Client-Server != DRM
Well, that's where the 'otherwise capable of executing the game code' comes into play. The status quo is to have all code executed locally, or if the design of the game is such that servers that run calculations are required (Q3, UT etc), allow players to run servers. If a decision is made to change that by making code run only on the server not controlled by a player and feeding the results to the client, then that's a decision restricting your access to run the game code, and by anybody's definition I hope would be considered DRM if that is the only way to run your game.
I think the possibility of players having control over a destiny server is exactly zero.
What part of "Destiny is supposed to have a shared persistent world" aren't you getting here? The only way to make that kind of game functional is to have a central server setup. I don't think anyone's suggesting that Destiny won't be subject to digital rights management of some kind - it would be absurd to assume so. My contention is that DRM is not an inherent part of an always online game.
I think the point where we diverge on this may be your interesting definition of DRM. Could you give me a few examples of things other than piracy that are addressed by DRM in a non-subscription-based game? I'm not sure I'm clear where you're coming from with that aspect of your argumentation.
Complete thread:
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Xenos,
2013-03-20, 20:33
- Always online does not equal DRM -
katancik,
2013-03-20, 20:40
- This -
Xenos,
2013-03-20, 20:43
- This -
Stephen Laughlin,
2013-03-20, 21:25
- Marked. - Xenos, 2013-03-20, 21:26
- This -
Dagoonite,
2013-03-20, 22:33
- What about roads? -
Ragashingo,
2013-03-20, 22:45
- What about roads? - Dagoonite, 2013-03-20, 23:45
- Roads? Where we're going, we won't need roads... - thebruce, 2013-03-21, 06:35
- What about roads? -
Ragashingo,
2013-03-20, 22:45
- This -
Stephen Laughlin,
2013-03-20, 21:25
- This -
Xenos,
2013-03-20, 20:43
- I believe it does -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-20, 23:17
- I believe it does -
Xenos,
2013-03-20, 23:26
- I believe it does -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-20, 23:46
- I believe it does - Xenos, 2013-03-20, 23:47
- I believe it does - MrPadraig08, 2013-03-21, 07:41
- I believe it does -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-20, 23:46
- I believe it doesn't -
Dean Hofmeyer (unhh),
2013-03-21, 01:35
- Good points -
Xenos,
2013-03-21, 01:37
- Good points -
Malagate,
2013-03-21, 05:08
- Good points -
Kermit,
2013-03-21, 07:06
- Good points -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-21, 11:44
- Good points - Kermit, 2013-03-21, 14:25
- Good points -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-21, 11:44
- Good points -
Kermit,
2013-03-21, 07:06
- Good points -
Malagate,
2013-03-21, 05:08
- I believe it doesn't -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-21, 12:30
- I believe it doesn't - Dean Hofmeyer (unhh), 2013-03-21, 15:41
- I believe it doesn't -
narcogen,
2013-03-21, 23:48
- I believe it doesn't -
Xenos,
2013-03-21, 23:54
- I believe it doesn't -
narcogen,
2013-03-23, 04:04
- I believe it doesn't - Xenos, 2013-03-23, 13:31
- I believe it doesn't -
narcogen,
2013-03-23, 04:04
- I believe it doesn't - thebruce, 2013-03-22, 06:36
- I believe it doesn't -
Xenos,
2013-03-21, 23:54
- Good points -
Xenos,
2013-03-21, 01:37
- Exhibit A: Banned Consoles - kapowaz, 2013-03-21, 01:40
- Exhibit B: Emulators -
kapowaz,
2013-03-21, 01:56
- Exhibit B: Emulators -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-21, 08:58
- Exhibit B: Emulators -
kapowaz,
2013-03-21, 09:12
- Exhibit B: Emulators - Cody Miller, 2013-03-21, 09:26
- Exhibit B: Emulators -
kapowaz,
2013-03-21, 09:12
- Exhibit B: Emulators -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-21, 08:58
- I believe it does -
Dean Hofmeyer (unhh),
2013-03-25, 01:35
- I believe it does -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 09:20
- I believe it does - Dean Hofmeyer (unhh), 2013-03-25, 12:37
- I believe it does -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 09:20
- I believe it does -
Xenos,
2013-03-20, 23:26
- Except that it does. -
narcogen,
2013-03-21, 23:42
- Client-Server != DRM -
kapowaz,
2013-03-22, 01:59
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 09:51
- Client-Server != DRM -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-22, 09:59
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 10:09
- Client-Server != DRM - uberfoop, 2013-03-22, 10:11
- Client-Server != DRM -
Schooly D,
2013-03-22, 11:00
- Client-Server != DRM -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-22, 11:07
- Client-Server != DRM - Cody Miller, 2013-03-22, 11:32
- Client-Server != DRM - kapowaz, 2013-03-22, 12:11
- Client-Server != DRM -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-22, 11:07
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 10:09
- Client-Server != DRM -
kapowaz,
2013-03-22, 10:27
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 10:42
- Client-Server != DRM -
kapowaz,
2013-03-22, 12:07
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 12:12
- Client-Server != DRM - kapowaz, 2013-03-22, 12:38
- Client-Server != DRM -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-22, 14:36
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 15:38
- Client-Server != DRM -
Dean Hofmeyer (unhh),
2013-03-22, 16:09
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 16:50
- Client-Server != DRM - Dean Hofmeyer (unhh), 2013-03-22, 17:45
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Hoovaloov,
2013-03-23, 05:04
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Leisandir,
2013-03-23, 06:23
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Avateur,
2013-03-23, 10:48
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
RC,
