Disney finally killed it (Off-Topic)
Both TFA and TLJ smack of a lack of understanding when it comes to the source material, and what Star Wars really is.
I would agree with Force Awakens. But not Last Jedi. It wasn’t about defying expectations for the sake of it. It told an achingly human and very “Star Wars” story. And what’s more it rang true. The fact that Luke grew over the course of the movie and beat Kylo in the most awesome Jedi pacifist way is a testament to that. It’s all there from the original trilogy! It’s a whole movie version of the cave on Dagobah.
That's a gppd point, and I did really like that part of the movie too. I also thought the final message of hope at the very end was quite powerful. Really, the biggest problem I have is that both hero and anti-hero adopt the "forget the past, kill it if you have to" mentality with little or no negative repercussion. That's a pretty anti-Star Wars message. They're saying "you are already enough as you are", rather than "you could be so much more than you are". The only character who really seams to learn anything of substance is Poe, but that gets undercut by the fact that his character is so different than it was in the previous movie (it makes things jarring when viewing the whole series).
Complete thread:
- Disney finally killed it -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 07:52
- Disney finally killed it -
Korny,
2019-12-18, 08:17
- Screenplay. -
INSANEdrive,
2019-12-18, 10:15
- Do not open my (this) post if you want to avoid spoilers - Cody Miller, 2019-12-18, 10:59
- Disney finally killed it -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-18, 10:18
- Disney finally killed it -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 10:52
- Disney finally killed it -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-18, 11:59
- Disney finally killed it -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 12:15
- Disney finally killed it -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-18, 12:47
- Disney finally killed it -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 12:58
- Disney finally killed it -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-18, 14:33
- Disney finally killed it - Harmanimus, 2019-12-18, 16:24
- Disney finally killed it -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-18, 14:33
- Disney finally killed it -
kidtsunami,
2019-12-18, 13:10
- Disney finally killed it -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-18, 14:41
- Disney finally killed it -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 14:45
- Disney finally killed it -
kidtsunami,
2019-12-18, 14:47
- Disney finally killed it -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-18, 15:11
- And 2015 and 2017 were really different years to release in. - Harmanimus, 2019-12-18, 16:32
- Disney finally killed it -
cheapLEY,
2019-12-18, 17:42
- Disney finally killed it - CruelLEGACEY, 2019-12-18, 19:41
- Disney finally killed it - EffortlessFury, 2019-12-18, 22:06
- Disney finally killed it - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-12-19, 14:00
- Disney finally killed it -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-18, 15:11
- Spaceballs 2: The Quest for More Money - INSANEdrive, 2019-12-18, 14:49
- Disney finally killed it -
kidtsunami,
2019-12-18, 14:47
- Disney finally killed it -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 14:45
- Disney finally killed it -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-18, 14:41
- Disney finally killed it -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 12:58
- Disney finally killed it -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-18, 12:47
- Disney finally killed it -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 12:15
- Disney finally killed it -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-18, 11:59
- Disney finally killed it - Ragashingo, 2019-12-18, 11:22
- Disney finally killed it -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 10:52
- Screenplay. -
INSANEdrive,
2019-12-18, 10:15
- Disney finally killed it -
ManKitten,
2019-12-18, 08:27
- Disney finally killed it -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 08:41
- Disney finally killed it - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-12-18, 12:02
- Disney finally killed it -
kidtsunami,
2019-12-18, 08:43
- Disney finally killed it -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 08:52
- Disney finally killed it -
ManKitten,
2019-12-18, 09:31
- Disney finally killed it - Cody Miller, 2019-12-18, 10:17
- Disney finally killed it - bluerunner, 2019-12-18, 10:18
- Disney finally killed it -
ManKitten,
2019-12-18, 09:31
- Disney finally killed it - Harmanimus, 2019-12-18, 09:35
- Disney finally killed it -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 08:52
- Disney finally killed it -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-18, 11:49
- Disney finally killed it -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 11:56
- Disney finally killed it -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-18, 12:11
- Disney finally killed it - ManKitten, 2019-12-18, 12:29
- Disney finally killed it -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-18, 12:11
- Whoa there -
kidtsunami,
2019-12-18, 12:45
- Whoa there -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 13:10
- It's an incredibly strained word - kidtsunami, 2019-12-18, 13:14
- Whoa there -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-18, 14:20
- Whoa there -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 14:38
