Think... er... I mean, Decrypt Different™ ;) (Destiny)
Again, it helps to take a look at the purpose of avatar leveling systems in games to see why they are not nessesary in an FPS.
Keep in mind that leveling and upgrade systems are not the same. Upgrade systems like in Deus Ex kick ass and make the the game more challenging, more interesting, and more diverse. What we are talking about are systems that deal with traditional power levels. Systems where your power is directly tied to a level. This is different than acquiring weapons and skills as you progress through the game.
The purpose of such systems is to decouple effectiveness from player skill. The reason being in tabletop games was that you as a player weren't actually swinging a sword or shooting a bow or whatnot, so there was no way for "you" to get better. Thus, leveling was a way to allow your character to become more adept in world, as they would as they progress on their adventures.
RPGs kept the leveling system because at their core they are very simple games that don't have a lot of depth and are easy to master. The systems are not very dynamic, and thus players could master them very quickly. Play a Final Fantasy game and see what I mean. Attack, heal, repeat. You could finish the game very easily. So to give the illusion of progression and difficulty, your avatar had a power level as did the enemies.
It should be obvious the FPS is a genre that is pretty deep and diverse with plenty of room for player skill to grow, and for challenges to strain the players. This on principle, there is absolutely zero reason for an avatar leveling system to exist in Destiny. None. The game would be far better suited if players acquired skills and weapons as they play without such a system.
There is a reason for the system, and that is time. It's designed to hold you back even if you are ready skill wise. Because Bungie wants you to constantly play Destiny, without realizing that no game can sustain that without either an insanely expensive conveyor belt of content, or time wasting grinding.
It's a solution to a non problem.
Complete thread:
- THAB 08/31/17 -
CyberKN,
2017-08-31, 17:20
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? -
DiscipleN2k,
2017-08-31, 17:36
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-31, 17:47
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? -
DiscipleN2k,
2017-08-31, 17:48
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? - ZackDark, 2017-08-31, 17:50
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-31, 17:56
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? -
petetheduck,
2017-08-31, 17:58
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-31, 18:01
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? -
petetheduck,
2017-08-31, 18:02
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-31, 18:03
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? - petetheduck, 2017-08-31, 18:09
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-31, 18:03
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? -
petetheduck,
2017-08-31, 18:02
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-31, 18:01
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? -
petetheduck,
2017-08-31, 17:58
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? -
DiscipleN2k,
2017-08-31, 17:48
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? -
Ragashingo,
2017-08-31, 18:09
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? - petetheduck, 2017-08-31, 18:10
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-31, 18:12
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? - Ragashingo, 2017-08-31, 18:21
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? -
narcogen,
2017-08-31, 18:30
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-31, 18:33
- No light levels -
narcogen,
2017-09-03, 03:02
- No light levels -
Cody Miller,
