I Just Want To Say. (Destiny)
And? What did your complaining accomplish?
Other than complain, what did you actually do? What will you do now? If this is the line in the sand, what will you do now that they’ve crossed it?
This isn’t the rest of it’s saying you should have been louder, this is the rest of us saying that it didn’t matter then and doesn’t matter any more now.
EDIT: I don’t speak for anyone else, so let me change that—this is ME saying it doesn’t matter.
So now let me say, genuinely, “who cares?” Because it sure seems like the answer is basically no one, or if they do, they don’t care enough to actually do anything about it, which amounts to the same thing.
There is one small matter in this post I'd like to point out for a second. I've been reading all the posts in this thread and I agree it should stop, since it's gotten a little too big. Sorry Wu, I know you said that you want the arguing to end—I'm not trying to spread any flames here, and I promise I won't post in this thread again...unless someone asks me about food.
The question 'what did you actually do' is one that can't really be answered. Technically, there isn't anything we as the public can do otherwise, even in large numbers. We can write a letter or e-mail, but no matter how nice or civil the containing words are, it's basically the same as a complaint. Either way, it'll drown in fan mail, UN-civil complaints, and death threats. We can't really boycott a newly free game which already has millions of players, old, new, and old-new. Online petitions? Just a list of names. Redundantly, we also can't threaten or attack Bungie either.
Though I do believe Luke Smith deserves at least one slap to the face--open palm or backhanded, dealer's choice.
Frankly, complaining is our second strongest weapon. Boycotting is the strongest, but it would take millions to pull that off. And even though some have backed up their bluffs, I have seen a good number of "Trials or Die" fanatics begrudgingly muttering their way back online over the years.
Even then, complaining is a risk in its own. I've literally lost track of all the times Bungie Sonic Adventure 2'ed us. So while I'm not personally a fan of microtransactions/pay to win, etc. I still think feedback is, if nothing else, a place to speak your mind and maybe just maybe get the ball rolling.
Complete thread:
- Ugh, you can now buy SUROS Regime with real money -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 12:37
- Ugh, you can now buy SUROS Regime with real money -
squidnh3,
2020-01-29, 13:23
- Bit reductive and you know it -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 13:42
- Bit reductive and you know it -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-29, 13:54
- Bit reductive and you know it -
narcogen,
2020-01-30, 12:14
- Based on this thread and the reddit post... - someotherguy, 2020-01-30, 12:16
- Bit reductive and you know it -
narcogen,
2020-01-30, 12:14
- Who cares? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 14:34
- Who cares? - stabbim, 2020-01-29, 14:40
- Who cares? -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-29, 15:01
- Who cares? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 15:06
- You said "Who cares?" Plenty of people care. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-29, 15:47
- But cheapLEY doesn't. Therefore nor should we -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 15:51
- Take that shit somewhere else. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 16:51
- I'm sorry, was that not the Tl;Dr of your aggressive apathy? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 16:53
- No. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 17:18
- Words Mean Things -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 17:24
- Words Mean Things -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 17:33
- They're both dismissive, only one is valid. - EffortlessFury, 2020-01-29, 17:41
- Words Mean Things -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 17:33
- Words Mean Things -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 17:24
- No. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 17:18
- I'm sorry, was that not the Tl;Dr of your aggressive apathy? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 16:53
- Take that shit somewhere else. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 16:51
- But cheapLEY doesn't. Therefore nor should we -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 15:51
- Who cares? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 15:55
- Who cares? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-29, 22:15
- Someone will -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 04:56
- Where are you getting that? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 10:45
- Where are you getting that? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 11:49
- Where are you getting that? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 12:01
- Where are you getting that? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 12:10
- Where are you getting that? - Harmanimus, 2020-01-30, 13:08
- Where are you getting that? -
narcogen,
2020-01-30, 12:24
- Where are you getting that? -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-30, 13:17
- Hold Up -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:20
- Hold Up -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-31, 02:06
- I'll stop getting angry about it when they stop doing it - someotherguy, 2020-01-31, 02:44
- Hold Up -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-31, 02:06
- Hold Up -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:20
- Where are you getting that? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 13:51
- Where are you getting that? -
Kermit,
2020-01-30, 14:42
- Where are you getting that? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 15:25
- X Doubt -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:26
- X Doubt -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 15:30
- X Doubt -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:34
- X Doubt -
marmot 1333,
2020-01-31, 10:23
- That's sort of my point - someotherguy, 2020-01-31, 10:37
- X Doubt -
marmot 1333,
2020-01-31, 10:23
- X Doubt -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:34
- X Doubt -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 15:30
- X Doubt -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:26
- Where are you getting that? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 15:25