- Whoa there - CruelLEGACEY, 2019-12-18, 14:45
- Whoa there -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-19, 08:06
- Whoa there -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-19, 08:22
- Whoa there -
Kermit,
2019-12-19, 12:49
- Whoa there - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-12-19, 13:49
- Whoa there -
cheapLEY,
2019-12-19, 14:16
- Whoa there -
Kermit,
2019-12-19, 15:23
- Whoa there -
cheapLEY,
2019-12-19, 15:28
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-19, 15:31
- Whoa there -
Harmanimus,
2019-12-19, 19:28
- Whoa there -
Kermit,
2019-12-19, 20:34
- Whoa there - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-12-20, 07:48
- Whoa there -
Kermit,
2019-12-19, 20:34
- Whoa there -
Harmanimus,
2019-12-19, 19:28
- Wow. -
Ragashingo,
2019-12-19, 15:57
- "Paradox of Tolerance" -
EffortlessFury,
2019-12-19, 17:57
- "Paradox of Tolerance" -
Ragashingo,
2019-12-19, 22:01
- "Paradox of Tolerance" -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 08:00
- "Paradox of Tolerance" -
kidtsunami,
2019-12-20, 08:19
- "Paradox of Tolerance" - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-12-20, 08:28
- "Paradox of Tolerance" -
kidtsunami,
2019-12-20, 08:19
- "Paradox of Tolerance" -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 08:00
- "Paradox of Tolerance" -
Ragashingo,
2019-12-19, 22:01
- Wow. -
cheapLEY,
2019-12-20, 06:18
- Wow. - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-12-20, 07:51
- "Paradox of Tolerance" -
EffortlessFury,
2019-12-19, 17:57
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-19, 15:31
- Whoa there -
Korny,
2019-12-19, 17:06
- Whoa there -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-19, 17:12
- Whoa there -
cheapLEY,
2019-12-19, 17:20
- Whoa there - Harmanimus, 2019-12-19, 19:39
- That's it, you guys have gone too far now - ZackDark, 2019-12-19, 20:04
- Whoa there -
cheapLEY,
2019-12-19, 17:20
- Whoa there -
Kermit,
2019-12-19, 17:42
- Whoa there -
Korny,
2019-12-19, 22:39
- Whoa there -
Claude Errera,
2019-12-19, 23:26
- Whoa there -
Korny,
2019-12-19, 23:37
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 07:55
- Whoa there -
cheapLEY,
2019-12-20, 08:10
- Whoa there - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-12-20, 08:15
- Whoa there -
Kermit,
2019-12-20, 10:07
- Whoa there -
cheapLEY,
2019-12-20, 12:22
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 12:31
- Whoa there -
Harmanimus,
2019-12-20, 16:03
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 17:11
- Whoa there -
Harmanimus,
2019-12-20, 18:39
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 19:31
- Whoa there -
Harmanimus,
2019-12-20, 19:57
- Whoa there - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-12-20, 20:40
- Whoa there -
Harmanimus,
2019-12-20, 19:57
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 19:31
- Whoa there -
Harmanimus,
2019-12-20, 18:39
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 17:11
- Whoa there -
Harmanimus,
2019-12-20, 16:03
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 12:31
- Whoa there -
cheapLEY,
2019-12-20, 12:22
- Whoa there -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-20, 10:01
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 10:15
- Whoa there -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-20, 10:59
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 11:25
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MacAddictXIV,
2019-12-20, 11:32
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 11:40
- Whoa there -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-12-20, 12:01
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 12:17
- Whoa there -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-12-20, 12:31
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 12:48
- Whoa there -
Malagate,
2019-12-20, 12:58
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 13:00
- Whoa there -
Malagate,
2019-12-20, 13:12
- Whoa there - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-12-20, 13:16
- Whoa there -
Malagate,
2019-12-20, 13:12
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 13:00
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Malagate,
2019-12-20, 12:58
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 12:48
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MacAddictXIV,
2019-12-20, 12:31
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 12:17
- Whoa there -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-12-20, 12:01
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 11:40
- Whoa there -
Harmanimus,
2019-12-20, 16:00
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 16:50
- Whoa there -
Harmanimus,
2019-12-20, 18:45
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 19:33
- Whoa there -
Claude Errera,
2019-12-20, 19:36
- Whoa there - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-12-20, 19:40
- Whoa there -
Claude Errera,
2019-12-20, 19:36
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 19:33
- Whoa there -
Harmanimus,
2019-12-20, 18:45
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 16:50
- Whoa there -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-12-20, 11:32
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 11:25
- Whoa there -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-20, 10:59
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 10:15
- Whoa there -
cheapLEY,
2019-12-20, 08:10
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 07:55
- Whoa there -
Korny,
2019-12-19, 23:37
- I don't believe anyone's irredeemable. -
breitzen,
2019-12-20, 06:29
