Whoa there (Off-Topic)
by MacAddictXIV 
, Seattle WA, Friday, December 20, 2019, 11:32 (1800 days ago) @ SonofMacPhisto
Without the state there are no laws.
True.
There are no rules.
False.
There are no ethics.
False.
The society that you live in free from the hardships and indifference of nature is only possible by such means. To declare it immoral is to embrace the amorality and suffering of nature. Which, under social contract theory you can choose to do. The fact that nobody today would ever chose to leave the contract is a testament to the value the state provides.
My position does not lead to what you describe here but seeks to imagine a social contract free of hierarchy and all the suffering it creates. The state is not the only reasonable option. Never has been.
So what are we talking about here? Do you just don't want to get into your ideal society because it would be a long discussion? I know it's easier to say what you find wrong in someone else's argument than telling your entire side of things but all I'm seeing so far is "that's wrong and I disagree"
Are you for social shaming? Outcasting by societal vote? Who determines what is good? What is bad? Social majority? Who enforces punishment if someone breaks what society thinks is right? Do you even punish them?
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Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 07:52
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Korny,
2019-12-18, 08:17
- Screenplay. -
INSANEdrive,
2019-12-18, 10:15
- Do not open my (this) post if you want to avoid spoilers - Cody Miller, 2019-12-18, 10:59
- Disney finally killed it -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-18, 10:18
- Disney finally killed it -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 10:52
- Disney finally killed it -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-18, 11:59
- Disney finally killed it -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 12:15
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CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-18, 12:47
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Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 12:58
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CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-18, 14:33
- Disney finally killed it - Harmanimus, 2019-12-18, 16:24
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CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-18, 14:33
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2019-12-18, 13:10
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2019-12-18, 14:41
- Disney finally killed it -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 14:45
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kidtsunami,
2019-12-18, 14:47
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CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-18, 15:11
- And 2015 and 2017 were really different years to release in.
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Harmanimus,
2019-12-18, 16:32
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cheapLEY,
2019-12-18, 17:42
- Disney finally killed it - CruelLEGACEY, 2019-12-18, 19:41
- Disney finally killed it - EffortlessFury, 2019-12-18, 22:06
- Disney finally killed it - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-12-19, 14:00
- And 2015 and 2017 were really different years to release in.
- Disney finally killed it -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-18, 15:11
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2019-12-18, 14:47
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Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 14:45
- Disney finally killed it -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-18, 14:41
- Disney finally killed it -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 12:58
- Disney finally killed it -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-18, 12:47
- Disney finally killed it -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 12:15
- Disney finally killed it -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-18, 11:59
- Disney finally killed it - Ragashingo, 2019-12-18, 11:22
- Disney finally killed it -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 10:52
- Screenplay. -
INSANEdrive,
2019-12-18, 10:15
- Disney finally killed it -
ManKitten,
2019-12-18, 08:27
- Disney finally killed it -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 08:41
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- Disney finally killed it -
kidtsunami,
2019-12-18, 08:43
- Disney finally killed it -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 08:52
- Disney finally killed it -
ManKitten,
2019-12-18, 09:31
- Disney finally killed it - Cody Miller, 2019-12-18, 10:17
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- Disney finally killed it -
ManKitten,
2019-12-18, 09:31
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- Disney finally killed it -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 08:52
- Disney finally killed it -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-18, 11:49
- Disney finally killed it -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 11:56
- Disney finally killed it -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-18, 12:11
- Disney finally killed it - ManKitten, 2019-12-18, 12:29
- Disney finally killed it -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-18, 12:11
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2019-12-18, 12:45
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Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 13:10
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2019-12-18, 13:14
- It's an incredibly strained word
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CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-18, 14:20
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2019-12-18, 14:38
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2019-12-19, 08:06
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2019-12-19, 08:22
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2019-12-19, 12:49
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2019-12-19, 14:16
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2019-12-19, 15:23
