When death is of no consequence, there is no challenge. (Destiny)
Reasoning and responding with incomplete information is a common element to games. E.g. you can't see the location of all the players at all times either but, you make a best guess and act anyway.
It isn't incomplete information with supers, though. It's none.
With your example, players can master reading the radar to very accurately predict where a foe will be (I guess this only half applies to Destiny, what with the weird innacurate radar it has). A good player can know the exact location of all players near them.
If supers were more predictable and consistent, a good player could learn to accurately predict when his opponent's super had charged.
Largely because it was a good game with matchmaking features that were head and shoulders above the competition. Halo 2 and 3 were absolutely stand-out for their time. By the time Reach came, other games had caught up and began exploring other elements as well.
Doubt this one very much. Four years later, and there still aren't any other console games to match Reach's featureset. I've seen theater mode in a few places, but nothing compares to Reach.
Yes, the clue is in the names: in one you fight AI, one you fight other people.
I can't tell if you're trying to be a smartass here...
Once you start saying it's OK to change mechanics from one mode to another, then you essentially start building 2 different (closely related) games. I can tell you from personal experience it's incredibly frustrating to get good at campaign, then feel like you have to start over from zero in multiplayer. One of the things I liked about Halo was that many of the skills I learned in campaign were applicable to MP.
Many, but not all. There are things that work in campaign that are broken in multi. I don't think small changes like what I suggested are going to throw anyone off, and nobody would feel cheated.
The goal should always be to provide the best experience in either mode. They work so differently, that you can't give them all of the same mechanics without one suffering. Nobody will mind if both modes are excellent, yet a little different. Having them tailored to work for themselves just makes sense.
You will be tripping over dozens of pieces that are roughly equivalent as you play PvE, and having them shoved into your pockets as end-of-level rewards in all modes.
It's up to random fate what loot you get, is the point. That'll lead to a lot of unfairness and imbalance. This one is pretty much inarguable.
Complete thread:
- When death is of little consequence -
RC,
2014-08-10, 08:32
- When death is of little consequence -
Ragashingo,
2014-08-10, 09:19
- When death is of little consequence -
RC,
2014-08-10, 12:49
- When death is of little consequence - Ragashingo, 2014-08-10, 14:52
- When death is of little consequence -
RC,
2014-08-10, 12:49
- When death is of little consequence -
Cody Miller,
2014-08-10, 09:35
- When death is of little consequence - Ragashingo, 2014-08-10, 09:38
- I quite liked that suggestion - ZackDark, 2014-08-10, 09:47
- Maybe Nightfall Strikes? - RC, 2014-08-10, 10:08
- When death is of little consequence -
kapowaz,
2014-08-10, 10:14
- Maybe tiered rewards at failure? -
ZackDark,
2014-08-10, 10:24
- Maybe tiered rewards at failure? -
DaDerga,
2014-08-10, 10:33
- Pretty much - ZackDark, 2014-08-10, 10:45
- Maybe tiered rewards at failure? -
Cody Miller,
2014-08-10, 10:48
- Maybe tiered rewards at failure? - DaDerga, 2014-08-10, 10:52
- Maybe tiered rewards at failure? -
Avateur,
2014-08-10, 10:56
- Maybe tiered rewards at failure? - Ragashingo, 2014-08-10, 11:18
- Maybe tiered rewards at failure? - Phoenix_9286, 2014-08-10, 11:20
- Maybe tiered rewards at failure? - INSANEdrive, 2014-08-10, 14:51
- Yep - Got a bronze Haha - Blue_Blazer_NZ, 2014-08-10, 15:49
- A variation on this idea... - kapowaz, 2014-08-10, 12:01
- Maybe tiered rewards at failure? -
