Always online does not equal DRM
Are CD keys DRM? Most people would say yes, since if you have a game disc, but no CD key, you can't play.
So you want to play online, and you can't do so without a CD key. The server checks your CD key to validate it, and if it's not valid or pirated or in use by someone else it refuses you a connection. DRM? Most people would say yes.
Let's get one thing out of the way up front: that a majority of gamers might agree to these assertions is meaningless. It doesn't make them any more (or less) true than any number of other widely-held yet fallacious assumptions.
That aside, what you're describing is copy protection. These are explicitly anti-piracy measures, which is only a subset of what DRM is about in the context of software. There's no region-specific functionality being granted, no facility for them to alter or revoke your rights dynamically (other than the wholesale removal of them, as with a CD key ban, and even then that usually only prevents online play); in fact your rights aren't enumerated digitally at all here – they're written down in the software license you agree to when you install the software, then don't change.
As Claude put it, you've got your own definition of what DRM constitutes, which is fine so long as you can accept that others might not agree with that definition. I for one think your definition is flawed, and I question what you're really bringing to this debate by steadfastly insisting that it is a certain kind of thing. What impact has it on whether or not people will enjoy Destiny, that is meaningfully different to (say) an MMO? As I've said elsewhere, that kind of always-online gameplay is not remotely new, so I'm dubious that it's anywhere near as big a problem as you're making out.
Complete thread:
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Xenos,
2013-03-20, 20:33
- Always online does not equal DRM -
katancik,
2013-03-20, 20:40
- This -
Xenos,
2013-03-20, 20:43
- This -
Stephen Laughlin,
2013-03-20, 21:25
- Marked. - Xenos, 2013-03-20, 21:26
- This -
Dagoonite,
2013-03-20, 22:33
- What about roads? -
Ragashingo,
2013-03-20, 22:45
- What about roads? - Dagoonite, 2013-03-20, 23:45
- Roads? Where we're going, we won't need roads... - thebruce, 2013-03-21, 06:35
- What about roads? -
Ragashingo,
2013-03-20, 22:45
- This -
Stephen Laughlin,
2013-03-20, 21:25
- This -
Xenos,
2013-03-20, 20:43
- I believe it does -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-20, 23:17
- I believe it does -
Xenos,
2013-03-20, 23:26
- I believe it does -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-20, 23:46
- I believe it does - Xenos, 2013-03-20, 23:47
- I believe it does - MrPadraig08, 2013-03-21, 07:41
- I believe it does -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-20, 23:46
- I believe it doesn't -
Dean Hofmeyer (unhh),
2013-03-21, 01:35
- Good points -
Xenos,
2013-03-21, 01:37
- Good points -
Malagate,
2013-03-21, 05:08
- Good points -
Kermit,
2013-03-21, 07:06
- Good points -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-21, 11:44
- Good points - Kermit, 2013-03-21, 14:25
- Good points -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-21, 11:44
- Good points -
Kermit,
2013-03-21, 07:06
- Good points -
Malagate,
2013-03-21, 05:08
- I believe it doesn't -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-21, 12:30
- I believe it doesn't - Dean Hofmeyer (unhh), 2013-03-21, 15:41
- I believe it doesn't -
narcogen,
2013-03-21, 23:48
- I believe it doesn't -
Xenos,
2013-03-21, 23:54
- I believe it doesn't -
narcogen,
2013-03-23, 04:04
- I believe it doesn't - Xenos, 2013-03-23, 13:31
- I believe it doesn't -
narcogen,
2013-03-23, 04:04
- I believe it doesn't - thebruce, 2013-03-22, 06:36
- I believe it doesn't -
Xenos,
2013-03-21, 23:54
- Good points -
Xenos,
2013-03-21, 01:37
- Exhibit A: Banned Consoles - kapowaz, 2013-03-21, 01:40
- Exhibit B: Emulators -
kapowaz,
2013-03-21, 01:56
- Exhibit B: Emulators -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-21, 08:58
- Exhibit B: Emulators -
kapowaz,
2013-03-21, 09:12
- Exhibit B: Emulators - Cody Miller, 2013-03-21, 09:26
- Exhibit B: Emulators -
kapowaz,
2013-03-21, 09:12
- Exhibit B: Emulators -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-21, 08:58
- I believe it does -
Dean Hofmeyer (unhh),
2013-03-25, 01:35
- I believe it does -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 09:20
- I believe it does - Dean Hofmeyer (unhh), 2013-03-25, 12:37
- I believe it does -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 09:20
- I believe it does -
Xenos,
2013-03-20, 23:26
- Except that it does. -
narcogen,
2013-03-21, 23:42
- Client-Server != DRM -
kapowaz,
2013-03-22, 01:59
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 09:51
- Client-Server != DRM -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-22, 09:59
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 10:09
- Client-Server != DRM - uberfoop, 2013-03-22, 10:11
- Client-Server != DRM -
Schooly D,
2013-03-22, 11:00
- Client-Server != DRM -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-22, 11:07
- Client-Server != DRM - Cody Miller, 2013-03-22, 11:32
- Client-Server != DRM - kapowaz, 2013-03-22, 12:11
- Client-Server != DRM -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-22, 11:07
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 10:09
- Client-Server != DRM -
kapowaz,
2013-03-22, 10:27
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 10:42
- Client-Server != DRM -
kapowaz,
2013-03-22, 12:07
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 12:12
- Client-Server != DRM - kapowaz, 2013-03-22, 12:38
- Client-Server != DRM -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-22, 14:36
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 15:38
- Client-Server != DRM -
Dean Hofmeyer (unhh),
2013-03-22, 16:09
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 16:50
- Client-Server != DRM - Dean Hofmeyer (unhh), 2013-03-22, 17:45
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Hoovaloov,
2013-03-23, 05:04
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Leisandir,