2017-09-03, 06:09
- Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand - narcogen, 2017-09-04, 19:24
- No light levels -
Cody Miller,
2017-09-03, 06:09
- No light levels -
narcogen,
2017-09-03, 03:02
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? -
cheapLEY,
2017-08-31, 18:50
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? - narcogen, 2017-09-03, 02:51
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-31, 18:33
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? -
DiscipleN2k,
2017-08-31, 18:37
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? -
Ragashingo,
2017-08-31, 18:47
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? -
DiscipleN2k,
2017-08-31, 19:24
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? - petetheduck, 2017-08-31, 19:56
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? -
Mr Daax,
2017-09-01, 09:48
- Rock on! -
DiscipleN2k,
2017-09-01, 10:02
- Rock on! - Mr Daax, 2017-09-01, 12:07
- Also willing -
RaichuKFM,
2017-09-01, 10:35
- Also willing -
DiscipleN2k,
2017-09-01, 12:00
- Also willing - Mr Daax, 2017-09-01, 12:10
- Also willing - RaichuKFM, 2017-09-01, 12:34
- Also willing -
DiscipleN2k,
2017-09-01, 12:00
- Rock on! -
DiscipleN2k,
2017-09-01, 10:02
- I would love to try it blind - FaerieFire, 2017-09-02, 06:43
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? -
DiscipleN2k,
2017-08-31, 19:24
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? -
Ragashingo,
2017-08-31, 18:47
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? - cheapLEY, 2017-08-31, 18:48
- No, not really. - narcogen, 2017-08-31, 18:27
- Not worse, just different. -
INSANEdrive,
2017-08-31, 18:33
- Not worse, just different. -
DiscipleN2k,
2017-08-31, 19:07
- Not worse, just different. -
INSANEdrive,
2017-08-31, 19:38
- Not worse, just different. - stabbim, 2017-08-31, 23:06
- Natural progression -
Beorn,
2017-09-01, 07:45
- Natural progression -
Xenos,
2017-09-01, 07:58
- Natural progression -
DiscipleN2k,
2017-09-01, 09:03
- Natural progression - Xenos, 2017-09-01, 09:47
- Natural progression -
cheapLEY,
2017-09-01, 11:14
- Natural progression -
Xenos,
2017-09-01, 11:23
- Natural progression -
Cody Miller,
2017-09-01, 11:59
- Natural progression -
Xenos,
2017-09-01, 12:00
- Natural progression -
Cody Miller,
2017-09-01, 13:28
- Natural progression -
Xenos,
2017-09-01, 13:48
- Natural progression -
Cody Miller,
2017-09-01, 13:52
- Natural progression -
Xenos,
2017-09-01, 13:58
- LOL -
cheapLEY,
2017-09-01, 14:02
- LOL -
Xenos,
2017-09-01, 14:04
- Yar! Acursed we be! - INSANEdrive, 2017-09-01, 14:42
- LOL -
Xenos,
2017-09-01, 14:04
- Natural progression -
Cody Miller,
2017-09-01, 14:44
- Natural progression -
Xenos,
2017-09-01, 14:57
- Natural progression -
Cody Miller,
2017-09-01, 17:19
- Natural progression -
RaichuKFM,
2017-09-01, 18:10
- Natural progression - Xenos, 2017-09-02, 07:19
- Natural progression -
Cody Miller,
2017-09-02, 09:04
- Natural progression -
Xenos,
2017-09-02, 09:29
- Natural progression - Cody Miller, 2017-09-02, 10:19
- Natural progression -
RaichuKFM,
2017-09-02, 13:12
- MTG tangent -
Xenos,
2017-09-02, 13:54
- MTG tangent - RaichuKFM, 2017-09-02, 15:38
- Sliver dekcs ftw - ZackDark, 2017-09-02, 20:23
- Natural progression -
Cody Miller,
2017-09-02, 15:01
- Natural progression - RaichuKFM, 2017-09-02, 16:56
- MTG tangent -
Xenos,
2017-09-02, 13:54
- Natural progression - narcogen, 2017-09-03, 03:21
- Natural progression -
Xenos,
2017-09-02, 09:29
- Dust jacket - narcogen, 2017-09-03, 03:12
- Natural progression -
RaichuKFM,
2017-09-01, 18:10
- Natural progression -
Cody Miller,
2017-09-01, 17:19
- Patrols - narcogen, 2017-09-03, 03:11
- Natural progression -
Xenos,
2017-09-01, 14:57
- LOL -
cheapLEY,
2017-09-01, 14:02
- Ridiculous -
narcogen,
2017-09-01, 19:56
- Ridiculous -
Cody Miller,
2017-09-02, 09:00
- Investment -
narcogen,
2017-09-03, 03:09
- Investment -
Cody Miller,