- I don't believe anyone's irredeemable. -
Korny,
2019-12-20, 09:29
- I don't believe anyone's irredeemable. -
Kermit,
2019-12-20, 10:13
- I don't believe anyone's irredeemable. - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-12-20, 11:28
- I don't believe anyone's irredeemable. -
Korny,
2019-12-20, 13:21
- I don't believe anyone's irredeemable. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 13:23
- I don't believe anyone's irredeemable. -
Korny,
2019-12-20, 13:39
- I don't believe anyone's irredeemable. - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-12-20, 13:47
- I don't believe anyone's irredeemable. -
Korny,
2019-12-20, 13:39
- Dude -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-20, 15:10
- Dude - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-12-20, 15:28
- I don't believe anyone's irredeemable. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 13:23
- I don't believe anyone's irredeemable. -
Kermit,
2019-12-20, 10:13
- I don't believe anyone's irredeemable. -
Korny,
2019-12-20, 09:29
- Whoa there - Kermit, 2019-12-20, 15:10
- a do-over -
Kermit,
2019-12-22, 16:30
- A Public Note. - INSANEdrive, 2019-12-22, 18:43
- Whoa there -
Claude Errera,
2019-12-19, 23:26
- Kermit... just want you to know that I support you. -
Ragashingo,
2019-12-19, 23:13
- +1 - Korny, 2019-12-19, 23:19
- I’ll second that - CruelLEGACEY, 2019-12-20, 15:01
- Whoa there -
Korny,
2019-12-19, 22:39
- Whoa there -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-19, 17:12
- Whoa there -
cheapLEY,
2019-12-19, 15:28
- Whoa there - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-12-19, 15:29
- Whoa there -
Kermit,
2019-12-19, 15:23
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-19, 13:50
- Whoa there -
cheapLEY,
2019-12-19, 14:11
- This, so much. -
Harmanimus,
2019-12-19, 15:06
- This, so much. -
Kermit,
2019-12-19, 15:33
- This, so much. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-19, 15:35
- This, so much. -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-19, 15:37
- no u - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-12-19, 15:38
- lol -
Kermit,
2019-12-19, 15:42
- lol - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-12-19, 15:48
- Semiotically speaking . . . - Harmanimus, 2019-12-19, 19:35
- This, so much. -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-19, 15:37
- This, so much. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-19, 15:35
- This, so much. -
Kermit,
2019-12-19, 15:33
- Whoa there - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-12-19, 15:19
- Whoa there -
Kermit,
2019-12-19, 15:37
- Whoa there -
Harmanimus,
2019-12-19, 19:38
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 07:58
- Whoa there -
Harmanimus,
2019-12-20, 15:31
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 15:32
- Whoa there -
Harmanimus,
2019-12-20, 15:39
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 15:47
- Whoa there -
Harmanimus,
2019-12-20, 16:07
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 16:51
- Whoa there - Harmanimus, 2019-12-20, 18:32
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 16:51
- Whoa there -
cheapLEY,
2019-12-20, 16:11
- Whoa there - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-12-20, 16:54
- that made me guffaw -
kidtsunami,
2019-12-20, 16:36
- Do better than that. If you can. - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-12-20, 16:51
- Whoa there -
Harmanimus,
2019-12-20, 16:07
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 15:47
- Whoa there -
Harmanimus,
2019-12-20, 15:39
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 15:32
- Whoa there -
Harmanimus,
2019-12-20, 15:31
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 07:58
- Whoa there -
Harmanimus,
2019-12-19, 19:38
- This, so much. -
Harmanimus,
2019-12-19, 15:06
- Whoa there -
cheapLEY,
2019-12-19, 14:11
- Whoa there -
Kermit,
2019-12-19, 12:49
- Whoa there -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-19, 08:22
- Whoa there -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 14:38
- Whoa there -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 13:10
- Disney finally killed it -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 11:56
- Disney finally killed it -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 08:41
- No matter what happens... -
squidnh3,
2019-12-18, 09:06
- Haha yeah - kidtsunami, 2019-12-18, 09:11
- Mando tie-in -
ManKitten,
2019-12-18, 09:33
- Spoiler prediction. - INSANEdrive, 2019-12-18, 09:58
- One Caveat - squidnh3, 2019-12-18, 09:40
- DBO: classy as always - yakaman, 2019-12-18, 11:53
- Should've got those nice Russo boys to do it. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-18, 12:01
- +1 -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-18, 12:17
- +1 - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-12-18, 12:23
- +1 - Cody Miller, 2019-12-18, 12:25
- +1 -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-18, 12:17
- Silver Lining (CATS Reviews) -
INSANEdrive,
2019-12-18, 21:08
- LOL - CruelLEGACEY, 2019-12-19, 07:16
- I worked on both -
someotherguy,
2019-12-20, 03:08
- I can't wait to see Cats! lol - breitzen, 2019-12-20, 06:30
- Silver Lining (CATS Reviews) - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-12-20, 09:08
- I liked it. Good SW movie. -
ZackDark,
2019-12-19, 05:27
- Glad to hear it :) - CruelLEGACEY, 2019-12-19, 07:16
- +1 - Kermit, 2019-12-19, 13:01
- Should have had Abrams do the first 2, then RJ do 3rd movie -
Spec ops Grunt,
2019-12-21, 04:43
- +1 - INSANEdrive, 2019-12-21, 08:27
- Disney finally killed it -
Korny,
2019-12-18, 08:17