2013-03-24, 19:47
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Xenos,
2013-03-24, 19:54
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Avateur,
2013-03-24, 20:48
- My Only Concern With Destiny - RC, 2013-03-24, 21:46
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Avateur,
2013-03-24, 20:48
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Xenos,
2013-03-24, 19:54
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
RC,
2013-03-24, 19:47
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Avateur,
2013-03-23, 10:48
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Leisandir,
2013-03-23, 06:23
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 16:50
- Client-Server != DRM - kapowaz, 2013-03-22, 16:27
- Client-Server != DRM -
Dean Hofmeyer (unhh),
2013-03-22, 16:09
- Client-Server != DRM -
narcogen,
2013-03-23, 04:49
- Client-Server != DRM -
kapowaz,
2013-03-24, 17:30
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-24, 22:07
- Client-Server != DRM -
Dean Hofmeyer (unhh),
2013-03-25, 01:19
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 09:06
- Client-Server != DRM - Dean Hofmeyer (unhh), 2013-03-25, 12:42
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 09:06
- Client-Server != DRM -
Dean Hofmeyer (unhh),
2013-03-25, 01:19
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-24, 22:07
- Client-Server != DRM -
kapowaz,
2013-03-24, 17:30
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 15:38
- Client-Server != DRM -
Mercury,
2013-03-22, 15:30
- Client-Server != DRM - Cody Miller, 2013-03-22, 15:44
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 12:12
- Client-Server != DRM -
kapowaz,
2013-03-22, 12:07
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 10:42
- Client-Server != DRM -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-22, 09:59
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 09:51
- Client-Server != DRM -
kapowaz,
2013-03-22, 01:59
- Always online does not equal DRM - General Vagueness, 2013-03-22, 17:07
- Always online does not equal DRM -
General Vagueness,
2013-03-22, 22:17
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-24, 22:05
- Always online does not equal DRM - thebruce, 2013-03-25, 07:33
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-25, 08:11
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 09:12
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Mercury,
2013-03-25, 10:06
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 10:29
- Always online does not equal DRM - Mercury, 2013-03-25, 14:12
- Oh, my -
ZackDark,
2013-03-25, 19:40
- Excellent question! -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 20:45
- Thank you -
ZackDark,
2013-03-25, 21:01
- Agreed - Xenos, 2013-03-25, 21:14
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
kapowaz,
2013-03-26, 07:58
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-26, 08:08
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Mercury,
2013-03-26, 08:28
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Anton P. Nym (aka Steve),
2013-03-26, 09:22
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Mercury,
2013-03-26, 10:19
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games - Mr Daax, 2013-03-26, 11:34
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games - kapowaz, 2013-03-26, 11:35
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games - Ragashingo, 2013-03-26, 14:15
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-27, 10:10
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games - Claude Errera, 2013-03-27, 17:58
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
kapowaz,
2013-03-28, 02:46
- Winner! - Anton P. Nym (aka Steve), 2013-03-28, 08:04
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
General Vagueness,
2013-03-28, 17:46
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games - kapowaz, 2013-03-28, 18:11
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Mercury,
2013-03-26, 10:19
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Anton P. Nym (aka Steve),
2013-03-26, 09:22
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games - kapowaz, 2013-03-26, 09:07
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Mercury,
2013-03-26, 08:28
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Mr Daax,
2013-03-26, 11:56
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games - Xenos, 2013-03-26, 13:07
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games - kapowaz, 2013-03-26, 13:28
- Incentive - RC, 2013-03-27, 13:05
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-26, 08:08
- Thank you -
ZackDark,
2013-03-25, 21:01
- Excellent question! -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 20:45
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 10:29
- Always online does not equal DRM - kapowaz, 2013-03-25, 16:04
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Mercury,
2013-03-25, 10:06
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 09:12
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-24, 22:05
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
kapowaz,
2013-03-28, 01:48
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
Xenos,
2013-03-28, 01:50
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
kapowaz,
2013-03-28, 02:43
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
Xenos,
2013-03-28, 02:50
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
kapowaz,
2013-03-28, 03:46
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" - Xenos, 2013-03-28, 04:17
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
kapowaz,
2013-03-28, 03:46
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
Xenos,
2013-03-28, 02:50
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
kapowaz,
2013-03-28, 02:43
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
Xenos,
2013-03-28, 01:50
- Always online does not equal DRM -
katancik,
2013-03-20, 20:40