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2019-12-19, 15:28
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2019-12-19, 15:31
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2019-12-19, 19:28
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2019-12-19, 20:34
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2019-12-19, 20:34
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Harmanimus,
2019-12-19, 19:28
- Wow. -
Ragashingo,
2019-12-19, 15:57
- "Paradox of Tolerance" -
EffortlessFury,
2019-12-19, 17:57
- "Paradox of Tolerance" -
Ragashingo,
2019-12-19, 22:01
- "Paradox of Tolerance" -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 08:00
- "Paradox of Tolerance" -
kidtsunami,
2019-12-20, 08:19
- "Paradox of Tolerance" - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-12-20, 08:28
- "Paradox of Tolerance" -
kidtsunami,
2019-12-20, 08:19
- "Paradox of Tolerance" -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 08:00
- "Paradox of Tolerance" -
Ragashingo,
2019-12-19, 22:01
- Wow. -
cheapLEY,
2019-12-20, 06:18
- Wow. - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-12-20, 07:51
- "Paradox of Tolerance" -
EffortlessFury,
2019-12-19, 17:57
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2019-12-19, 15:31
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2019-12-19, 17:06
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2019-12-19, 17:12
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2019-12-19, 17:20
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2019-12-19, 20:04
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2019-12-19, 17:20
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2019-12-19, 17:42
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2019-12-19, 22:39
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2019-12-19, 23:26
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2019-12-19, 23:37
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2019-12-20, 07:55
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2019-12-20, 08:10
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2019-12-20, 10:07
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2019-12-20, 12:22
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2019-12-20, 12:31
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2019-12-20, 16:03
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2019-12-20, 18:39
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2019-12-20, 19:31
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2019-12-20, 19:57
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2019-12-20, 19:57
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2019-12-20, 19:31
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2019-12-20, 18:39
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2019-12-20, 17:11
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2019-12-20, 16:03
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2019-12-20, 12:31
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2019-12-20, 12:22
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2019-12-20, 10:01
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2019-12-20, 10:15
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2019-12-20, 10:59
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SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 11:25
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MacAddictXIV,
2019-12-20, 11:32
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SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 11:40
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MacAddictXIV,
2019-12-20, 12:01
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SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 12:17
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MacAddictXIV,
2019-12-20, 12:31
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SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 12:48
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2019-12-20, 12:58
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SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 13:00
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2019-12-20, 13:12
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2019-12-20, 13:12
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SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 13:00
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2019-12-20, 12:58
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2019-12-20, 12:48
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2019-12-20, 12:31
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2019-12-20, 12:17
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MacAddictXIV,
2019-12-20, 12:01
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SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 11:40
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Harmanimus,
2019-12-20, 16:00
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SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 16:50
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2019-12-20, 18:45
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SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 19:33
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2019-12-20, 19:36
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2019-12-20, 19:36
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2019-12-20, 19:33
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2019-12-20, 18:45
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SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 16:50
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2019-12-20, 11:32
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2019-12-20, 11:25
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2019-12-20, 10:59
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SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 10:15
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2019-12-20, 08:10
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SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 07:55
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Korny,
2019-12-19, 23:37
- I don't believe anyone's irredeemable. -
breitzen,
2019-12-20, 06:29
