Client-Server != DRM
1. DRM is anything put in place by the developer / publisher which limits your ability to play the game on hardware otherwise capable of executing the game code.
Okay, I honestly feel like I see both sides of this argument, so I hope I'm not inconveniencing anyone by chiming in, and forcing more clarifications and arguments, but it really feels like a question of semantics more than anything else. It doesn't seem to me that anyone is arguing that there will not be a restriction to play the game based on the requirement of an online presence. No online, no play. We all get that, I think, and yeah that makes the game subject to xbl bans and crap, which are separate, but influencing, systems of rights.
However, I think your above definition can paint a really broad stroke. Is DRM really simply any way of controlling access that's otherwise possible? In the past, I've seen DRM more defined as a software based way of recognizing rights, and then allowing code execution through local means, authenticating server, or whatever. But, if DRM is simply an intentional restriction in any form barring access to some rather than others, when the access is physically possible, then poverty is incredible DRM because those sneaky developers added a price, no? But is this the actual case? Is what Bungie wants to do possible without that server access?
If there is a central authenticating server, that's one thing. I understand that. But am I mistaken in thinking "always online" could simply mean there is a server running shared code for a shared world? Then couldn't you define that server as part of the "hardware capable of executing the code" rather than DRM barring the use of said hardware? If the code is running on my box, then we aren't talking the pseudo-mmo we've been promised, are we? or what am I missing?
That said, I hate restrictions to access, DRM or not, and I want to be able to play my games where I can't connect, get good enough bandwidth, or whatever. A cop can take my license... that's how I see DRM, but a tow truck, thief, hurricane, etc. can take my car, that's kind of how always-on feels to me, like the hardware I need to run the game is no longer in my control.
So yeah, I sort of see both sides. Semantics.
Complete thread:
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Xenos,
2013-03-20, 20:33
- Always online does not equal DRM -
katancik,
2013-03-20, 20:40
- This -
Xenos,
2013-03-20, 20:43
- This -
Stephen Laughlin,
2013-03-20, 21:25
- Marked. - Xenos, 2013-03-20, 21:26
- This -
Dagoonite,
2013-03-20, 22:33
- What about roads? -
Ragashingo,
2013-03-20, 22:45
- What about roads? - Dagoonite, 2013-03-20, 23:45
- Roads? Where we're going, we won't need roads... - thebruce, 2013-03-21, 06:35
- What about roads? -
Ragashingo,
2013-03-20, 22:45
- This -
Stephen Laughlin,
2013-03-20, 21:25
- This -
Xenos,
2013-03-20, 20:43
- I believe it does -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-20, 23:17
- I believe it does -
Xenos,
2013-03-20, 23:26
- I believe it does -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-20, 23:46
- I believe it does - Xenos, 2013-03-20, 23:47
- I believe it does - MrPadraig08, 2013-03-21, 07:41
- I believe it does -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-20, 23:46
- I believe it doesn't -
Dean Hofmeyer (unhh),
2013-03-21, 01:35
- Good points -
Xenos,
2013-03-21, 01:37
- Good points -
Malagate,
2013-03-21, 05:08
- Good points -
Kermit,
2013-03-21, 07:06
- Good points -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-21, 11:44
- Good points - Kermit, 2013-03-21, 14:25
- Good points -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-21, 11:44
- Good points -
Kermit,
2013-03-21, 07:06
- Good points -
Malagate,
2013-03-21, 05:08
- I believe it doesn't -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-21, 12:30
- I believe it doesn't - Dean Hofmeyer (unhh), 2013-03-21, 15:41
- I believe it doesn't -
narcogen,
2013-03-21, 23:48
- I believe it doesn't -
Xenos,
2013-03-21, 23:54
- I believe it doesn't -
narcogen,
2013-03-23, 04:04
- I believe it doesn't - Xenos, 2013-03-23, 13:31
- I believe it doesn't -
narcogen,
2013-03-23, 04:04
- I believe it doesn't - thebruce, 2013-03-22, 06:36
- I believe it doesn't -
Xenos,
2013-03-21, 23:54
- Good points -
Xenos,
2013-03-21, 01:37
- Exhibit A: Banned Consoles - kapowaz, 2013-03-21, 01:40
- Exhibit B: Emulators -
kapowaz,
2013-03-21, 01:56
- Exhibit B: Emulators -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-21, 08:58
- Exhibit B: Emulators -
kapowaz,
2013-03-21, 09:12
- Exhibit B: Emulators - Cody Miller, 2013-03-21, 09:26
- Exhibit B: Emulators -
kapowaz,
2013-03-21, 09:12
- Exhibit B: Emulators -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-21, 08:58
- I believe it does -
Dean Hofmeyer (unhh),
2013-03-25, 01:35
- I believe it does -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 09:20
- I believe it does - Dean Hofmeyer (unhh), 2013-03-25, 12:37
- I believe it does -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 09:20
- I believe it does -
Xenos,
2013-03-20, 23:26
- Except that it does. -
narcogen,
2013-03-21, 23:42
- Client-Server != DRM -
kapowaz,
2013-03-22, 01:59
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 09:51
- Client-Server != DRM -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-22, 09:59
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 10:09
- Client-Server != DRM - uberfoop, 2013-03-22, 10:11
- Client-Server != DRM -
Schooly D,
2013-03-22, 11:00
- Client-Server != DRM -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-22, 11:07
- Client-Server != DRM - Cody Miller, 2013-03-22, 11:32
- Client-Server != DRM - kapowaz, 2013-03-22, 12:11
- Client-Server != DRM -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-22, 11:07
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 10:09
- Client-Server != DRM -
kapowaz,
2013-03-22, 10:27
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 10:42
- Client-Server != DRM -
kapowaz,
2013-03-22, 12:07
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 12:12
- Client-Server != DRM - kapowaz, 2013-03-22, 12:38
- Client-Server != DRM -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-22, 14:36
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 15:38
- Client-Server != DRM -
Dean Hofmeyer (unhh),