DaDerga,
2014-08-10, 10:33
- Alternative -
Cody Miller,
2014-08-10, 15:51
- I agree - Blue_Blazer_NZ, 2014-08-10, 16:02
- Alternative - DaDerga, 2014-08-10, 16:55
- It'd kill matchmaking -
ZackDark,
2014-08-10, 17:00
- It'd kill matchmaking -
petetheduck,
2014-08-10, 17:26
- It'd kill matchmaking - Ragashingo, 2014-08-10, 17:43
- It'd kill matchmaking - stabbim, 2014-08-12, 21:24
- It'd kill matchmaking - Cody Miller, 2014-08-10, 20:13
- It'd kill matchmaking - kapowaz, 2014-08-11, 01:08
- It'd kill matchmaking -
petetheduck,
2014-08-10, 17:26
- Alternative - kapowaz, 2014-08-11, 01:04
- Alternative - electricpirate, 2014-08-13, 08:02
- Maybe tiered rewards at failure? -
ZackDark,
2014-08-10, 10:24
- When death is of little consequence - Speedracer513, 2014-08-10, 11:09
- When death is of no consequence, there is no challenge. -
Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316),
2014-08-10, 18:35
- Where life had no value, death, sometimes, had its price. - uberfoop, 2014-08-10, 18:40
- When death is of no consequence, there is no challenge. -
RC,
2014-08-10, 19:54
- When death is of no consequence, there is no challenge. -
Ragashingo,
2014-08-10, 20:20
- When death is of no consequence, there is no challenge. -
INSANEdrive,
2014-08-10, 20:23
- That's very possible. -
Ragashingo,
2014-08-10, 20:32
- That's very possible. - Xenos, 2014-08-10, 21:41
- That's very possible. -
Ragashingo,
2014-08-10, 20:32
- When death is of no consequence, there is no challenge. - Speedracer513, 2014-08-10, 22:14
- When death is of no consequence, there is no challenge. -
INSANEdrive,
2014-08-10, 20:23
- When death is of no consequence, there is no challenge. - INSANEdrive, 2014-08-10, 20:22
- When death is of no consequence, there is no challenge. -
Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316),
2014-08-10, 21:35
- When death is of no consequence, there is no challenge. -
Cody Miller,
2014-08-10, 21:53
- When death is of no consequence, there is no challenge. - bluerunner, 2014-08-11, 11:01
- When death is of no consequence, there is no challenge. -
Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316),
2014-08-11, 17:44
- Eh -
ZackDark,
2014-08-11, 18:08
- Eh -
Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316),
2014-08-11, 18:58
- Eh -
ZackDark,
2014-08-12, 00:37
- Eh -
Speedracer513,
2014-08-12, 11:20
- True enough -
ZackDark,
2014-08-12, 12:29
- ... - Ragashingo, 2014-08-12, 12:36
- True enough -
Speedracer513,
2014-08-12, 12:52
- Why, thank you - ZackDark, 2014-08-12, 13:00
- True enough -
ZackDark,
2014-08-12, 12:29
- Eh -
Speedracer513,
2014-08-12, 11:20
- Eh -
ZackDark,
2014-08-12, 00:37
- Eh -
Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316),
2014-08-11, 18:58
- Eh -
ZackDark,
2014-08-11, 18:08
- When death is of no consequence, there is no challenge. -
RC,
2014-08-12, 13:53
- When death is of no consequence, there is no challenge. -
Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316),
2014-08-12, 17:47
- When death is of no consequence, there is no challenge. -
Ragashingo,
2014-08-12, 18:52
- When death is of no consequence, there is no challenge. -
Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316),
2014-08-12, 21:09
- When death is of no consequence, there is no challenge. -
Claude Errera,
2014-08-13, 22:34
- When death is of no consequence, there is no challenge. - Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316), 2014-08-13, 22:55
- When death is of no consequence, there is no challenge. -
Cody Miller,
2014-08-13, 23:37
- When death is of no consequence, there is no challenge. - uberfoop, 2014-08-13, 23:48
- When death is of no consequence, there is no challenge. -
Claude Errera,
2014-08-13, 22:34
- When death is of no consequence, there is no challenge. -
Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316),
2014-08-12, 21:09
- When death is of no consequence, there is no challenge. -
