -
breitzen,
2020-01-27, 14:29
- Thanks! - CyberKN, 2020-01-27, 14:31
- Fingers crossed that not all the beta codes are distributed -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-27, 15:19
- Check again! - ZackDark, 2020-01-28, 03:41
- Servers are live tomorrow. Just FYI. -
breitzen,
2020-01-27, 14:29
- Got my Beta Code! -
CyberKN,
2020-01-27, 10:34
- Didn’t sign up for Disintegration Beta, or didn’t get email? -
Korny,
2020-01-28, 12:17
- Thanks! - cheapLEY, 2020-01-28, 13:48
- Really enjoying it so far - ZackDark, 2020-01-28, 20:18
- I wish I liked it more. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 19:09
- First impressions - Cody Miller, 2020-01-29, 20:55
- So is it just a meh then? - Cody Miller, 2020-02-16, 10:29
- Good Guy V1 -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-15, 15:03