2013-03-22, 16:09
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 16:50
- Client-Server != DRM - Dean Hofmeyer (unhh), 2013-03-22, 17:45
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Hoovaloov,
2013-03-23, 05:04
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Leisandir,
2013-03-23, 06:23
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Avateur,
2013-03-23, 10:48
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
RC,
2013-03-24, 19:47
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Xenos,
2013-03-24, 19:54
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Avateur,
2013-03-24, 20:48
- My Only Concern With Destiny - RC, 2013-03-24, 21:46
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Avateur,
2013-03-24, 20:48
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Xenos,
2013-03-24, 19:54
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
RC,
2013-03-24, 19:47
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Avateur,
2013-03-23, 10:48
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Leisandir,
2013-03-23, 06:23
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 16:50
- Client-Server != DRM - kapowaz, 2013-03-22, 16:27
- Client-Server != DRM -
Dean Hofmeyer (unhh),
2013-03-22, 16:09
- Client-Server != DRM -
narcogen,
2013-03-23, 04:49
- Client-Server != DRM -
kapowaz,
2013-03-24, 17:30
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-24, 22:07
- Client-Server != DRM -
Dean Hofmeyer (unhh),
2013-03-25, 01:19
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 09:06
- Client-Server != DRM - Dean Hofmeyer (unhh), 2013-03-25, 12:42
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 09:06
- Client-Server != DRM -
Dean Hofmeyer (unhh),
2013-03-25, 01:19
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-24, 22:07
- Client-Server != DRM -
kapowaz,
2013-03-24, 17:30
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 15:38
- Client-Server != DRM -
Mercury,
2013-03-22, 15:30
- Client-Server != DRM - Cody Miller, 2013-03-22, 15:44
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 12:12
- Client-Server != DRM -
kapowaz,
2013-03-22, 12:07
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 10:42
- Client-Server != DRM -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-22, 09:59
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 09:51
- Client-Server != DRM -
kapowaz,
2013-03-22, 01:59
- Always online does not equal DRM - General Vagueness, 2013-03-22, 17:07
- Always online does not equal DRM -
General Vagueness,
2013-03-22, 22:17
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-24, 22:05
- Always online does not equal DRM - thebruce, 2013-03-25, 07:33
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-25, 08:11
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 09:12
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Mercury,
2013-03-25, 10:06
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 10:29
- Always online does not equal DRM - Mercury, 2013-03-25, 14:12
- Oh, my -
ZackDark,
2013-03-25, 19:40
- Excellent question! -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 20:45
- Thank you -
ZackDark,
2013-03-25, 21:01
- Agreed - Xenos, 2013-03-25, 21:14
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
kapowaz,
2013-03-26, 07:58
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-26, 08:08
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Mercury,
2013-03-26, 08:28
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Anton P. Nym (aka Steve),
2013-03-26, 09:22
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Mercury,
2013-03-26, 10:19
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games - Mr Daax, 2013-03-26, 11:34
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games - kapowaz, 2013-03-26, 11:35
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games - Ragashingo, 2013-03-26, 14:15
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-27, 10:10
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games - Claude Errera, 2013-03-27, 17:58
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
kapowaz,
2013-03-28, 02:46
- Winner! - Anton P. Nym (aka Steve), 2013-03-28, 08:04
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
General Vagueness,
2013-03-28, 17:46
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games - kapowaz, 2013-03-28, 18:11
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Mercury,
2013-03-26, 10:19
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Anton P. Nym (aka Steve),
2013-03-26, 09:22
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games - kapowaz, 2013-03-26, 09:07
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Mercury,
2013-03-26, 08:28
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Mr Daax,
2013-03-26, 11:56
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games - Xenos, 2013-03-26, 13:07
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games - kapowaz, 2013-03-26, 13:28
- Incentive - RC, 2013-03-27, 13:05
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-26, 08:08
- Thank you -
ZackDark,
2013-03-25, 21:01
- Excellent question! -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 20:45
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 10:29
- Always online does not equal DRM - kapowaz, 2013-03-25, 16:04
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Mercury,
2013-03-25, 10:06
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 09:12
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-24, 22:05
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
kapowaz,
2013-03-28, 01:48
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
Xenos,
2013-03-28, 01:50
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
kapowaz,
2013-03-28, 02:43
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
Xenos,
2013-03-28, 02:50
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
kapowaz,
2013-03-28, 03:46
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" - Xenos, 2013-03-28, 04:17
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
kapowaz,
2013-03-28, 03:46
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
Xenos,
2013-03-28, 02:50
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
kapowaz,
2013-03-28, 02:43
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
Xenos,
2013-03-28, 01:50
- Always online does not equal DRM -
katancik,
2013-03-20, 20:40