2017-09-03, 06:12
- Irrelevant - narcogen, 2017-09-04, 19:29
- Investment -
Cody Miller,
2017-09-03, 06:12
- Investment -
narcogen,
2017-09-03, 03:09
- Ridiculous -
Cody Miller,
2017-09-02, 09:00
- Natural progression -
Xenos,
2017-09-01, 13:58
- Natural progression -
Cody Miller,
2017-09-01, 13:52
- Natural progression -
Xenos,
2017-09-01, 13:48
- Natural progression -
Cody Miller,
2017-09-01, 13:28
- Natural progression -
Xenos,
2017-09-01, 12:00
- Natural progression -
Cody Miller,
2017-09-01, 11:59
- Natural progression -
Xenos,
2017-09-01, 11:23
- Natural progression -
DiscipleN2k,
2017-09-01, 09:03
- Natural progression - Cody Miller, 2017-09-01, 08:59
- Natural progression -
Xenos,
2017-09-01, 07:58
- Not worse, just different. -
INSANEdrive,
2017-08-31, 19:38
- Not worse, just different. -
DiscipleN2k,
2017-08-31, 19:07
- It appears to roll the MINIMUM level on drop... - kidtsunami, 2017-08-31, 22:25
- Think... er... I mean, Decrypt Different™ ;) -
dogcow,
2017-09-01, 07:20
- Think... er... I mean, Decrypt Different™ ;) - ZackDark, 2017-09-01, 07:46
- Think... er... I mean, Decrypt Different™ ;) -
DiscipleN2k,
2017-09-01, 08:38
- Think... er... I mean, Decrypt Different™ ;) -
dogcow,
2017-09-01, 09:01
- Think... er... I mean, Decrypt Different™ ;) - DiscipleN2k, 2017-09-01, 09:15
- Think... er... I mean, Decrypt Different™ ;) -
dogcow,
2017-09-01, 09:17
- Think... er... I mean, Decrypt Different™ ;) -
DiscipleN2k,
2017-09-01, 09:31
- Think... er... I mean, Decrypt Different™ ;) - dogcow, 2017-09-01, 09:37
- Think... er... I mean, Decrypt Different™ ;) -
DiscipleN2k,
2017-09-01, 09:31
- Think... er... I mean, Decrypt Different™ ;) - Xenos, 2017-09-01, 11:57
- Think... er... I mean, Decrypt Different™ ;) -
dogcow,
2017-09-01, 09:01
- Think... er... I mean, Decrypt Different™ ;) - Cody Miller, 2017-09-01, 08:56
- Yeah. But I'm not surprised. - ProbablyLast, 2017-09-01, 09:05
- Have we considered... -
ManKitten,
2017-09-01, 09:14
- Have we considered... - stabbim, 2017-09-01, 09:29
- Not a problem -
electricpirate,
2017-09-01, 09:20
- Not a problem - bonus for alternate characters -
dogcow,
2017-09-01, 09:26
- Not a problem - bonus for alternate characters -
DiscipleN2k,
2017-09-01, 10:01
- Not a problem - bonus for alternate characters - dogcow, 2017-09-01, 10:24
- Not a problem - bonus for alternate characters -
DiscipleN2k,
2017-09-01, 10:01
- Not a problem - bonus for alternate characters -
dogcow,
2017-09-01, 09:26
- this discourages engram hoarding prior to new expansions -
Schedonnardus,
2017-09-01, 12:52
- this discourages engram hoarding prior to new expansions -
bluerunner,
2017-09-01, 13:18
- this discourages engram hoarding prior to new expansions -
cheapLEY,
2017-09-01, 14:00
- Wait what? - narcogen, 2017-09-03, 02:48
- YES! THIS! I'm very sad about the timeline. - slycrel, 2017-09-01, 22:39
- this discourages engram hoarding prior to new expansions -
cheapLEY,
2017-09-01, 14:00
- this discourages engram hoarding prior to new expansions -
bluerunner,
2017-09-01, 13:18
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? -
Cody Miller,
2017-08-31, 17:47
- THAB 08/31/17 - petetheduck, 2017-08-31, 17:50
- THAB 08/31/17 -
squidnh3,
2017-08-31, 18:09
- THAB 08/31/17 -
INSANEdrive,
2017-08-31, 18:43
- THAB 08/31/17 -
Cody Miller,
2017-09-01, 05:41
- THAB 08/31/17 -
Schedonnardus,
2017-09-01, 08:42
- FPS players? - ZackDark, 2017-09-01, 09:29
- THAB 08/31/17 -
Schedonnardus,
2017-09-01, 08:42
- THAB 08/31/17 - dogcow, 2017-09-01, 07:29
- THAB 08/31/17 -
Cody Miller,
2017-09-01, 05:41
- THAB 08/31/17 -
INSANEdrive,
2017-08-31, 18:43
- THAB 08/31/17 - Snarky Summary -
Kahzgul,
2017-09-02, 20:59
- -7 Not snarky enough -
Xenos,
2017-09-03, 07:14
- -7 Not snarky enough - Kahzgul, 2017-09-03, 17:58
- -7 Not snarky enough -
Xenos,
2017-09-03, 07:14
- So, they actually made the engram situation worse? -
DiscipleN2k,
2017-08-31, 17:36