Exhibit B: Emulators
Imagine another scenario:
A perfect Xbox 360 emulator is released tomorrow. You buy Destiny and try to play it. The emulator has the capability to communicate the same way as an xbox, but since consoles individually identify themselves to the server, there is no way MS would allow the emulator to connect. Thus, they are again restricting your access to the game.
Emulators have long been an ethical and legal grey area. There are two main sides to the story: gamers want to be able to continue to play games long after the hardware has stopped being made or is easily available, whereas publishers want to continue to enforce their IP rights. A smaller number of players want to play current console games on PC hardware for some reason (possibly to hack around with it, possibly because they don't want to buy the hardware).
Usually what's happened is that emulator developers have gotten around IP rights by not distributing anything that could be construed as the original console maker's intellectual property — for example the system ROM for a given console. Obviously these are available fairly trivially via torrents and warez sites etc, but the emulator projects themselves can keep their nose clean. However whenever the console being emulated is still being sold and is readily available, the console maker quite rightly sees this as an attempt to circumvent their control and potentially to get in the way of their own sales too. Remember Bleem!?
Taking all this and applying it to Destiny we're clearly not talking about old, dead hardware so the first set of considerations don't apply. But on top of that, the game itself relies upon Xbox Live, and — almost certainly — Bungie's own server system to both be up and running. Witness the end of Halo 2 multiplayer — that's Destiny's fate in probably no more than 15 years’ time. The same will happen to World of Warcraft someday, too. Emulator or no, there will be a point in the future where there is no server part of the equation around to play Destiny any more. And that's not DRM.
Complete thread:
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Xenos,
2013-03-20, 20:33
- Always online does not equal DRM -
katancik,
2013-03-20, 20:40
- This -
Xenos,
2013-03-20, 20:43
- This -
Stephen Laughlin,
2013-03-20, 21:25
- Marked. - Xenos, 2013-03-20, 21:26
- This -
Dagoonite,
2013-03-20, 22:33
- What about roads? -
Ragashingo,
2013-03-20, 22:45
- What about roads? - Dagoonite, 2013-03-20, 23:45
- Roads? Where we're going, we won't need roads... - thebruce, 2013-03-21, 06:35
- What about roads? -
Ragashingo,
2013-03-20, 22:45
- This -
Stephen Laughlin,
2013-03-20, 21:25
- This -
Xenos,
2013-03-20, 20:43
- I believe it does -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-20, 23:17
- I believe it does -
Xenos,
2013-03-20, 23:26
- I believe it does -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-20, 23:46
- I believe it does - Xenos, 2013-03-20, 23:47
- I believe it does - MrPadraig08, 2013-03-21, 07:41
- I believe it does -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-20, 23:46
- I believe it doesn't -
Dean Hofmeyer (unhh),
2013-03-21, 01:35
- Good points -
Xenos,
2013-03-21, 01:37
- Good points -
Malagate,
2013-03-21, 05:08
- Good points -
Kermit,
2013-03-21, 07:06
- Good points -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-21, 11:44
- Good points - Kermit, 2013-03-21, 14:25
- Good points -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-21, 11:44
- Good points -
Kermit,
2013-03-21, 07:06
- Good points -
Malagate,
2013-03-21, 05:08
- I believe it doesn't -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-21, 12:30
- I believe it doesn't - Dean Hofmeyer (unhh), 2013-03-21, 15:41
- I believe it doesn't -
narcogen,
2013-03-21, 23:48
- I believe it doesn't -
Xenos,
2013-03-21, 23:54
- I believe it doesn't -
narcogen,
2013-03-23, 04:04
- I believe it doesn't - Xenos, 2013-03-23, 13:31
- I believe it doesn't -
narcogen,
2013-03-23, 04:04
- I believe it doesn't - thebruce, 2013-03-22, 06:36
- I believe it doesn't -
Xenos,
2013-03-21, 23:54
- Good points -
Xenos,
2013-03-21, 01:37
- Exhibit A: Banned Consoles - kapowaz, 2013-03-21, 01:40
- Exhibit B: Emulators -
kapowaz,
2013-03-21, 01:56
- Exhibit B: Emulators -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-21, 08:58
- Exhibit B: Emulators -
kapowaz,
2013-03-21, 09:12
- Exhibit B: Emulators - Cody Miller, 2013-03-21, 09:26
- Exhibit B: Emulators -
kapowaz,
2013-03-21, 09:12
- Exhibit B: Emulators -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-21, 08:58
- I believe it does -
Dean Hofmeyer (unhh),
2013-03-25, 01:35
- I believe it does -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 09:20
- I believe it does - Dean Hofmeyer (unhh), 2013-03-25, 12:37
- I believe it does -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 09:20
- I believe it does -
Xenos,
2013-03-20, 23:26
- Except that it does. -
narcogen,
2013-03-21, 23:42
- Client-Server != DRM -
kapowaz,
2013-03-22, 01:59
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 09:51
- Client-Server != DRM -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-22, 09:59
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 10:09
- Client-Server != DRM - uberfoop, 2013-03-22, 10:11
- Client-Server != DRM -
Schooly D,
2013-03-22, 11:00
- Client-Server != DRM -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-22, 11:07
- Client-Server != DRM - Cody Miller, 2013-03-22, 11:32
- Client-Server != DRM - kapowaz, 2013-03-22, 12:11
- Client-Server != DRM -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-22, 11:07
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 10:09
- Client-Server != DRM -
kapowaz,
2013-03-22, 10:27
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 10:42
- Client-Server != DRM -
kapowaz,
2013-03-22, 12:07
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 12:12
- Client-Server != DRM - kapowaz, 2013-03-22, 12:38
- Client-Server != DRM -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-22, 14:36
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 15:38
- Client-Server != DRM -
Dean Hofmeyer (unhh),
2013-03-22, 16:09
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 16:50