2013-03-23, 06:23
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Avateur,
2013-03-23, 10:48
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
RC,
2013-03-24, 19:47
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Xenos,
2013-03-24, 19:54
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Avateur,
2013-03-24, 20:48
- My Only Concern With Destiny - RC, 2013-03-24, 21:46
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Avateur,
2013-03-24, 20:48
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Xenos,
2013-03-24, 19:54
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
RC,
2013-03-24, 19:47
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Avateur,
2013-03-23, 10:48
- My Only Concern With Destiny -
Leisandir,
2013-03-23, 06:23
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 16:50
- Client-Server != DRM - kapowaz, 2013-03-22, 16:27
- Client-Server != DRM -
Dean Hofmeyer (unhh),
2013-03-22, 16:09
- Client-Server != DRM -
narcogen,
2013-03-23, 04:49
- Client-Server != DRM -
kapowaz,
2013-03-24, 17:30
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-24, 22:07
- Client-Server != DRM -
Dean Hofmeyer (unhh),
2013-03-25, 01:19
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 09:06
- Client-Server != DRM - Dean Hofmeyer (unhh), 2013-03-25, 12:42
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 09:06
- Client-Server != DRM -
Dean Hofmeyer (unhh),
2013-03-25, 01:19
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-24, 22:07
- Client-Server != DRM -
kapowaz,
2013-03-24, 17:30
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 15:38
- Client-Server != DRM -
Mercury,
2013-03-22, 15:30
- Client-Server != DRM - Cody Miller, 2013-03-22, 15:44
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 12:12
- Client-Server != DRM -
kapowaz,
2013-03-22, 12:07
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 10:42
- Client-Server != DRM -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-22, 09:59
- Client-Server != DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-22, 09:51
- Client-Server != DRM -
kapowaz,
2013-03-22, 01:59
- Always online does not equal DRM - General Vagueness, 2013-03-22, 17:07
- Always online does not equal DRM -
General Vagueness,
2013-03-22, 22:17
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-24, 22:05
- Always online does not equal DRM - thebruce, 2013-03-25, 07:33
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Claude Errera,
2013-03-25, 08:11
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 09:12
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Mercury,
2013-03-25, 10:06
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 10:29
- Always online does not equal DRM - Mercury, 2013-03-25, 14:12
- Oh, my -
ZackDark,
2013-03-25, 19:40
- Excellent question! -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 20:45
- Thank you -
ZackDark,
2013-03-25, 21:01
- Agreed - Xenos, 2013-03-25, 21:14
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
kapowaz,
2013-03-26, 07:58
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-26, 08:08
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Mercury,
2013-03-26, 08:28
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Anton P. Nym (aka Steve),
2013-03-26, 09:22
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Mercury,
2013-03-26, 10:19
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games - Mr Daax, 2013-03-26, 11:34
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games - kapowaz, 2013-03-26, 11:35
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games - Ragashingo, 2013-03-26, 14:15
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-27, 10:10
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games - Claude Errera, 2013-03-27, 17:58
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
kapowaz,
2013-03-28, 02:46
- Winner! - Anton P. Nym (aka Steve), 2013-03-28, 08:04
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
General Vagueness,
2013-03-28, 17:46
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games - kapowaz, 2013-03-28, 18:11
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Mercury,
2013-03-26, 10:19
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Anton P. Nym (aka Steve),
2013-03-26, 09:22
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games - kapowaz, 2013-03-26, 09:07
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Mercury,
2013-03-26, 08:28
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Mr Daax,
2013-03-26, 11:56
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games - Xenos, 2013-03-26, 13:07
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games - kapowaz, 2013-03-26, 13:28
- Incentive - RC, 2013-03-27, 13:05
- Motivations behind region restrictions in games -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-26, 08:08
- Thank you -
ZackDark,
2013-03-25, 21:01
- Excellent question! -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 20:45
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 10:29
- Always online does not equal DRM - kapowaz, 2013-03-25, 16:04
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Mercury,
2013-03-25, 10:06
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-25, 09:12
- Always online does not equal DRM -
Cody Miller,
2013-03-24, 22:05
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
kapowaz,
2013-03-28, 01:48
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
Xenos,
2013-03-28, 01:50
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
kapowaz,
2013-03-28, 02:43
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
Xenos,
2013-03-28, 02:50
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
kapowaz,
2013-03-28, 03:46
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" - Xenos, 2013-03-28, 04:17
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
kapowaz,
2013-03-28, 03:46
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
Xenos,
2013-03-28, 02:50
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
kapowaz,
2013-03-28, 02:43
- EA: "DRM is a failed dead-end strategy" -
Xenos,
2013-03-28, 01:50
- Always online does not equal DRM -
katancik,
2013-03-20, 20:40