Claude Errera,
2014-08-12, 18:58
- When death is of no consequence, there is no challenge. - Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316), 2014-08-12, 20:44
- When death is of no consequence, there is no challenge. - RC, 2014-08-13, 11:06
- When death is of no consequence, there is no challenge. -
Ragashingo,
2014-08-12, 18:52
- When death is of no consequence, there is no challenge. -
Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316),
2014-08-12, 17:47
- When death is of no consequence, there is no challenge. -
Cody Miller,
2014-08-10, 21:53
- When death is of no consequence, there is no challenge. -
Ragashingo,
2014-08-10, 20:20
- I can't believe I'm reading these words. -
Bones,
2014-08-10, 18:49
- I can't believe I'm reading these words. -
Blue_Blazer_NZ,
2014-08-10, 19:34
- I can't believe I'm reading these words. - ZackDark, 2014-08-11, 03:53
- I can't believe I'm reading these words. -
Cody Miller,
2014-08-10, 20:20
- I can't believe I'm reading these words. -
Avateur,
2014-08-10, 20:37
- Vidmasters -
yakaman,
2014-08-12, 09:56
- Vidmasters - Cody Miller, 2014-08-12, 12:32
- Vidmasters -
yakaman,
2014-08-12, 09:56
- I can't believe I'm reading these words. - DEEP_NNN, 2014-08-10, 21:03
- I can't believe I'm reading these words. -
Avateur,
2014-08-10, 20:37
- I can't believe I'm reading these words. - Avateur, 2014-08-10, 20:39
- I can't believe I'm reading these words. -
Blue_Blazer_NZ,
2014-08-10, 19:34
- When death is of little consequence -
Kalamari,
2014-08-10, 19:00
- When death is of little consequence -
Ragashingo,
2014-08-10, 19:16
- When death is of little consequence -
Avateur,
2014-08-10, 20:42
- When death is of little consequence -
Ragashingo,
2014-08-10, 21:36
- When death is of little consequence -
Avateur,
2014-08-10, 22:21
- When death is of little consequence - Ragashingo, 2014-08-12, 16:05
- When death is of little consequence - RC, 2014-08-12, 16:54
- When death is of little consequence -
Avateur,
2014-08-10, 22:21
- When death is of little consequence -
stabbim,
2014-08-13, 13:25
- When death is of little consequence - Avateur, 2014-08-13, 16:37
- When death is of little consequence -
Ragashingo,
2014-08-10, 21:36
- When death is of little consequence -
kapowaz,
2014-08-11, 09:03
- When death is of little consequence - kapowaz, 2014-08-11, 09:04
- When death is of little consequence -
Avateur,
2014-08-10, 20:42
- When death is of little consequence -
Ragashingo,
2014-08-10, 19:16
- Needs Iron skull with appropriate loot. - Numinar, 2014-08-11, 01:27
- Has no one considered... -
Malagate,
2014-08-11, 06:29
- And Bounties -
kidtsunami,
2014-08-11, 06:33
- And Bounties -
Malagate,
2014-08-11, 06:46
- The Day 1 Invasion of Whinging Will Overwhelm - kidtsunami, 2014-08-11, 06:58
- And Bounties -
bluerunner,
2014-08-11, 08:01
- And Bounties - Malagate, 2014-08-11, 12:26
- And Bounties -
INSANEdrive,
2014-08-11, 07:52
- Yeah, got the 9000XP without dying one a few times - kidtsunami, 2014-08-11, 08:07
- No! Destiny must pound more nails into our dicks! -
Anton P. Nym (aka Steve),
2014-08-11, 08:08
- Geez, dude. -
Kermit,
2014-08-11, 08:35
- Penny Arcade reference. -
kapowaz,
2014-08-11, 08:56
- I miss Duke controllers. -
bluerunner,
2014-08-11, 09:49
- Seconded. - INSANEdrive, 2014-08-11, 10:44
- Nope. They made me miss white and black everytime... - ZackDark, 2014-08-11, 14:47
- Okay. - Kermit, 2014-08-11, 10:22
- Forgot it was Halo they were playing, TBH - Anton P. Nym (aka Steve), 2014-08-11, 14:25
- I miss Duke controllers. -
bluerunner,
2014-08-11, 09:49
- Penny Arcade reference. -
kapowaz,
2014-08-11, 08:56
- No! Destiny must pound more nails into our dicks! - Avateur, 2014-08-11, 17:44
- Geez, dude. -
Kermit,
2014-08-11, 08:35
- And Bounties -
Malagate,
2014-08-11, 06:46
- And Bounties -
kidtsunami,
2014-08-11, 06:33
- When death is of little consequence -
Ragashingo,
2014-08-10, 09:19