- I don't believe anyone's irredeemable. -
Korny,
2019-12-20, 09:29
- I don't believe anyone's irredeemable. -
Kermit,
2019-12-20, 10:13
- I don't believe anyone's irredeemable. - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-12-20, 11:28
- I don't believe anyone's irredeemable. -
Korny,
2019-12-20, 13:21
- I don't believe anyone's irredeemable. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 13:23
- I don't believe anyone's irredeemable. -
Korny,
2019-12-20, 13:39
- I don't believe anyone's irredeemable. - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-12-20, 13:47
- I don't believe anyone's irredeemable. -
Korny,
2019-12-20, 13:39
- Dude -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-20, 15:10
- Dude - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-12-20, 15:28
- I don't believe anyone's irredeemable. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 13:23
- I don't believe anyone's irredeemable. -
Kermit,
2019-12-20, 10:13
- I don't believe anyone's irredeemable. -
Korny,
2019-12-20, 09:29
- Whoa there - Kermit, 2019-12-20, 15:10
- a do-over -
Kermit,
2019-12-22, 16:30
- A Public Note. - INSANEdrive, 2019-12-22, 18:43
- Whoa there -
Claude Errera,
2019-12-19, 23:26
- Kermit... just want you to know that I support you. -
Ragashingo,
2019-12-19, 23:13
- +1 - Korny, 2019-12-19, 23:19
- I’ll second that -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-20, 15:01
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Korny,
2019-12-19, 22:39
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Cody Miller,
2019-12-19, 17:12
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cheapLEY,
2019-12-19, 15:28
- Whoa there - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-12-19, 15:29
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Kermit,
2019-12-19, 15:23
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SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-19, 13:50
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cheapLEY,
2019-12-19, 14:11
- This, so much. -
Harmanimus,
2019-12-19, 15:06
- This, so much. -
Kermit,
2019-12-19, 15:33
- This, so much. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-19, 15:35
- This, so much. -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-19, 15:37
- no u -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-19, 15:38
- lol -
Kermit,
2019-12-19, 15:42
- lol - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-12-19, 15:48
- Semiotically speaking . . . -
Harmanimus,
2019-12-19, 19:35
- no u
- This, so much. -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-19, 15:37
- This, so much. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-19, 15:35
- This, so much. -
Kermit,
2019-12-19, 15:33
- Whoa there - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-12-19, 15:19
- Whoa there -
Kermit,
2019-12-19, 15:37
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Harmanimus,
2019-12-19, 19:38
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SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 07:58
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Harmanimus,
2019-12-20, 15:31
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SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 15:32
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Harmanimus,
2019-12-20, 15:39
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SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 15:47
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Harmanimus,
2019-12-20, 16:07
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SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 16:51
- Whoa there - Harmanimus, 2019-12-20, 18:32
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 16:51
- Whoa there -
cheapLEY,
2019-12-20, 16:11
- Whoa there - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-12-20, 16:54
- that made me guffaw -
kidtsunami,
2019-12-20, 16:36
- Do better than that. If you can. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 16:51
- Do better than that. If you can.
- Whoa there -
Harmanimus,
2019-12-20, 16:07
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 15:47
- Whoa there -
Harmanimus,
2019-12-20, 15:39
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 15:32
- Whoa there -
Harmanimus,
2019-12-20, 15:31
- Whoa there -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-20, 07:58
- Whoa there -
Harmanimus,
2019-12-19, 19:38
- This, so much. -
Harmanimus,
2019-12-19, 15:06
- Whoa there -
cheapLEY,
2019-12-19, 14:11
- Whoa there -
Kermit,
2019-12-19, 12:49
- Whoa there -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-19, 08:22
- Whoa there -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 14:38
- Whoa there -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 13:10
- Disney finally killed it -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 11:56
- Disney finally killed it -
Cody Miller,
2019-12-18, 08:41
- No matter what happens... -
squidnh3,
2019-12-18, 09:06
- Haha yeah - kidtsunami, 2019-12-18, 09:11
- Mando tie-in -
ManKitten,
2019-12-18, 09:33
- Spoiler prediction. - INSANEdrive, 2019-12-18, 09:58
- One Caveat - squidnh3, 2019-12-18, 09:40
- DBO: classy as always - yakaman, 2019-12-18, 11:53
- Should've got those nice Russo boys to do it. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-12-18, 12:01
- +1 -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-18, 12:17
- +1 - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-12-18, 12:23
- +1 - Cody Miller, 2019-12-18, 12:25
- +1 -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-18, 12:17
- Silver Lining (CATS Reviews) -
INSANEdrive,
2019-12-18, 21:08
- LOL - CruelLEGACEY, 2019-12-19, 07:16
- I worked on both -
someotherguy,
2019-12-20, 03:08
- I can't wait to see Cats! lol -
breitzen,
2019-12-20, 06:30
- I can't wait to see Cats! lol
- Silver Lining (CATS Reviews) - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-12-20, 09:08
- I liked it. Good SW movie. -
ZackDark,
2019-12-19, 05:27
- Glad to hear it :) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-12-19, 07:16
- +1 -
Kermit,
2019-12-19, 13:01
- Glad to hear it :)
- Should have had Abrams do the first 2, then RJ do 3rd movie -
Spec ops Grunt,
2019-12-21, 04:43
- +1 -
INSANEdrive,
2019-12-21, 08:27
- +1
- Disney finally killed it -
Korny,
2019-12-18, 08:17