- Client-Server != DRM - Dean Hofmeyer (unhh), 2013-03-22, 17:45
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Hoovaloov,
2013-03-23, 05:04
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Leisandir,
2013-03-23, 06:23
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Avateur,
2013-03-23, 10:48
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
RC,
2013-03-24, 19:47
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Xenos,
2013-03-24, 19:54
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Avateur,
2013-03-24, 20:48
- My Only Concern With Destiny - RC, 2013-03-24, 21:46
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Avateur,
2013-03-24, 20:48
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Xenos,
2013-03-24, 19:54
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
RC,
2013-03-24, 19:47
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Avateur,
2013-03-23, 10:48
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Leisandir,
2013-03-23, 06:23
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 16:50
- Client-Server != DRM - kapowaz, 2013-03-22, 16:27
- Client-Server != DRM -
Dean Hofmeyer (unhh),
2013-03-22, 16:09
- Client-Server != DRM -
narcogen,
2013-03-23, 04:49
- Client-Server != DRM -
kapowaz,
2013-03-24, 17:30
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-24, 22:07
- Client-Server != DRM -
Dean Hofmeyer (unhh),
2013-03-25, 01:19
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 09:06
- Client-Server != DRM - Dean Hofmeyer (unhh), 2013-03-25, 12:42
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 09:06
- Client-Server != DRM -
Dean Hofmeyer (unhh),
2013-03-25, 01:19
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-24, 22:07
- Client-Server != DRM -
kapowaz,
2013-03-24, 17:30
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 15:38
- Client-Server != DRM -
Mercury,
2013-03-22, 15:30
- Client-Server != DRM - Cody Miller, 2013-03-22, 15:44
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 12:12
- Client-Server != DRM -
kapowaz,
2013-03-22, 12:07
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 10:42
- Client-Server != DRM -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-22, 09:59
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 09:51
- Client-Server != DRM -
kapowaz,
2013-03-22, 01:59
- Always online does not equal DRM - General Vagueness, 2013-03-22, 17:07
- Always online does not equal DRM -
General Vagueness,
2013-03-22, 22:17
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-24, 22:05
- Always online does not equal DRM - thebruce, 2013-03-25, 07:33
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-25, 08:11
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 09:12
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Mercury,
2013-03-25, 10:06
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 10:29
- Always online does not equal DRM - Mercury, 2013-03-25, 14:12
- Oh, my -
ZackDark,
2013-03-25, 19:40
- Excellent question! -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 20:45
- Thank you -
ZackDark,
2013-03-25, 21:01
- Agreed - Xenos, 2013-03-25, 21:14
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
kapowaz,
2013-03-26, 07:58
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-26, 08:08
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Mercury,
2013-03-26, 08:28
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Anton P. Nym (aka Steve),
2013-03-26, 09:22
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Mercury,
2013-03-26, 10:19
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games - Mr Daax, 2013-03-26, 11:34
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games - kapowaz, 2013-03-26, 11:35
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games - Ragashingo, 2013-03-26, 14:15
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-27, 10:10
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games - Claude Errera, 2013-03-27, 17:58
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
kapowaz,
2013-03-28, 02:46
- Winner! - Anton P. Nym (aka Steve), 2013-03-28, 08:04
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
General Vagueness,
2013-03-28, 17:46
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games - kapowaz, 2013-03-28, 18:11
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Mercury,
2013-03-26, 10:19
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Anton P. Nym (aka Steve),
2013-03-26, 09:22
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games - kapowaz, 2013-03-26, 09:07
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Mercury,
2013-03-26, 08:28
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Mr Daax,
2013-03-26, 11:56
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games - Xenos, 2013-03-26, 13:07
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games - kapowaz, 2013-03-26, 13:28
- Incentive - RC, 2013-03-27, 13:05
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-26, 08:08
- Thank you -
ZackDark,
2013-03-25, 21:01
- Excellent question! -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 20:45
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 10:29
- Always online does not equal DRM - kapowaz, 2013-03-25, 16:04
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Mercury,
2013-03-25, 10:06
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 09:12
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-24, 22:05
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
kapowaz,
2013-03-28, 01:48
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
Xenos,
2013-03-28, 01:50
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
kapowaz,
2013-03-28, 02:43
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
Xenos,
2013-03-28, 02:50
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
kapowaz,
2013-03-28, 03:46
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" - Xenos, 2013-03-28, 04:17
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
kapowaz,
2013-03-28, 03:46
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
Xenos,
2013-03-28, 02:50
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
kapowaz,
2013-03-28, 02:43
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
Xenos,
2013-03-28, 01:50
- Always online does not equal DRM -
katancik,
2013-03-20, 20:40