- Where are you getting that? -
Kermit,
2020-01-30, 14:42
- Where are you getting that? -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-30, 13:17
- Where are you getting that? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 12:10
- Where are you getting that? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 12:01
- Where are you getting that? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 11:49
- Where are you getting that? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 10:45
- Who cares? -
narcogen,
2020-01-30, 12:17
- Who cares? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 13:52
- Lemme fix that for you -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:25
- Lemme fix that for you -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 15:28
- Not really how words work, is it -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:33
- Addendum -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:37
- Addendum -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 15:39
- Addendum -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:46
- Addendum - narcogen, 2020-01-30, 18:17
- Not the least bit unfair. -
narcogen,
2020-01-30, 18:14
- Not the least bit unfair. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-30, 18:52
- Not sarcasm - someotherguy, 2020-01-31, 01:06
- Oh its a Trump thing. -
someotherguy,
2020-01-31, 02:47
- Replied to wrong parent post. RIP. - someotherguy, 2020-01-31, 05:39
- Being a jerk. -
narcogen,
2020-01-31, 09:04
- Thanks for voicing your (and my) thoughts succinctly -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-31, 09:12
- +1 - someotherguy, 2020-01-31, 09:20
- Being a jerk. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-31, 09:33
- Being a jerk. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-31, 09:51
- Being a jerk. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-31, 10:01
- Being a jerk. -
someotherguy,
2020-01-31, 10:41
- Being a jerk. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-31, 10:54
- Being a jerk. - someotherguy, 2020-01-31, 13:42
- Being a jerk. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-31, 10:54
- Being a jerk. -
someotherguy,
2020-01-31, 10:41
- Being a jerk. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-31, 10:01
- Being a jerk. -
narcogen,
2020-02-01, 08:42
- Being a jerk. -
cheapLEY,
2020-02-01, 09:43
- Being a jerk. -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-01, 10:14
- Being a jerk. -
narcogen,
2020-02-02, 07:59
- Being a jerk. -
Korny,
2020-02-02, 08:22
- "Narc is reading too much into it" *conjures 3 paragraphs* - someotherguy, 2020-02-02, 09:10
- Being a jerk. - cheapLEY, 2020-02-02, 09:15
- Being a jerk. -
narcogen,
2020-02-03, 08:18
- Being a jerk. -
someotherguy,
2020-02-03, 09:12
- Being a jerk. -
cheapLEY,
2020-02-03, 14:57
- Being a jerk. -
someotherguy,
2020-02-03, 15:49
- Being a jerk. -
Claude Errera,
2020-02-03, 16:29
- Being a jerk. - Korny, 2020-02-03, 18:08
- Y'all goin' to make Wu turn this car around. - INSANEdrive, 2020-02-03, 18:29
- Being a jerk. - someotherguy, 2020-02-03, 23:12
- The Last Word - narcogen, 2020-02-04, 08:30
- Being a jerk. -
Claude Errera,
2020-02-03, 16:29
- I Just Want To Say. - Morpheus, 2020-02-03, 21:20
- In retrospect, I was not being a jerk -
narcogen,
2020-02-04, 08:19
- In retrospect, I was not being a jerk -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-04, 08:44
- In retrospect, I was not being a jerk - narcogen, 2020-02-07, 07:47
- ::sigh:: -
Claude Errera,
2020-02-04, 08:50
- ::sigh:: -
Korny,
2020-02-04, 09:44
- ::sigh:: - cheapLEY, 2020-02-04, 10:01
- I was trying to avoid the C-word - someotherguy, 2020-02-04, 11:16
- Speaking of overly sensitive - someotherguy, 2020-02-04, 11:19
- ::sigh:: - INSANEdrive, 2020-02-04, 12:25
- 40 posts late and $1 short - narcogen, 2020-02-07, 08:18
- ::sigh:: -
Korny,
2020-02-04, 09:44
- In retrospect, I was not being a jerk -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-04, 08:44
- Being a jerk. -
someotherguy,
2020-02-03, 15:49
- Being a jerk. -
cheapLEY,
2020-02-03, 14:57
- Being a jerk. -
someotherguy,
2020-02-03, 09:12
- Being a jerk. -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-02, 09:55
- Being a jerk. - narcogen, 2020-02-03, 08:23
- Who cares? -
cheapLEY,
2020-02-02, 12:07
- Technical foul - Cody Miller, 2020-02-02, 12:31
- Being a jerk. -
Korny,
2020-02-02, 08:22
- Being a jerk. -
narcogen,
2020-02-02, 07:59
- Being a jerk. -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-01, 10:14
- Being a jerk. -
cheapLEY,
2020-02-01, 09:43
- Being a jerk. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-31, 09:51
- Thanks for voicing your (and my) thoughts succinctly -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-31, 09:12
- Not the least bit unfair. - Cody Miller, 2020-01-30, 19:10
- Not the least bit unfair. - EffortlessFury, 2020-01-30, 19:36
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Kermit,
2020-01-31, 09:50
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-31, 10:38
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Kermit,
2020-01-31, 11:36
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-31, 13:35
- Not the least bit unfair. - Kermit, 2020-01-31, 17:51
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-31, 13:35
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Kermit,
2020-01-31, 11:36
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Vortech,
2020-01-31, 17:59
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-31, 19:10
- The place where design gets compromised . . . -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-31, 20:24
- Disagree -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-31, 21:03
- Examples? - Claude Errera, 2020-01-31, 21:36
- Halo 2 called, it wants its final third back. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-02-01, 03:13
- Those are often time constraints too -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 03:27
- Those are often time constraints too -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-01, 07:51
- Try reading that again -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 09:35
- Try reading that again -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-01, 10:13
- Try reading that again -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 10:43
- Try reading that again - Cody Miller, 2020-02-01, 12:49
- Try reading that again -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 10:43
- Try reading that again -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-01, 10:13
- Try reading that again -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 09:35
- Those are often time constraints too -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-01, 07:51
- I noticed you ignored my counterexample. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-02-02, 10:17
- I noticed you ignored my counterexample. -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-02, 12:25
- Could fund more dev time. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-02-02, 14:15
- WTF are you talking about -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-02, 15:13
- WTF are you talking about -
cheapLEY,
2020-02-02, 15:28
- WTF are you talking about -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-02, 15:42
- WTF are you talking about -
ZackDark,
2020-02-02, 20:05
- WTF are you talking about - Cody Miller, 2020-02-02, 21:55
- WTF are you talking about -
ZackDark,
2020-02-02, 20:05
- WTF are you talking about -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-02, 15:42
- WTF are you talking about -
cheapLEY,
2020-02-02, 15:28
- WTF are you talking about -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-02, 15:13
- Could fund more dev time. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-02-02, 14:15
- I noticed you ignored my counterexample. - someotherguy, 2020-02-02, 15:16
- I noticed you ignored my counterexample. -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-02, 12:25
- Those are often time constraints too -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 03:27
- To quote Claude- Examples? -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 02:03
- Any game with a cool feature cut “for time” ever. -
Harmanimus,
2020-02-01, 02:46
- Time is a fictional construct in this example? -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 02:57
- To the same extent as money. -
Harmanimus,
2020-02-01, 16:35
- I have literally no idea what point you're making - someotherguy, 2020-02-01, 16:42
- To the same extent as money. -
Harmanimus,
2020-02-01, 16:35
- Time is a fictional construct in this example? -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 02:57
- Any game with a cool feature cut “for time” ever. -
Harmanimus,
2020-02-01, 02:46
- Disagree -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-31, 21:03
- The place where design gets compromised . . . -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-31, 20:24
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-31, 19:10
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-31, 10:38
- Not the least bit unfair. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-30, 18:52
- Addendum -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:46
- Addendum -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 15:39
- Addendum -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:37
- Lemme fix that for you - cheapLEY, 2020-01-30, 15:42
- Not really how words work, is it -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:33
- Lemme fix that for you -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 15:28
- Lemme fix that for you -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:25
- Who cares? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 13:52
- Someone will -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 04:56
- Who cares? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-29, 22:15
- You said "Who cares?" Plenty of people care. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-29, 15:47
- Who cares? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 15:06
- This old chestnut again -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 15:49
- This old chestnut again -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 16:24
- This old chestnut again -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 16:54
- This old chestnut again -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 17:19
- This old chestnut again -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 17:35
- This old chestnut again -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 17:45
- *thinking emoji* - someotherguy, 2020-01-29, 17:55
- This old chestnut again -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 17:45
- This old chestnut again -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 17:35
- This old chestnut again -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 17:19
- This old chestnut again -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 16:54
- This old chestnut again -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 16:24
- Speaking of reductive… -
Vortech,
2020-01-31, 14:52
- Speaking of reductive… - someotherguy, 2020-02-01, 02:01
- Bit reductive and you know it -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-29, 13:54
- Bit reductive and you know it -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 13:42
- Ugh, you can now buy SUROS Regime with real money -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-29, 16:41
- Sigh, see previous post about moving goalposts -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 16:53
- I only answered your question. -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-29, 17:18
- I only answered your question. -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 17:27
- I only answered your question. -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-29, 20:37
- Fair Enough -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 04:54
- Fair Enough -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-30, 06:58
- Fair Enough - Harmanimus, 2020-01-30, 08:01
- Fair Enough -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 11:55
- Fair Enough - Claude Errera, 2020-01-30, 12:05
- Fair Enough -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-30, 06:58
- Fair Enough -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 04:54
- I only answered your question. -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-29, 20:37
- I only answered your question. -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 17:27
- Sigh, see previous post about moving goalposts - Cody Miller, 2020-01-29, 18:59
- I only answered your question. -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-29, 17:18
- this^ - Kermit, 2020-01-29, 20:22
- Sigh, see previous post about moving goalposts -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 16:53
- Ugh, you can now buy SUROS Regime with real money -
squidnh3,
2020-01-29, 13:23